Yup. The Aspire clone is one prime example. It even comes with thicker glass!
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Yup. The Aspire clone is one prime example. It even comes with thicker glass!
Usualy the clones just need small fixes and adjustments to really make them shine.
This is an old debate, and there are those who disparage the buyers of clones on these forums. To me what they are saying is "Ha ha, I have more money than you! Neener neener neeeeener, you're such a loser!"
Like it or not there are those of us who just plain cannot afford the originals, and are willing to settle for something else which nevertheless serves our needs, although perhaps not in every case as well as the far more expensive original. At the end of the day it's a matter of what you can afford. If you are working 20 hours a week at a dead-end job, that being all you can get, and have rent and bills to pay you just cannot afford a brand new original Poldiac.
Nor should you have to endure being disparaged for that on these forums.
Like it or not there are those of us who just plain cannot afford the originals, and are willing to settle for something else which nevertheless serves our needs, although perhaps not in every case as well as the far more expensive original. At the end of the day it's a matter of what you can afford. If you are working 20 hours a week at a dead-end job, that being all you can get, and have rent and bills to pay you just cannot afford a brand new original Poldiac.
Nor should you have to endure being disparaged for that on these forums.
I absolutely agree with you I have a Nemi clone (single mom cant afford the high end expensive mods) and I love it, works great !
I'm sure there are very decent clones and inexpensive mods with tons of bang for the buck. The trick is finding out which (the costly part) as the average is getting what you paid for. I have a hard time trusting materials including metals that come from China, though (unless I'm not putting it in my mouth or my life doesn't depend on it).
I currently have a ss nemesis clone with nimbus clone. So far it's holding up. I'm thinking of getting a copper vanilla clone. Reason I'm sticking with clones for now cus of money. Til I save up and become more experienced with vaping I'm stick with clones
one reason I get clones is....
I would feel really REALLY bad about loosing a Provari and an original 3.1....
dont even know how Id feel about loosing a real Otto Carver...
I would feel really REALLY bad about loosing a Provari and an original 3.1....
dont even know how Id feel about loosing a real Otto Carver...
Genuine Hana Modz DNA30 mod:
Clone:
I guess you think the Leaning Tower of Hana is a good thing because it's the genuine article?
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These threads sure do come up often. Something to consider...
I started vaping 15 months ago... back then mechanical mods and RBA's were just a tiny niche off in the corner of the vaping world. Most of the originals that are kicked around as household names... Kayfun, Nimbus, Russian, etc... either didn't exist or were in their infancy barely over a year ago. It's really just been in the last 6-9 months that the whole "clone" market has emerged and exploded.
IMO... most of the brand names haven't been around long enough nor have established a solid market with available product to be all that noteworthy to even warrant brand loyalty. These ain't Fords or Chevy's nor Marlboro's or Camels...
Given how rapid the available product base and technology innovations changing/improving every few months... Is the capital investment for an authentic original worth the investment??
For my money $25 for a shiny clone that is anywhere from 95% -110% the quality of the original at $150 for something that most likely won't be the latest or best thing 4 months from now seems an easy choice. How many of you are using the same gear you were 6 moths ago..? If you've been at it even that long?
I started vaping 15 months ago... back then mechanical mods and RBA's were just a tiny niche off in the corner of the vaping world. Most of the originals that are kicked around as household names... Kayfun, Nimbus, Russian, etc... either didn't exist or were in their infancy barely over a year ago. It's really just been in the last 6-9 months that the whole "clone" market has emerged and exploded.
IMO... most of the brand names haven't been around long enough nor have established a solid market with available product to be all that noteworthy to even warrant brand loyalty. These ain't Fords or Chevy's nor Marlboro's or Camels...
Given how rapid the available product base and technology innovations changing/improving every few months... Is the capital investment for an authentic original worth the investment??
For my money $25 for a shiny clone that is anywhere from 95% -110% the quality of the original at $150 for something that most likely won't be the latest or best thing 4 months from now seems an easy choice. How many of you are using the same gear you were 6 moths ago..? If you've been at it even that long?
Depends if you find something you want to stick to or you prefer to follow the trends. Newer isn't always better and I'd say what is out today (based on your comment) is getting pretty much there. (Then again, this is a new market and there is still plenty to discover) Once we hit the top of the curve, the manufacturers will have to differentiate themselves with looks, brand name and durability -only to name what comes up in mind right now. Sure, there will always be followers, people avid for new stuff and hobby collectors, but I spent enough money on other hobbies to know it is cheaper to pace yourself and buy things that last (even if they didn't cost much or if I have to shell out a little dough to get what I want). It is an art, though, not to find out things the hard way and I won't say I never make mistakes...
Well, last year I lost a Vamo over the side of the boat. That didn't make me want to buy a clone. I bought a ProVari.
Last week, I lost an authentic Electric Angel* with an authentic KFL+ over the side**. It still doesn't make me want to buy a clone.
I might buy something less expensive for the boat, but that doesn't mean it should be a clone. I might even buy something from China, but not a clone.
Whatever I buy, it will support the company or person that designed the item. But then, I'm one of those guys who actually pays to own music.
I am NOT saying neener, neener, whatever. I am saying that price isn't enough justification for me to support counterfeiters. YMMV.
* I've heard that the EA clone actually performs better than the original.
** Yea, I should probably start using a lanyard.
Last week, I lost an authentic Electric Angel* with an authentic KFL+ over the side**. It still doesn't make me want to buy a clone.
I might buy something less expensive for the boat, but that doesn't mean it should be a clone. I might even buy something from China, but not a clone.
Whatever I buy, it will support the company or person that designed the item. But then, I'm one of those guys who actually pays to own music.
