claptons... overrated imo

[sig-cmt]

vaping...doesnt need to be complicated, so i dont understand why so many people are hell bent on doing exactly that...

It's all about love for the game. People spend hours upon hours waxing their rides. Only to do it again the following week. The guy on the dyno fiddling on his MoTeC for half a day trying to find the perfect A/F ratio. All for an additional 10 RWHP. The kid shooting hoops outside for weeks on end looking to improve his shot. Love for the game is what these people have.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Couple misconceptions in this thread. One, not all of us who are into some of the fancier builds are wattage chasers. My current most advanced builds are the fused claptons and staggered fused claptons. Both ohm out at about .2-.25 the way I make them, which is my comfort zone for a single tube mechanical mod. When I used them on a regulated device, I hit dual coils with about 70 watts. Rarely do I go about 75 or 80...which for those coils is under 4 volts, very under powered. But the flavor I get of them blows anything else I've made out of the water. It's a much smoother vapes.

Now..regarding the other issue, of "I ain't got time for this sh*t"...that is a bit harsh man. Some of us take this as a hobby, others as a secondary source of income. I fall in the hobby aspect, and it's one of many. Fused coils take me no time at all to make up once you get the hang of them. I like the challenge of making something interesting that's usable...its frustrating as hell (can't do an alien, or a multistrand framed yet, but getting closer), but very enjoyable for me when I get the time to do it.

FInally, it's simple physics at work, you get so much more surface area out of a high gauge clapton, without the added ramp up time of using a low gauge single wire with 7-10 wraps. Most wraps I ever use is 6, and with a 34 gauge outer wrap around a 26 gauge wire, that's a lot of surface area heating up very quick. You don't get that same delivery with a twisted or parallel coil. Hell, I don't even think you get that delivery with a helix or spiral coil(I've tried, since in some respects they are easier to make).

Ultimately vape what works for you, but leave the judgement at the door.

Some of us consider 70 watts to be wattage chasing.
Enjoy your vape but most vapers vape at under 70 watts.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

It's about about love for the game. People spend hours upon hours waxing their rides. Only to do it again the following week. The guy on the dyno fiddling on his MoTeC for half a day trying to find the perfect A/F ratio. All for an additional 10 RWHP. The kid shooting hoops outside for weeks on end to improve his shot. Love for the game is what these people have.

Good point. Then some of us just drive our ride and wash it once a month.

 

[Mrez]

Some of us consider 70 watts to be wattage chasing.
Enjoy your vape but most vapers vape at under 70 watts.

To each their own. I don't have what I would call a circle of vaping friends, so beyond what I read here, and the handful of guys I talk to in shops, I don't really know what people are doing. If you like your 1.8 ohm coil 10 watt vape with a 50/50 juice, by all means enjoy. For some of us, it's simply not enough.

As an aside, a thought occurred to me while considering the directions of the conversation. The juice you prefer may play a large part in determining your coils. If you are using a higher PG content juice, then fast burning high wattage coils may not necessarily be required. I gravitated towards high VG juices early on, and the old 1.8 ohm coils did not work with that kind juice. The high pg juice irritated the hell out of my throat and sinuses. I prefer a much smoother vape, any throat hit bugs me. With my builds, at my wattage on (some) my juices, I get exactly that.

 

[Tom Forde]

Whoah a lot has happened since I last posted. I never started out on prebuilt coils. The first coils I built were 26g .5 ohm dual coils on a Legion RDA clone. I built a lot of regular builds before getting into more complex stuff. I like to think I went down a pretty standard path getting to complex coils. I went from regular coils, to parallels, different sized parallels (like 26/28g), to finding an old AF drill and twisting wire to see what it was like and then eventually a Clapton.

Most of these fancy builds I make, I make to sell. It's a small source of income for me as I only build for other people one day a week. But I do bring in premade (by me) complex wire sticks to coil up for people. And it pays pretty well.

Honestly swivels and things are super easy to work with and don't take much time at all.
The one coil that probably takes me the most time and attention to detail is a framed staple alien. And that's all just prep work. I just started making them well, took about 3 tries til I got it down.
Anything with ribbon wire you need to be ".... retentive" in the way you coil it up because you can end up with a staple coil that looks good, but ends up getting coiled with the strands of ribbon lying on top of each other horizontally.
Alien coils I can make in about 15 min for a 10-12" stick. It's just a counterclockwise Clapton stretched out and rewrapped clockwise over 2-3 cores. And the price I get for them costs me literally pennies to the spools I buy.

