Cheerios a drug (FDA ridiculousness)

[kalojado]

I read this a month or two ago and was thinking about it today and how ridiculous it is and how the FDA are really going insane. Nothing to do with E-cigs, but FDA ridiculousness, none the less.

Cheerios a "Drug," Says the FDA

This is a true story and I thought it would be interesting for those that haven't heard about it yet, and wondering if companies stopped claiming it will help you quit smoking and how much better it is for you than analogs, would the FDA have any reason to go after them? Or is it solely the fact that they contain nicotine?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I read this a month or two ago and was thinking about it today and how ridiculous it is and how the FDA are really going insane. Nothing to do with E-cigs, but FDA ridiculousness, none the less.

Cheerios a "Drug," Says the FDA

This is a true story and I thought it would be interesting for those that haven't heard about it yet...

Kalojado--when you make a health claim, you subject yourself to the FDA --no matter how ridculous that may sound, it really is not. We no longer live in the age of "snake oil" scams. If you are going to make a health claim, you need the documentation to back it up. Otherwise, like Cheerios, it is going to be constuded as misrepresentative marketing---IE--profiting off of health claims that simply do not hold water.


Sun

 

[nocomply]

Since it is now a drug, Cheerios may not be legally marketed by General Mills unless the company applies for new drug approval or changes the way it labels the product.

I find ^^^^ that interesting that in, if the FDA says e-cigs are a drug, couldn't they just do like General Mills and change the way it lables the boxes/juice whatever, and get away with it?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Since it is now a drug, Cheerios may not be legally marketed by General Mills unless the company applies for new drug approval or changes the way it labels the product.

I find ^^^^ that interesting that in, if the FDA says e-cigs are a drug, couldn't they just do like General Mills and change the way it lables the boxes/juice whatever, and get away with it?

NoComply--Health claims are not the only thing that trigger FDA jurisdiction. Cheerios is a food approved by the FDA and its intended purpose is to eat as a food. The e-cig's intented purpose is yet to be defined by the Court, but will be shortly.


Sun

 

[grimmer255]

i have to agree with sun vapor. If you look at history at a glance you will see so many companies making health claims. even stay home moms were to believe that the medicine they were taking for depression was helping them. But instead it was a form of opium or concentrated alcohol of course which lead to addiction and other problems....... this was years ago. This is one of the reasons why the FDA was put in place in the first place....to prevent the above.

is the FDA really doing there job is another story all together.

 

[kalojado]

Since it is now a drug, Cheerios may not be legally marketed by General Mills unless the company applies for new drug approval or changes the way it labels the product.

I find ^^^^ that interesting that in, if the FDA says e-cigs are a drug, couldn't they just do like General Mills and change the way it lables the boxes/juice whatever, and get away with it?

This is exactly what I was thinking...

 

[trog100]

when you hand over the power to something like the FDA to totally control what you can and cant buy you have a totalitarian big brother state..

you lot seem to have done this.. bring back "choice".. the odd snake oil salesman is a way better option than total control by big brother..

and if you US dudes cant see this you have lost the plot and are beyond help..

trog

 

[keyzygirl]

Now tell us how to fix it.

 

[Scaralouche]

when you hand over the power to something like the FDA to totally control what you can and cant buy you have a totalitarian big brother state..

you lot seem to have done this.. bring back "choice".. the odd snake oil salesman is a way better option than total control by big brother..

and if you US dudes cant see this you have lost the plot and are beyond help..

trog

and when a brit says that, coming from the land of surveillance cameras, speed governors on cars, road congestion charges, socialized health care, outlawed guns, parliament (say what you want, it is not as true a democracy as ours) and a MONARCHY (albeit an ornamental one at best).....that is saying something.

 

[chris2650]

Sun, I agree, but there is a line into being just plain stupid and IMHO the FDA crossed it here. It CEREAL for Gods sake....

