Cheap liquids are not worth it

[nyiddle]

Sorry, should have added YMMV. I was only using them as an example, my point being that some juice tastes better in a clearo at 2.0ohms, and some tastes better at .4ohm in a dripper, there are a lot of variables.

Again, gotta disagree. I've never tasted something in a clearo or tank that then tasted worse in a dripper. If it tastes bad in a dripper, putting it in a tank isn't going to improve the flavor.

I suppose that might happen with juices that are designed for a clearo (and as a result are extra flavorful/sweet/sour), but in that case we're talking about compensation for the device that it's going to be used on. The juice isn't naturally better or worse in one device or another on its own, it's just designed to be better in one than the other. (ie: PG versions of juices for tanks, VG versions of juice for RDA's).

 

[crxess]

Taste is SUBJECTIVE.

Op being Bent hardly means no vender can offer an inexpensive e-liquid with decent flavor.

Actually after going DIY, I wonder why so many Venders think they are being fair charging 4-10x the cost of an e-liquid based on their Name alone.
I make a Strawberry Vanilla Ice Cream for next to nothing - under $1 for 30ml. Would not swap it for any Venders mix at any price.

 

[Lessifer]

Again, gotta disagree. I've never tasted something in a clearo or tank that then tasted worse in a dripper. If it tastes bad in a dripper, putting it in a tank isn't going to improve the flavor.

I suppose that might happen with juices that are designed for a clearo (and as a result are extra flavorful/sweet/sour), but in that case we're talking about compensation for the device that it's going to be used on. The juice isn't naturally better or worse in one device or another on its own, it's just designed to be better in one than the other. (ie: PG versions of juices for tanks, VG versions of juice for RDA's).

Specifically The Standard's Dead Man's Party comes to mind. It's a very subtle blueberry lemonade. And it's not necessarily the clearo/dripper that makes the difference, it's the wattage applied. Anything over 8w(to me) makes the juice taste bland, but with the lower heat you can taste all of the notes.

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

I make a Strawberry Vanilla Ice Cream

Oh that sounds good ... PM me your recipe? puhlez?

 

[nyiddle]

Specifically The Standard's Dead Man's Party comes to mind. It's a very subtle blueberry lemonade. And it's not necessarily the clearo/dripper that makes the difference, it's the wattage applied. Anything over 8w(to me) makes the juice taste bland, but with the lower heat you can taste all of the notes.

I've tried that juice and I quite enjoyed it at higher wattages. No more or less than I enjoyed it in my (back then) Protank.. Well, slightly more, because the ProTank (in retrospect) was trash lol.

Not arguing whether a flavor is good or bad, just that I don't see how higher wattage (assumign you're not burning your juice) can mean less flavor.

 

[vapero]

this is all wrong...
I get that there are a few restaurants that much expensive food, they use better ingredients, have more staff, pay a premium for location etc etc...

now regarding juice as said above the raw ingredients from the cheap juices to the expensive are more or less the same, so the difference in price is just diference in profit.

that said I've tried some really cheap juices and some really expensive ones and as much as I would like to say that you get the same random numbers on good or bad juices regardless of the price I (for me) have had much better luck with cheap ones.

now I've been DIYing for the last year and I can say that my juices are much much better than those "boutique" ones.

I would take a hangsen over five pawns every day

 

[SteamHead]

Nice troll thread. This is like saying an authentic mod/atty is worth the 500% premium over a well built clone.




I've vaped premium for years. My favorite flavor is $27.99 per 120mls.

 

[Zanaspus]

this is all wrong...
I get that there are a few restaurants that much expensive food, they use better ingredients, have more staff, pay a premium for location etc etc...

now regarding juice as said above the raw ingredients from the cheap juices to the expensive are more or less the same, so the difference in price is just diference in profit.

that said I've tried some really cheap juices and some really expensive ones and as much as I would like to say that you get the same random numbers on good or bad juices regardless of the price I (for me) have had much better luck with cheap ones.

now I've been DIYing for the last year and I can say that my juices are much much better than those "boutique" ones.

I would take a hangsen over five pawns every day

This is not quite right. Everyone is calculating the cost of physical ingredients as total economic cost. What about Entrepreneurtia, physical location, staff, overhead, etc. These are all real economic costs. The specific one to concentrate on is entrepreneurtia. Sure, 2 places might make a strawberry lemon vape and charge wildly different prices, but stop and consider what went into those juices. Remeber, for a business owner, mixing up flavors isn't a hobby, but rather a job. Now, shop 1 takes 50% strawberry flavoring and 50% lemon flavoring added to their base, slaps a label on it, and it's ready to go. Entrepreneur A has just spent 20 minutes of his time in production.

