Firm wants e-cigarettes to be considered tobacco, not drug

[yvilla]

Yep, you are right. We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out but just my opinion we'll be stuck in some corner or outside.

That may well come to pass, kardjunkie, at least in some jurisdictions, although I certainly hope not. 8-o

My only point though was that they will have to specifically enact legislation to acccomplish that, like those idiots in Suffolk County are contemplating right now. And that it won't be "automatic" if ecigs happen to get classified as "tobacco products".

 

[yknotagain]

As nicotine can be extracted from sp many plants, no idea why they would want to have it labeled as a tobacco product.

 

[yvilla]

As nicotine can be extracted from sp many plants, no idea why they would want to have it labeled as a tobacco product.

Because that is the only way to avoid FDA jurisdiction over them as "drug devices".

As I posted in the SE vs. FDA thread a while ago (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-daily-docket-sheet-update-3.html#post390161), the new tobacco legislation actually provided SE and NJoy with a very good argument to counter the FDA's position that ecigs should be classed as "drug devices". But if they succeed with this contention, then of course the next question will be how they end up being regulated as "tobacco products".

 

[Superstargoddess]

Because that is the only way to avoid FDA jurisdiction over them as "drug devices".

As I posted in the SE vs. FDA thread a while ago (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-daily-docket-sheet-update-3.html#post390161), the new tobacco legislation actually provided SE and NJoy with a very good argument to counter the FDA's position that ecigs should be classed as "drug devices". But if they succeed with this contention, then of course the next question will be how they end up being regulated as "tobacco products".

Well, if they make these "drug devices" then they have to make patches and the sort the same thing, not sure if they already are or not. But from what I have seen in the media and stuff, those patches can be very dangerous, but then again, everything in this world can be dangerous and potentially kill you.

They are just trying to buy time until they can figure out what to do to get the whole thing under their thumb and make money from it, in my opinion. Look at how much they tax gasoline and analogs, they have soooo much control that it's rediculous.

 

[eric]

If A > B and B > C than A cannot be < C.

The "straws" for coffee are designed as stirrer sticks. Have you ever seen someone drink coffee out of a "coffee straw"? The hollow ones shaped like a figure 8 aren't even wide enough to get liquid through them.

You know, I knew you were going to pull this one, but I convinced myself you wouldn't bother because it'd be unfounded and meaningless. The "straws" for coffee are called "stirrers" not "straws" because their intended use is to "stir." On top of that, I could very well use my PV to stir if I wanted to.

Not to mention the A > B and B > C then A cannot be < C argument doesn't apply here. What I am saying is A=C1 and B=C2, wherein C1 and C2 are separate intended uses, but are, in fact, intended uses much the same, still, all of this in no way suggests A=B. This is like saying Texas has a government, while China has a government, therefore China = Texas.

And what I am saying is that intended use, in terms of ingredients of the function, varies. Therefore the A>B and B>C then A cannot be < C argument is impossible.

 

[kardjunkie]

They are just trying to buy time until they can figure out what to do to get the whole thing under their thumb and make money from it, in my opinion. Look at how much they tax gasoline and analogs, they have soooo much control that it's rediculous.

I agree. They were at one time trying to put a tax on fatting soft drinks because of the health problems it causes on our society. Nice way to help the budget tax everything that is addicting since we are all hooked on it and tax the crap out of it. It's allready happened to cigarettes and oil, yes we are all addicted to it, why not caffeine.

My only point though was that they will have to specifically enact legislation to acccomplish that, like those idiots in Suffolk County are contemplating right now. And that it won't be "automatic" if ecigs happen to get classified as "tobacco products".

I agree and I really hope one day we can vape anywhere and stop anywhere and buy 10 ml of our favorite liquid! I have wrote my Senate Senator and House Representative hand written letters and I can say I really hope other people are too but the FDA really doesn't have to answer to Congress, thanks Nixon!

 

[Superstargoddess]

I agree. They were at one time trying to put a tax on fatting soft drinks because of the health problems it causes on our society. Nice way to help the budget tax everything that is addicting since we are all hooked on it and tax the crap out of it. It's allready happened to cigarettes and oil, yes we are all addicted to it, why not caffeine.



I agree and I really hope one day we can vape anywhere and stop anywhere and buy 10 ml of our favorite liquid! I have wrote my Senate Senator and House Representative hand written letters and I can say I really hope other people are too but the FDA really doesn't have to answer to Congress, thanks Nixon!

Pssh, I drink soft drinks 24/7 and don't drink water, and I'm not fat. If someone is fat, I think that they have more of an issue than just soft drinks. (No offense to the heavier people out there, love you all)