I am NOT saying neener, neener, whatever. I am saying that price isn't enough justification for me to support counterfeiters. YMMV.
* I've heard that the EA clone actually performs better than the original.
** Yea, I should probably start using a lanyard.
I am with you on that for sure!! Authentic gear is always the best value, because they always work. lol. I kind of do things backward, when I get a great authentic, then if the clone is made by Hcigar or Infinite, then I'll get the clone.
You mentioned Hcigar as being a good cloner, and I agree, thing is, Hcigar has now started making their own designs too. Where getting an authentic become even more critical is with an rba. sure have had some decent rba clones, but the Authentic versions seem to be always much, much, better.
I own several authentic and cloned pieces and when it comes to atty's there isn't much of a difference. Magma is an excellent example, I bought the authentic and loved it and wanted another one. I didn't want to drop the same amount of money so I figured, what the hell I'll try the clone. I can't tell them apart when I vape. The only noticeable difference was the heads of the screws, the authentic had deeper slots.
It about what you can afford and whether the piece you buys satisfies your vaping style. My K100 is every bit as good as my authentic Nemi but is ugly as sin. I'm vaping it right now with a Patriot topper.
Personal choice is a great thing. When it comes to dripping lower priced authentic or a clone either can satisfy your needs for a whole less amount of cash. If your happy who the hell cares what others think.
And for the record, my Authentic Origen has rust, the clone, no problem. A little over $100 bucks separates them and the vape is exactly the same. I can say the same thing about my R91's!
Got to love them deep wells for dripping
It about what you can afford and whether the piece you buys satisfies your vaping style. My K100 is every bit as good as my authentic Nemi but is ugly as sin. I'm vaping it right now with a Patriot topper.
Personal choice is a great thing. When it comes to dripping lower priced authentic or a clone either can satisfy your needs for a whole less amount of cash. If your happy who the hell cares what others think.
And for the record, my Authentic Origen has rust, the clone, no problem. A little over $100 bucks separates them and the vape is exactly the same. I can say the same thing about my R91's!
Got to love them deep wells for dripping
I don't support logo'ed clones, but at the same time I don't support overpriced flashlights simply because of the logo either.
Take the Hana Modz DNA30 V3 and the CANA DNA30 clone.
If you removed the logo from both devices so that both were plain, unmarked box mods, would you still pay $200 more for the Hana Modz version?
Are you paying for the device, or are you paying for the bling to show off with?
And as for "designing the item" ALL mods are based on flashlights. Tube mods are especially nothing more than a flashlight with a 510 threaded socket and a flimsy, crunchy, often failing button. Box mods are a dime a dozen and no one can claim to have an original one.
Take the Hana Modz DNA30 for instance. $275 for what? An aluminum box with a chip designed by Evolve that costs $45, some buttons you can buy on the internet for a couple of dollars each, some wires, a bit of epoxy, and a 510 threaded connector that you can buy on the internet for less than $10. I guess you can say they blueprinted out and machined their own box, but nothing about it is original. The chip isn't theirs. They didn't make the wires, or the buttons or the connectors. They just assembled pieces that they bought somewhere else. Their actual, final cost of production is around $75 with $200 in profit per box sold for something that is totally unoriginal and mostly made by someone else.
I'm not supporting that. I'll buy the $70 clone, thanks. If it breaks then I'll just buy a real Evolve DNA30 chip and put that in and have the exact same thing as a real Hana for less than $120. Who knows, I can reprogram engine mapping in cars, I'm sure reflashing the DNA30 chip to display "Hana Sucks" on startup couldn't be that hard.
Personally I have a number of both clones and authentic gear. You can't really use a blanket statement regarding quality of clones vs. authentic. It really is dependent on the specific authentic and the specific clone. Some clones are improvements on the original and some are just cheap imitations.
I love to hate clones.
1) It's theft and I hate thieves. To copy a design is one thing, 1:1 and it's an attempt to deceive and profit of the original designer...
2) It opens a whole new world to those that cant afford the real deal OR those that just need a mod to knock around and expose to the rigors of every day carry.
3) The safety issue. I don't own a single clone but have handled and setup many for others. I find that, compared to the real deal, every one I have experience with have serious flaws. Weak switches, poor threading in critical connections, overall excessive play and just plain sloppy machining. Knowing the power and the ever increasing capacity of today's lithium-ion battery, combined with the youthful desire to sub ohm... it's only a matter of time before someone (unfortunately) experiences disaster.
Whatever you have, maintain it and build with knowledge and a sure hand.
When you pay for quality you only cry once. Vape safe.
1) It's theft and I hate thieves. To copy a design is one thing, 1:1 and it's an attempt to deceive and profit of the original designer...
2) It opens a whole new world to those that cant afford the real deal OR those that just need a mod to knock around and expose to the rigors of every day carry.
3) The safety issue. I don't own a single clone but have handled and setup many for others. I find that, compared to the real deal, every one I have experience with have serious flaws. Weak switches, poor threading in critical connections, overall excessive play and just plain sloppy machining. Knowing the power and the ever increasing capacity of today's lithium-ion battery, combined with the youthful desire to sub ohm... it's only a matter of time before someone (unfortunately) experiences disaster.
Whatever you have, maintain it and build with knowledge and a sure hand.
When you pay for quality you only cry once. Vape safe.
The Russian isn't an original, it's a clone.
That's preposterous. At best.
idk i recently picked up a clone off ebay it was supposed to be a 91% but riptrippers off youtube tell me it has to have the 91% logo on the side of it to be the authentic one so anyways i bought this thing and my friend has a authentic kayfun light next to each other id say that it produce nearly the same quality taste and vapor production so i dont think its that much better to always get a authentic version ive not had any problems cept when i over filled it once it also has the airflow on the side instead of under the connector
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