Just my $.02

Chris

 

[trog100]

Now tell us how to fix it.

sadly i think its too f-cking late.. bing aware of whats going might help.. but just toeing the line is probably what will happen..

the main difference between where i live and the US is our big brother has to officially say no else its assumed you can..

you big brother has to officially say yes else its assumed you cant..

a nasty one if its really true.. no drug can be sold without the offical "yes" from your big brother.. made worse by the fact its your big brother thats gets to decide whats a drug and what isnt.. total control over what you can and cannot legally buy or sell being the end result....

our lot would have to pass laws saying no.. your lot seem to have already taken a step beyond this.. laws that if true say you cant buy or sell anything (medicinal or not that they choose to call a drug) without getting their permission in advance..

as i say.... bring back the snake oil man.. at least you had the choice..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

You're wise, Trog, but bringing back the chaos of uncontrolled drug marketing is simply not an intelligent option. Pendulums swing and it's a balance of safety and progress that we need. The FDA needs to strike a position that benefits the afflicted, while assuring a majority are not affected in any way. That can be done with e-smoking. Reasonable regulation can make it so.

This is not about freedom of choice, BTW. Never has been. This is about regulation for the benefit of all. As it's being done, a segment of people -- we who use e-cigs -- are not being benefited by regulation. Yet we could be .. and need to be. The present situation, however, of unregulated, unknown liquid from China is untenable ... and will only lead to a total ban.

 

[Symmetric]

If I'm eating Cheerios with no intention of lowering my already low cholesterol, could that be considered drug abuse? In all seriousness, with this kind of logic, anyone who is claiming that their food is healthier than McDonalds (used to "cure" obesity) could be considered a drug. This is a slippery slope, and I'm kind of wondering what the FDA's end-game is here. We all like to say that they're taking Big Pharma money, but is there any proof of this?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

If I'm eating Cheerios with no intention of lowering my already low cholesterol, could that be considered drug abuse? In all seriousness, with this kind of logic, anyone who is claiming that their food is healthier than McDonalds (used to "cure" obesity) could be considered a drug. This is a slippery slope, and I'm kind of wondering what the FDA's end-game is here. We all like to say that they're taking Big Pharma money, but is there any proof of this?

Symmetric---there is a very bright line rule here. If the food is making a medical claim, it has to either back it up or the FDA will order the marketing of those claims halted. Cheerios is a perfect example of big companies trying to gain market share advantage with bogus claims. Call the FDA what you like, but for the most part, they do their job. No, the system is not perfect and there more then likey is some scams, but on the whole, the FDA works as good as any other govermental agency.

Sun

 

[trog100]

You're wise, Trog, but bringing back the chaos of uncontrolled drug marketing is simply not an intelligent option. Pendulums swing and it's a balance of safety and progress that we need. The FDA needs to strike a position that benefits the afflicted, while assuring a majority are not affected in any way. That can be done with e-smoking. Reasonable regulation can make it so.

This is not about freedom of choice, BTW. Never has been. This is about regulation for the benefit of all. As it's being done, a segment of people -- we who use e-cigs -- are not being benefited by regulation. Yet we could be .. and need to be. The present situation, however, of unregulated, unknown liquid from China is untenable ... and will only lead to a total ban.

firstly bob the snake oil man was not entirely uncontrolled he was probably subject to more sever restrictions than those who are able to pull the strings of the FDA.. he could get tarred and feathered.. run out of town.. shot even in extreme circumstances.. he was not uncontrolled..

secondly it is about choice.. and trust.. and to take the next post into account.. the end game and the hidden agendas that are always at work..

your system of checks and balances has gone wrong bob.. the truth is simply... they will control you to death if you let them and they are not always acting in your own best interests..

big brother really is a control freak.. its partly our fault because we created him and gave him far too much power.. we think his job is to protect and look after us.. it isnt his job is to control us.. the more we enable him to do this the more he will..

Orwell knew what it was about.. he knew where it would all end.. he called it socialism.. you are a so called capitalist country but state control is still state control whatever its called..

orwell had big brothers voice in the market place.. we have one in very room of our houses.. we call it TV...

only joking guys.. or am i... he he he

trog

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

The truth is that there is no system ~ NONE ~ that works. Republics, democracies, theocracies, socialism, monarcies, none of them work as long as there is the sense that there are divisions between the elites and the 'others'.