Company 2 has a taste stickler for an owner. he tries various ratios, various adjunct flavorings, various steeps until he has produced Bob's magical Strawberry Lemonade. Bob has spent 2 weeks of his life on this (remember this is Bob's enterprise). He doesn't have another job, he rents his mixing building as he wants a truly sanitary lab, among other costs that I won't go into. Now, should entrepreneur A's or B's juice be more expensive?

This plays to the OP. Many cheap juices are cheap simply because they have Ent. A. Many expensive juices are expensive because they have Ent B. Are there pretenders in the boutique juice market? Of course there are, but many more expensive juices have person B at the helm, and that is who's juice I want to vape.

 

[Davey59]

A lot of assuming going on here.

I assume we all know that anybody making and selling juice is not doing it out of the kindness of their heart.

We will also not assume (some of us anyway) that if they don't charge an arm and a leg for their product that they are somehow not paying rent and must be working in vial conditions (pun gleefully left in) and all slap happy and none caring with the mix.

Hey I am all for making money and if they can develop a clientele that is willing to pay, more power to em. Not going to be me though.

 

[Dunkel]

I like how 2 people who joined this year have accused me of trolling! Seriously? Yeah I've been a member since 2010 & I decided to wait 4 years to make a troll thread?

All I am trying to say is for the most part IMO cheap liquids have been a let down. When I say pay a little more I don't mean $20 or more for a 30ml bottle either. For example I ordered 4 flavors from Bryce's Blends (and got 1 free) a week or so ago. I tried 4 out of 5 when I first got them & they were all very good to great. At $14.99 for 30ml I consider that reasonably priced but not cheap. The 1 flavor I didn't try fresh was the Vanilla Creme Custard. I have a bottle of VCC with 8 months of steep time that is absolutely sublime. So good I have it as a treat not an ADV. I'm sure that by the time I finish the steeped bottle the new one will be ready to go.

About the term "fanboy", I use that about threads not individual comments. Everyone has a flavor they really love & want everyone to know it, but when a thread is 100 or more pages & it's the same 5 people posting in it singing the praises of every single flavor a company makes, that is a fanboy thread. Maybe my tastes are different than others, but I have never found a company that has had even 33% of the flavors that I ordered be worth a reorder. Bryce's is the exception to that rule.

 

[Avid]

Breathe....

 

[Avid]

Yeah I've been a member since 2010 & I decided to wait 4 years to make a troll thread?

What took you so long?

 

[Spooky Mulder]

I like how 2 people who joined this year have accused me of trolling! Seriously? Yeah I've been a member since 2010 & I decided to wait 4 years to make a troll thread?

All I am trying to say is for the most part IMO cheap liquids have been a let down. When I say pay a little more I don't mean $20 or more for a 30ml bottle either. For example I ordered 4 flavors from Bryce's Blends (and got 1 free) a week or so ago. I tried 4 out of 5 when I first got them & they were all very good to great. At $14.99 for 30ml I consider that reasonably priced but not cheap. The 1 flavor I didn't try fresh was the Vanilla Creme Custard. I have a bottle of VCC with 8 months of steep time that is absolutely sublime. So good I have it as a treat not an ADV. I'm sure that by the time I finish the steeped bottle the new one will be ready to go.

About the term "fanboy", I use that about threads not individual comments. Everyone has a flavor they really love & want everyone to know it, but when a thread is 100 or more pages & it's the same 5 people posting in it singing the praises of every single flavor a company makes, that is a fanboy thread. Maybe my tastes are different than others, but I have never found a company that has had even 33% of the flavors that I ordered be worth a reorder. Bryce's is the exception to that rule.

Yes, your original post sounds a bit troll like including the title of your post. The same flavor you hate from a "cheap" vendor may be an ADV to someone else. I'm glad I found the ITC thread. I may have never known about them otherwise. I'm not a "fanboy" and I don't think the ITC thread is a "fanboy" thread. I don't like every flavor I've tried from them. But I have found ones that are excellent and especially for the price. And if people want to vape and like a cheap e-liquid how does that hurt you?
Actually don't bother answering, I have better things to focus my time on.

 

[firephly]

I remember when killer juice was all hyped by so many "it's great, and so cheap!". It's cheap, but not that great IMO, not even good.

ITC vapes, better than killer, but not that great either, ok for the price I guess. same with bionic.

There are a couple flavors of sir tasty vape that I love or like, Cubana Joy (love) & shire sauce (like), it's cheap (he runs frequent sales) and good but not everything there was impressive to me.

Vapor Trails NW has inexpensive juice and some of theirs are really good too (1992 is a really nice strawberry nesquick).

