China needs better qc

[HecticEnergy]

It sucks that we have most of our stuff built in China but they don't qc their stuff well.
I know this would increase the cost of manufacturing, but it should drop the overall cost of the product.
If the consumer does the qc (this doesn't work.. Return to retailer!) that increases the price of the overall product. Now the retailer has to jack up the price for the product they paid for, which includes shipment to China..
Sorry, mini rant, but this crap is starting to drive me nuts!

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[crxess]

Sorry, buy you do not understand how the system works.
I do agree product control should be better. however this ultimately would drive prices UP.

Higher end product does go through better Q.C. and special request product may be required to meet specification for acceptance. With low market product, in many cases, everything produced is shipped.
This actually keeps cost lower even with defects.
Dealers sell without inspection and hope the item works out for the customer.
Returned defective goods is normally lower than actual defects, another savings.

Defects are rarely returned to China. Rather they are documented, destroyed or recycled, and replaced free or charge with the next restocking order.

While I do not like or agree with the practice , it does actually drive unit cost and pricing down not up.

 

[VaPreis]

Quality control from China.....Hee hee.

A little Fast Tech story....

Received a Kayfun Lite style atomizer from them after waiting a month for it. It arrived unusable due to an air flow control screw stuck fully in the base and could not be removed leaving it impossible to draw on it.

After a week of back and forth with them (they were always very nice, but correspondence with them takes 24 hours for a reply) they agreed to send a replacment base free of charge to correct my problem.

I waited nearly another month for it.

Got the replacement base the other night, and guess what? The 510 threading was so gunked up it wouldn't thread on to a brand new $250 mod. The original defective base would. I had to take it to work and chase the threads with a die.

I left a poor review of that one. I'm done with fasttech. I can see myself purchasing more Chinese made products, but I'll gladly pay the higher prices of American vendors due to the obvious lack of quality control. I'd rather have an issue resolved in a week than 2 months.

101vape has been great.

 

[keonee]

It's commonly known that China reproduces cheap stuff....that's why the prices are much lower then USA made.

I must say I do like a bargain myself!!!!

 

[Rocketpunk]

Heh! The OP's username is ironic! ;-) I mean that in jest. All keeds, all keeds.

 

[yzer]

I have good luck with Chinese stuff. In two years of vaping I only ran into a couple of things that were DOA or suffered an early failure.

what didn't work:
-Switch modules for E-Power 14650. These were sold as replacement parts. I purchased two for spares and both were defective. I returned them.

what worked:
-E-Power 14650. Used it every day for 18 months. It never broke. I have two more for spares. They test OK and are unused.
-Sigelei Zmax V3 Telescopic. One has been in daily use for 10 months, the other is a spare. No problems with either.
-Smok XL single coil cartos. I use mostly 2.0 ohm. These are listed as plus or minus .2 ohm. I test each before priming and almost always find them plus or minus .1 ohm. I use about one carto a week in tanks. In two and a half years of vaping I found one box of five cartos that were all way off resistance spec and maybe five cartos that didn't last more than a couple of days because they tightened up and wouldn't draw. I use VW so a little variation in resistance doesn't matter anyway.
-Siam Mods V2 carto punching tool. It works.
-Li-ion batteries. I use a lot of cylindrical batteries in different sizes. Never had a defective battery. I have worn them out but all had normal lifespans.
-Battery chargers. I've used Trustfire and Nitecore multi-bank and no-name brand single-cell. All have worked fine.

 

[patkin]

This thread comes at the right or wrong time depending on perspective. I'm still steaming over a recent purchase from an approved vendor I had never previously done business with. I bought an L Rider Corola and tried to research it here and at youtube. Unfortunately I couldn't find much info on it since I spelled it wrong... typed Corolla like the car and when I got one DOA I later found all the button info after spelling correctly. The vendor only offers a store credit for DOA. So, by the time I paid shipping with insurance, since this vendor states they will not help if the package isn't insured, back and forth times 3 it nearly added up to the cost of the mod. Point is this vendor knew very well what the problems with that mod were, only offered replacement or store credit and customer pays shipping X3 to reorder after a DOA. L Rider Corola should say it. I have been buying Joye products pretty exclusively for a year and a half and, thus far, have been very happy with everything I've bought as well as the behavior of vendors carrying those products. I'm just saying the problem is not simply China QC but also vendor behavior. SMOK may not do the right thing on the vendor side and it gets passed on to the customer where Joye might back up their products at the vendor level. I don't know but I'm just saying the problem is not simply China QC but also vendor behavior. I'm not stepping over to any of these big-operation branded vendors unless its Joye. The way they run their businesses is what I consider customer-abuse. There are all kinds of Chinese products on the market outside of vaping and the stores selling those products back them the same as those from any other country. They don't pass "the problem" on to the customer. I, no doubt, wrote a novelette here... partial rant like the OP though mine includes the vendors carrying these products.