This will be a very VERY difficult shift in the mind sets of everyone on this planet. The U.S. started off with the best attempt yet. But slowly over the last 200 years we have allowed the 'us against them' agendas to grow and grow. The 'government' has become the elites in America and the rest of the population has become the 'others'.

We, the people, have to stand up and demand congress stop treating us separately. Every single law that passes MUST apply to them as well. No more exempting themselves from everything they apply to us. 'We must all hang together or we will must assuredly hang separately' is no less a truth today than when it was first said during the founding of our country.

Agree or disagree with Trog, but he says what he believes straight up with no BS. I can respect that and deal with that. I can not respect or deal with the 'say one thing and do another' that we get from Washington every single day.

To keep this on the e-cig channel, this is not about non-smokers against smokers against vapors. If we approach this new option of vap'n as another fascinating development in the expansion of the human experience that adds to the fabric of life without taking away from it, then there may be a chance for all sides. If we come at it as a fight that will result in one winner and one loser then that is what we will experience.

 

[rothenbj]

Kalojado--when you make a health claim, you subject yourself to the FDA --no matter how ridculous that may sound, it really is not. We no longer live in the age of "snake oil" scams. If you are going to make a health claim, you need the documentation to back it up. Otherwise, like Cheerios, it is going to be constuded as misrepresentative marketing---IE--profiting off of health claims that simply do not hold water.


Sun

Sun, I have to disagree with you on this one. There are more herbal remedies and cures out there for everything from ED to diabetes. If anything, there appear to be more "snake oil" scams now than I've every seen in my life.

 

[eric]

when you hand over the power to something like the FDA to totally control what you can and cant buy you have a totalitarian big brother state..

you lot seem to have done this.. bring back "choice".. the odd snake oil salesman is a way better option than total control by big brother..

and if you US dudes cant see this you have lost the plot and are beyond help..

trog

Amen, brother. The thing is, though, it seems most Americans have actually grown comfortable with the notion of the government adopting their ability to choose for them. I guess they somehow believe that their right to vote for their Legislators, Executives, and local government officials is what freedom is. They fail to acknowledge the myriad of government departments whose heads/members are in no way chosen by the people, so that the best interest of the people have no effect on the decisions of said-governments departments.

 

[eric]

firstly bob the snake oil man was not entirely uncontrolled he was probably subject to more sever restrictions than those who are able to pull the strings of the FDA.. he could get tarred and feathered.. run out of town.. shot even in extreme circumstances.. he was not uncontrolled..

secondly it is about choice.. and trust.. and to take the next post into account.. the end game and the hidden agendas that are always at work..

your system of checks and balances has gone wrong bob.. the truth is simply... they will control you to death if you let them and they are not always acting in your own best interests..

big brother really is a control freak.. its partly our fault because we created him and gave him far too much power.. we think his job is to protect and look after us.. it isnt his job is to control us.. the more we enable him to do this the more he will..

Orwell knew what it was about.. he knew where it would all end.. he called it socialism.. you are a so called capitalist country but state control is still state control whatever its called..

orwell had big brothers voice in the market place.. we have one in very room of our houses.. we call it TV...

only joking guys.. or am i... he he he

trog

We really need to return to the practice of hosting public hangings for corrupt government officials.

 

[DisMan]

Sun, I agree, but there is a line into being just plain stupid and IMHO the FDA crossed it here. It CEREAL for Gods sake....

Just my $.02

Chris

So, a cereal that claims you will grow a larger penis and marketed to the teenage male population should be acceptable to all of us because it's a cereal?

There is a line that marketers need to learn they do not cross. And the FDA is dead on about raising such concerns with the way Cheerios is being marketed.

I have this grass *picks grass out of front yard* that is known to reduce your cholesterol if combined with a low-calorie, low-fat diet! Want to buy some?! It's only $5.00/blade!

The BS marketing campaigns need to stop...there's a sucker born every minute and there's a company out there looking to capitalize on that fact.