If I sell a set of 26/36g 3 core aliens for $25 and for arguments sake, let's say I use a full foot of wire to make them (which I don't but it makes the math easier), the cost to sale ratio is absurd. NOT INCLUDING COUPON CODES** One spool of 100ft 26g N80 $6. One spool 250ft 36g $12. 6/100=.06/foot. 3 feet used for 3 cores = .18¢ so far. Now let's say it takes 20 feet of 36g to make 12" of alien wire. $12/250=.048¢/foot, so (.048x20)+(.06x3)=$1.14 cost of wire. Since these coils are 6" each to simplify everything and are getting sold for $25, I'm profiting $23.86/set based on 12" of wire.
That's not even factoring in usually aliens are about 4"-4&1/2" each, and the coupons I use. Time spent making them is minimal. Cost is worth learning how to do it.

I mean complex coils aren't for everyone, but personally I like them and enjoy making them. It's a hobby I profit from.

 

[petrotech]

"Find something you love doing, then figure out how to make money off it."

Livin' the American dream.

Whoah a lot has happened since I last posted. I never started out on prebuilt coils. The first coils I built were 26g .5 ohm dual coils on a Legion RDA clone. I built a lot of regular builds before getting into more complex stuff. I like to think I went down a pretty standard path getting to complex coils. I went from regular coils, to parallels, different sized parallels (like 26/28g), to finding an old AF drill and twisting wire to see what it was like and then eventually a Clapton.

Most of these fancy builds I make, I make to sell. It's a small source of income for me as I only build for other people one day a week. But I do bring in premade (by me) complex wire sticks to coil up for people. And it pays pretty well.

Honestly swivels and things are super easy to work with and don't take much time at all.
The one coil that probably takes me the most time and attention to detail is a framed staple alien. And that's all just prep work. I just started making them well, took about 3 tries til I got it down.
Anything with ribbon wire you need to be ".... retentive" in the way you coil it up because you can end up with a staple coil that looks good, but ends up getting coiled with the strands of ribbon lying on top of each other horizontally.
Alien coils I can make in about 15 min for a 10-12" stick. It's just a counterclockwise Clapton stretched out and rewrapped clockwise over 2-3 cores. And the price I get for them costs me literally pennies to the spools I buy.

If I sell a set of 26/36g 3 core aliens for $25 and for arguments sake, let's say I use a full foot of wire to make them (which I don't but it makes the math easier), the cost to sale ratio is absurd. NOT INCLUDING COUPON CODES** One spool of 100ft 26g N80 $6. One spool 250ft 36g $12. 6/100=.06/foot. 3 feet used for 3 cores = .18¢ so far. Now let's say it takes 20 feet of 36g to make 12" of alien wire. $12/250=.048¢/foot, so (.048x20)+(.06x3)=$1.14 cost of wire. Since these coils are 6" each to simplify everything and are getting sold for $25, I'm profiting $23.86/set based on 12" of wire.
That's not even factoring in usually aliens are about 4"-4&1/2" each, and the coupons I use. Time spent making them is minimal. Cost is worth learning how to do it.

I mean complex coils aren't for everyone, but personally I like them and enjoy making them. It's a hobby I profit from.

 

[zapped]

Claptons wick better, more surface area.

 

[stylemessiah]

Update:

I finally got to try a clapton coil....for realsies

Bought a TFV4 Mini last weekend...gave away the w@nky coils to a friend, because ive neevr used prebuilt coils...i got it for the RCA deck as its like the subtank mini one, drop the coil in, screw down...easy peasy, and i got it for simple single wire builds. As a bonus my vape shop was givign away the standard single and dual coil decks. anyways after id given the coils away, i was left with (in the TFV Mini kit itself) the RCA with a prefitted clapton...thought why not wick it up and see what the clapton fuss is about. Wicked her up nice and snug....

Heres what i can tell you from my experience, and factoring in i never use vw anymore, and never went over 55w on a Crown once:

* Clapton equals more vapor - maybe a tiny bit better, but still comes under negligible difference to me.
* Clapton equals more flavour - maybe a tiny bit better, but still comes under negligible difference to me

Honestly i can get equal the vapour and flavour out of my main tank - a Lemo 2 with 8 wrap (0.6ohm) spaced SS coil at 210c. And i had the clapton running at 10 more watts than my tc mod uses to hit 210c....so theres that.

What was the big difference was the amount of bl00dy spitting, and juice in the mouth metric, i dont get that in any other tank (since of course i got rid of the subleak spitty - what i call the subtank mini - hateful things)

Seriously, you should see the inner glass section of the TFV4 Mini from all the spitting

Claptons, still overrated, esepcially now ive actually tried one. Wouldnt watse my time building one, but if you really need that coil porn pic for the forums, you could of course buy a prebuilt. the only other reason to have one seems to be if you like juice spitting and juice in your gob.

Im inclined to say a clapton is actually less efficent than a normal single wire coil...less efficient than people claim, going on the amount of unvapourised juice it spits everywhere.