Whit E Octopus makes really nice juice for a reasonable price, so does Coval, although both are kinda mildish

I've had a lot of high end juice that was really mild in flavor or just boring so I just couldn't enjoy it either.

with that said, there are some expensive juices (5 pawns castle long reserve for example) that are very unique and not easy to replicate-I know there's a recipe out there but everyone says it's "close" to the real thing, and there are a few out there that are worth it, to me anyway, sometimes it takes a really special juice to quell my cig cravings, other times it doesn't matter that much. Sometimes you have to pay more for something with that satisfying depth and complexity. I think it's hard to find a really complex flavor in a bargain juice (but not all high end brands do that well either)

cheap or expensive, when i hear something's good i take it for what it is, subjective opinion, just like my opinions, you never know if what you like is what anyone else will like

 

[Nana Gail]

Why should it bother you what other people review as being GREAT juice. Has it ever occured to you they might truely love what they post on? If I find something special in a juice, esp if it's cost effective and I think others might love it as much as I do, I will definately share the imformation! If I get exceptional customer service from a vendor and the juice is something that tingles my tastebuds I will share what I've found. The same goes for something I order that didn't quite make the grade. The derogative of calling these folks "Fan Boys" is uncalled for. People like what people like! I for one read the description of the flavor and appreciate someone who can give me information on any juice Cheap or Expensive, and they don't have to be You Tube reviews. If you don't like reading other peoples reviews of specific Vendors juices skip that thread.

 

[TripleTriple]

Ive been a steady user of a popular tobacco flavor from flavorcrafters, today I picked up 3 10ml bottles and they do not taste anything like what I normally get. The vendor I buy from has a good rep, so I know there is no fuggery with the juice, yet I am not happy and its expensive premium juice. On a positive note, the overwhelming taste in this batch was the missing flavor they add to their juice lol. I could taste the obvious tones to this particular juice but could never put my finger on the last one, now I have it! Off to DIY my own... Damn premium juices!

 

[firephly]

Why should it bother you what other people review as being GREAT juice. Has it ever occured to you they might truely love what they post on? If I find something special in a juice, esp if it's cost effective and I think others might love it as much as I do, I will definately share the imformation! If I get exceptional customer service from a vendor and the juice is something that tingles my tastebuds I will share what I've found. The same goes for something I order that didn't quite make the grade. The derogative of calling these folks "Fan Boys" is uncalled for. People like what people like! I for one read the description of the flavor and appreciate someone who can give me information on any juice Cheap or Expensive, and they don't have to be You Tube reviews. If you don't like reading other peoples reviews of specific Vendors juices skip that thread.

I don't think he made the post because it "bothers him" what people like. I think it was more of a public service announcement so that new unsuspecting vapors might use caution when hearing a lot of hype about some really cheap juice, so that they don't go and place a big order.

I know everyone has a cheap go to flavor, as do I, but IMO buying cheap liquid isn't worth it. You've seen the threads here "blah blah's strawberry whipple dipple is the bestest flavor eva and it's only $20 for 120ml!" I'll tell you now it is most likely crap. If you see a thread touting a brand basically no one has heard of & people are acting like it's super amazing, proceed with caution. I have vaped alot of brands including the bargain basement price really a premium product, and the lite that keeps away the boogie man brands. IMO they are crap. I have found 1 flavor & 1 flavor only under 45 cents a ml when bought by the 30ml bottle that I will reorder. Vape what you like, like what you vape, but beware of fanboy threads. Don't waste your money on 6 flavors to find 1 that's decent. It's better to just shell out a little extra & get something worth a damn.

I'd have to say I agree.

 

[Lynn Miller]

Just because something costs more doesn't mean that I will like it. So if I shell out the extra money for some "good" juice and I don't like it then I have still wasted my money.

To me this is a journey, I've had great juices and bad and several that are okay. I haven't wasted a penny because I have enjoyed it and learned something along the way. I enjoy trying new juices and I KNOW I won't like all of them but you have to take some chances don't you?

 

[firephly]

Just because something costs more doesn't mean that I will like it. So if I shell out the extra money for some "good" juice and I don't like it then I have still wasted my money.

To me this is a journey, I've had great juices and bad and several that are okay. I haven't wasted a penny because I have enjoyed it and learned something along the way. I enjoy trying new juices and I KNOW I won't like all of them but you have to take some chances don't you?

it's about as subjective as perfume, really.

 

[Traijan]

Is all completely subjective when it comes to this.

I finally got around to trying a very well known brand (which is also now quite controversial) and. .... absolutely thought it one of the most bland tasting liquids I've ever tasted. And yet I've picked up some gas station liquids in the past for cheap that were pretty darn tasty