Cigarettes banned in jails: Taxpayers to pay more than $2 million in nicotine patches

[nicnik]

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

A former boss of one of the state’s toughest jails has warned that inmates are as likely to smoke the patches as they are to wear them.

“They soak the patches in tea leaves and when they are dry they make cigarettes with whatever paper is around — even pages of the Bible — and smoke them,” former Grafton jail governor John Heffernan said. “That’s what they have been doing for ages. They will get around anything.”

Let them vape.

(The link works. I don't know the trick for getting rid of that "No Cookies" thing.)

 

[OfTheBrave]

Opinion time.
1. There are too many people in jail for drug offences. (federal prison had 51% in 2013, state had 16% in 2012)
2. Don't want to give up your smokes/vapes? Don't commit a crime. (see above for clarification)
3. Nicotine patches??? Why give them anything but three hots, a cot and a lot of time to think?

I don't feel non-violent people need to be in prison though, so this is a "my perfect world scenario".
Murderers, Attempted murderers, Thieves and Child molesters in my opinion do not deserve patches, gum, vapes or cigs.

TL;DR - Going to prison should be reserved for violent people.
Willfully violent people don't deserve my money for vaporizers or any other vice.

 

[CardinalWinds]

No patches necessary. And prisoners purchase them with their own money...and the facility reaps financial benefits...and a reduction in inmate problems.

CrossBar Electronic Cigarettes

Ecig for Inmates

JailCigs.com

 

[nicnik]

No patches necessary. And prisoners purchase them with their own money...and the facility reaps financial benefits...and a reduction in inmate problems.

CrossBar Electronic Cigarettes

Ecig for Inmates

JailCigs.com

Nice links. They all seem to be charging way too much for the e-cigs, though.

 

[Jimi D.]

No vaping in prisons. I can see the headlines now. Prisoners Break Out Due To Mech Explosion. LOL

 

[TyPie]

I can think of many ways that e-cig bodies and parts can be fashioned into a nice litte simple, but sharp weapon.
I love the idea of making inmates pay for cigarettes themselves out of the money they earn in prison. In fact, this idea could be expanded to have them pay for their food. Good training, and there is absolutely nothing like a little incentive, maybe, as it is done in the real world outside. No workee, no food, and no ciggies. It would defray the cost of their upkeep as well.

 

[nicnik]

NSW prison smoking ban on Monday means nicotine patches and special riot teams | Daily Mail Online

"Violent NSW prisoners will be met with a ruthless riot squad instructed to go in 'very quick and very hard', when a state-wide smoking ban is imposed on Monday.

Corrective Services Commissioner Peter Severin is prepared for the worst after 300 prisoners ran riot for 15 hours at a prison in Melbourne earlier this month following the same ban, according to The Daily Telegraph.

With every 4 in 5 NSW inmates smoking, the controversial ban could lead to similar behaviour, but specialist riot officers called 'Immediate Action Teams' will reportedly be fronting a heavy regime of security when the ban comes into force."

 

[bigdancehawk]

I can think of many ways that e-cig bodies and parts can be fashioned into a nice litte simple, but sharp weapon.
I love the idea of making inmates pay for cigarettes themselves out of the money they earn in prison. In fact, this idea could be expanded to have them pay for their food. Good training, and there is absolutely nothing like a little incentive, maybe, as it is done in the real world outside. No workee, no food, and no ciggies. It would defray the cost of their upkeep as well.

Work:


1 January 1967
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Incentive:


1 November 1967
Photo by Michael Ochs Archives - Image courtesy gettyimages.com
Titles: Cool Hand Luke
Names: Strother Martin
Characters: Captain
Still of Strother Martin in Cool Hand Luke (1967)

 

[Bill Godshall]

I convinced many prisons and jails to ban indoor smoking more than a decade ago.
The leading opponent of smokefree policies in prisons has been the prison guards unions (who support banning inmates from smoking, but who want to continue smoking themselves).