Might look pretty and you might have been told its more efficient at wicking becuase someone on here quoted "capilliary action" and other fancy terms and extra wire, extra surface area with extra juice equals more vapour, but i call that wishful thinking and pure hopefulness. Reality seems to show that, certainly at the sane temps and watts i use its not actually heating all that "extra juice" anywhere near vapourising it, sure gets it hot enough to make it seperate from the wire though. I suppose if youre one of those people who likes to bump up their watts to get vapour temps hot and then suck that hot vapour into decades old smoke damaged lungs, you might disagree with me. You'd also be a bit silly. Hot vapour into healthy lungs is a bad idea.

Now, if you dont mind, ill head off for a toot from my single wire single coil build.....

Ill probably be back at some point to (re)debunk something else

 

[Tom Forde]

Update:

I finally got to try a clapton coil....for realsies

Bought a TFV4 Mini last weekend...gave away the w@nky coils to a friend, because ive neevr used prebuilt coils...i got it for the RCA deck as its like the subtank mini one, drop the coil in, screw down...easy peasy, and i got it for simple single wire builds. As a bonus my vape shop was givign away the standard single and dual coil decks. anyways after id given the coils away, i was left with (in the TFV Mini kit itself) the RCA with a prefitted clapton...thought why not wick it up and see what the clapton fuss is about. Wicked her up nice and snug....

Heres what i can tell you from my experience, and factoring in i never use vw anymore, and never went over 55w on a Crown once:

* Clapton equals more vapor - maybe a tiny bit better, but still comes under negligible difference to me.
* Clapton equals more flavour - maybe a tiny bit better, but still comes under negligible difference to me

Honestly i can get equal the vapour and flavour out of my main tank - a Lemo 2 with 8 wrap (0.6ohm) spaced SS coil at 210c. And i had the clapton running at 10 more watts than my tc mod uses to hit 210c....so theres that.

What was the big difference was the amount of bl00dy spitting, and juice in the mouth metric, i dont get that in any other tank (since of course i got rid of the subleak spitty - what i call the subtank mini - hateful things)

Seriously, you should see the inner glass section of the TFV4 Mini from all the spitting

Claptons, still overrated, esepcially now ive actually tried one. Wouldnt watse my time building one, but if you really need that coil porn pic for the forums, you could of course buy a prebuilt. the only other reason to have one seems to be if you like juice spitting and juice in your gob.

Im inclined to say a clapton is actually less efficent than a normal single wire coil...less efficient than people claim, going on the amount of unvapourised juice it spits everywhere.

Might look pretty and you might have been told its more efficient at wicking becuase someone on here quoted "capilliary action" and other fancy terms and extra wire, extra surface area with extra juice equals more vapour, but i call that wishful thinking and pure hopefulness. Reality seems to show that, certainly at the sane temps and watts i use its not actually heating all that "extra juice" anywhere near vapourising it, sure gets it hot enough to make it seperate from the wire though. I suppose if youre one of those people who likes to bump up their watts to get vapour temps hot and then suck that hot vapour into decades old smoke damaged lungs, you might disagree with me. You'd also be a bit silly. Hot vapour into healthy lungs is a bad idea.

Now, if you dont mind, ill head off for a toot from my single wire single coil build.....

Ill probably be back at some point to (re)debunk something else

Just one question for ya: what gauges were the wires?

 

[stylemessiah]

Just one question for ya: what gauges were the wires?

Whatever the prebuilt TFV4 Mini Clapton uses

 

[Tom Forde]

Whatever the prebuilt TFV4 Mini Clapton uses

I'm only finding the CLP-2 & STC-whatever (stainless steel Claptons) that are premade and aren't the RBA coil head. Since they're premade and premade for a disposable coil head, not the RBA head, it's not really a fair evaluation on how a Clapton can be a good coil.
Edit: if it was for the RBA coil head, I hope it was a vertical install, I mean, all of their factory coils are vertically installed, so clearly smok, aspire, kanger, etc, find it better to run their products with a vertical coil(s).

 

[stylemessiah]

I'm only finding the CLP-2 & STC-whatever (stainless steel Claptons) that are premade and aren't the RBA coil head. Since they're premade and premade for a disposable coil head, not the RBA head, it's not really a fair evaluation on how a Clapton can be a good coil.
Edit: if it was for the RBA coil head, I hope it was a vertical install, I mean, all of their factory coils are vertically installed, so clearly smok, aspire, kanger, etc, find it better to run their products with a vertical coil(s).

No, the RCA uses a horizontal clapton coil out of the box. Im sure you could *maybe* do a chimney build in it. I hate to say ive never really done prebuilt coils, and my exposure to vertical coils was a chimney build in my Lemo 2, and the 2 prebuilt coils that came with the Crown tank, and i wasnt really a fan of those vertical coils (and not because they needed 50+ watts to get going or the fact they died within 3/4 days each), i seem to prefer my coils with the wick on the inside, or horizontal. I get mroe than enough vapour off the coil that way.