 

[HecticEnergy]

True, I seen now how it is cheaper to make a ton, and ship everything, rather than employing whole other department to qa all products. It's probably not cost effective to test the 80% that are good! especially when your targeting a market who puts a higher value on lower cost than product quality.

I disagree that qc is the only reason American products cost more. American products cost more because a livable wage here is MUCH higher than it is in China (cost of goods and service, and they aren't a consumer based society like we are, as I understand).

As far as shipping, I just ment shipping to the reseller.

True, some of it is reseller behavior. But if it didn't leave the factory broken the reseller wouldn't have many broken units sent to clients (some items broken or lost in shipment is inevitable). The manufacture is passing the buck to the reseller.

All this said, it's a good reason to buy from a b&m... They have GREAT customer service... But of course you pay for it!

Thanks for putting up with the rant

 

[Nikkita6]

Maybe if the Chinese were not regarded as nameless, faceless, production units, who exist only to fulfill the needs, and wants of the worlds trade market, and more like living, breathing, worthwhile Human Beings, their quality control would improve ... just a thought.

 

[Kropotkin]

Maybe if the Chinese were not regarded as nameless, faceless, production units, who exist only to fulfill the needs, and wants of the worlds trade market, and more like living, breathing, worthwhile Human Beings, their quality control would improve ... just a thought.

You could say that about all workers everywhere.

When we demand cheaper and cheaper goods, we get more and more dehumanized workers making lower and lower wages. They in turn demand cheaper and cheaper goods, and so on ad infinitum.

"Race to the bottom," and all that.

 

[deanthemachine]

You are right. The world's trade market should ignore China altogether and that would fix everything. The world does not treat the Chinese worker bad, the Chinese government and companies do to undercut the rest of the world's prices and bring in business because everyone wants the lowest prices these days.

 

[BillyWJ]

Maybe if the Chinese were not regarded as nameless, faceless, production units, who exist only to fulfill the needs, and wants of the worlds trade market, and more like living, breathing, worthwhile Human Beings, their quality control would improve ... just a thought.

Let's start with their government, and leaders.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Woh, sorry... Didn't mean to start a war! (trade or weaponized)

I'm not saying it's OK, but with out them, I think we would automate even more than we do now. Those manufacturing jobs disappear, and fewer, but new, more technical jobs for designing and maintaining the automation pop up... That's my view any way!

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[WattWick]

Sort of ironic to blame lack of quality on China when they simply fulfill orders at the quality level paid for by the customer. The problem is not China or the Chinese. They only supply the opportunity to make cheap junk if that's what you want. The problem is not them. It's us. Not literally us... it's "our guys" who order the cheapest level of sellable junk.

 

[serenity21899]

The Chinese make more money this way. We need to keep rebuying the same stuff over and over when there are no America varieties available.

 

[InTheShade]

Sort of ironic to blame lack of quality on China when they simply fulfill orders at the quality level paid for by the customer. The problem is not China or the Chinese. They only supply the opportunity to make cheap junk if that's what you want. The problem is not them. It's us. Not literally us... it's "our guys" who order the cheapest level of sellable junk.

I think this post hits the nail on the head. The buyers buying crap are part of the issue, as are the final consumers like you and I.

We've all become used to heading to Walmart and buying disposable low-quality merchandise with no real thought as to what the true cost is.

Buyers commission production. This is usually based on unit cost and includes specific manufacturing tolerances and final quality specifications. The plants then agree to these terms and manufacture said products and deliver to the buyer (or a third party)

I don't think any blame for poor quality merchandise can be apportioned to either the factories or the Chinese people.