 

[nicnik]

Desperate prisoners inject toxic nicotine-patch brew as tobacco ban takes toll

 

[AndriaD]

Speaking as someone who, many years ago, had to spend some time in jail... Rather than ever go back to jail, where nowadays there is no smoking at all, I would simply kill myself. No question about it.

Andria

 

[nicnik]

Speaking as someone who, many years ago, had to spend some time in jail... Rather than ever go back to jail, where nowadays there is no smoking at all, I would simply kill myself. No question about it.

Andria

Because of the prison smoking bans, or that and everything else about prison?

 

[AndriaD]

Because of the prison smoking bans, or that and everything else about prison?

Both. At the time I was in jail, if I had not been able to smoke, I would have simply lost my mind.

I'm a very respectable, law-abiding person these days, and I vape now instead of smoking, so it's VERY unlikely to ever come up... but it seems completely inhumane, cruel & unusual punishment, to deprive inmates of something they desperately need in a very stressful situation. I would far prefer to end my life than ever be faced with such a prospect.

Andria

 

[nicnik]

Both. At the time I was in jail, if I had not been able to smoke, I would have simply lost my mind.

I'm a very respectable, law-abiding person these days, and I vape now instead of smoking, so it's VERY unlikely to ever come up... but it seems completely inhumane, cruel & unusual punishment, to deprive inmates of something they desperately need in a very stressful situation. I would far prefer to end my life than ever be faced with such a prospect.

Andria

I hope no vaping bans ever become jailable offenses. Could that happen in places with 3 strike laws?

 

[DC2]

...but it seems completely inhumane, cruel & unusual punishment, to deprive inmates of something they desperately need in a very stressful situation.

I can't see how anyone can disagree with this.

But even worse is to deprive mental health patients...
Or the elderly in the various kinds of elderly/retirement/hospice facilities.

 

[AndriaD]

I can't see how anyone can disagree with this.

But even worse is to deprive mental health patients...
Or the elderly in the various kinds of elderly/retirement/hospice facilities.

Totally agree. And for someone to feel PROUD of helping to make jails smoke-free... That's like being proud of beating up a grandma because old people are so unpleasant to look at. Or proud of beating up a mentally-challenged person because those Downs-syndrome people are so funny looking. Or proud of beating a child because children can be SOOOOO annoying.

It's just MONSTROUS to even do something like that, and to be proud of it... goes so far beyond monstrous I can't even find a word for it.

Andria

 

[choochoogranny]

Insane?

 

[nicnik]

I can't see how anyone can disagree with this.

But even worse is to deprive mental health patients...
Or the elderly in the various kinds of elderly/retirement/hospice facilities.

Some of the overcrowding in jails is due to having nowhere to help mentally ill people, and a lot of it is due to insane laws that end up putting huge numbers of non-violent offenders in jail, many of them got there because of addiction problems.

 

[AndriaD]

Insane?

Narcissistic and arrogant self-righteousness was my thought, but ok, insane works too.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Totally agree. And for someone to feel PROUD of helping to make jails smoke-free... That's like being proud of beating up a grandma because old people are so unpleasant to look at. Or proud of beating up a mentally-challenged person because those Downs-syndrome people are so funny looking. Or proud of beating a child because children can be SOOOOO annoying.

It's just MONSTROUS to even do something like that, and to be proud of it... goes so far beyond monstrous I can't even find a word for it.

These are places where people are under some form of control.
And for the Nannys to use that framework to insert their agenda is indeed more than monstrous.

But I do have a word for it, and that word is evil.
And it's even worse than that when they pretend to do it for the good of the subjugated.

I'm not sure there is a worse word than "evil" but if there is, then it applies here.

And to think such people go home and sleep well at night.
If there is a hell, I imagine they will take their rightful position as masters there.


EDIT: Think of how mental health patients have been treated through the centuries
EDIT: This may not be as bad as that, but it's in the exact same vein