 

[Tom Forde]

No, the RCA uses a horizontal clapton coil out of the box. Im sure you could *maybe* do a chimney build in it. I hate to say ive never really done prebuilt coils, and my exposure to vertical coils was a chimney build in my Lemo 2, and the 2 prebuilt coils that came with the Crown tank, and i wasnt really a fan of those vertical coils (and not because they needed 50+ watts to get going or the fact they died within 3/4 days each), i seem to prefer my coils with the wick on the inside, or horizontal. I get mroe than enough vapour off the coil that way.

I mean, I'm just sayin that all of the manufacturers across the board now are using vertical coil heads. Kanger pulled their horizontal subtank OCC coils for a vertical design. I just think it would work better spaced & vertically installed & wicked. Nowhere does it say you NEED to go horizontal or it won't work. But I still don't like premade complex coils. The gauges are always too big. Like a 26/30 or 26/32 Clapton prebuilt for the tfv4. I mean I've used 32g as the core wire in fused Claptons before wrapped up in 40g. For reference 26g is .405mm. 40g is .08mm. So the coil density barely changes on a 26/40g Clapton.

 

[gel drops]

I suppose after eight years of vaping/ building,I prefer the tanks/RTA.. just fill them up and occasionally put in a new atomizer and let it roll.

 

[WharfRat1976]

had a 28ga wrapped with 32 gauged clapton

i did a simple 26 gauge 7 wraps, tastes the same lmaos

maybe its just me, thoughts?

Coil builds are totally subjective. Just like juice and flavor. There is some objectivity in mods even though a box verse a mech is totally subjective as well.

Back to you Bob.

 

[jsocal]

Claptons work great for nickle with kanthal wrap much easier to rewick. I have 28g ni200 wrapped with 40g kanthal in my aromizer tank. 200 watts yes and no please lol I love my dna 200 but never gonna vape at 200w tried it just get flaming vapor but love it for the pre heat. Hit a framed staple coil 24g ti 6x.5 ribbon wrapped in 40g 5 wrap .125" idwith 150 watt preheat for 1 sec and the pull it back to 80 watts zero ramp up just flavor and clouds for days

 

[Tom Forde]

Claptons work great for nickle with kanthal wrap much easier to rewick. I have 28g ni200 wrapped with 40g kanthal in my aromizer tank. 200 watts yes and no please lol I love my dna 200 but never gonna vape at 200w tried it just get flaming vapor but love it for the pre heat. Hit a framed staple coil 24g ti 6x.5 ribbon wrapped in 40g 5 wrap .125" idwith 150 watt preheat for 1 sec and the pull it back to 80 watts zero ramp up just flavor and clouds for days

I ain't gonna flame you for vaping at 200w, I've done it with my Rolo DNA 200 haha. I took a 2 second hit and was like holy **** ******! So much vapor so fast.
And still Claptons are not over-rated, I barely consider them coil porn because they're actually pretty standard. The Clapton @stylemessiah speaks of is like a 26/32g KA1 Clapton so of course it's gonna be bigger and have the surface area of like 22-23g.
However, a 40g wrap on 26g would make the coil have a diameter of .421+\-.04, as 40g's diameter is .08mm. It's almost like hair. Certain peoples hair may even be thicker.
And once you realize "oh maybe I should try a different wire material or size" (like N80) you'll realize they're not over rated.
Does anyone here think a framed staple alien is overrated? How about an interlocking alien?

This is an interlocking framed staple alien, 2x36g interlocking alien wrap, 26g frames, 4ply .5x.1mm in between the 26g. It's my kryptonite when it comes to building them, either I'll get a perfect length or I'll get a completely FUBAR result. Most of the time it's the latter.

Now yeah you may have to raise your wattage to about 95w - my personal preference - (for 28g dual iFSA's) to hit her sweet spot & not many people have the patience to actually take the time to build these perfectly (it ain't easy), but I have never gotten such great flavor from a coil.
I'm comparing a 28g interlocking FSA to a normal 22g 3mm 6 wrap in my 528 Customs Monster v3's on my Limitless mod.
The normal 22g 6 wrap on my SS Monster v3, iFSA on the monster v3 blackout with regular (3.2mm airflow) & chuff pins (3.8mm airflow). Both on my brass limitless, both with standard caps and with district f5ve chuff caps. I can tell you that with a fully charged VTC4 for each build, the interlocking FSA kicks the 22g N80 in the ****. So while your Clapton may be overrated, mine isn't. Oh, and she don't spit, she works it damn good for me

 

[jsocal]

Know what you mean about 200 watts lol. Ya i do prefer aliens and staple builds over claptons. It seems the vapor is finer and way less popping and spitting happens Imo. Here's what I'm rocking right now 2x 24g ti 6x .5 kanthal ribbon fused with 40g kanthal