Clones of clones?

[rusty zipper]

A while ago I picked up an Infinite clone from my local B&M. It was quite nice and I like it a bunch, right up to the moment I killed it. I go back to the same B&M and ask them for another one. That mod was different than the mod that I liked, the mod I killed. The copper hardware was awful. The pair of copper screws that tension the atty and the battery were of very low quality. The switch was also different and of lower quality. The fit and finish of the internal copper hardware was just horrible, The 510 threads were bad, my attys all wobbled in the 510 connector until I tightened them down.

My B&M is run by good people, I showed this to them and the next time I was in their store that mod wasn't in the display.

My guess may be that there really isn't a company called Infinite, and that the Infinite name is a name shared by who knows how many Chinese businesses, but I may be wrong about that as the name Infinite usually implies a higher quality counterfeit than the usual Chinese garbage.

But if there really is a company named Infinite, and if their business model is the distribution of high quality clones, and their clones were being cloned by another Chinese vendor, then that would be funny

Cheers,
Rusty

*walks away scratching head*

 

[Spencer87]

Well fasttech has fuhatten clones. And fuhatten was started as clones of Manhattan

 

[crxess]

Just figured this out?

Yes, there is a company called Infinite. They do purchase and brand products. Most are good, but some not so much. Same with many other China Companies.
You also have to factor in Production variances. Machines are often well out of spec before calibrations are preformed.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Infinite doesn't actually manufacture anything, they just purchase from those that do and resell.

 

[VHRB2014]

Ya, this is the first thing I look at when buying a new mod, contacts. Are they good? Are they good size and well made? What is there composition, brass or copper, I`m partial to brass as its just about as good as copper and lasts much longer, and does`nt oxidize nearly as quick. The switch is part of the contacts, is it up to the task, does it use a spring, LOL. A good spring? Or is it just rinky-dink dangerous.

It slays me when I hear a vapor go out and buy any old mod and drop a .2 ohm dripper on it, then whine about why it don`t work. These are ADVANCED DEVICES!

But I guess they still sell a Corvette to anyone with cash in hand and that does`nt always end well either. ?

 

[rusty zipper]

Just figured this out?

Yes, there is a company called Infinite. They do purchase and brand products. Most are good, but some not so much. Same with many other China Companies.
You also have to factor in Production variances. Machines are often well out of spec before calibrations are preformed.

Yep, I just figured this out, but don't hold that against me. Yep, machines do fall out of spec, but not so much with CNC machinery, and some stuff is just better than others. Here's how I figure it, a domestic vendor contracts with a Chinese manufacturer to make a bunch of widgets for them. The Chinese manufacturer manufactures the number of widgets contracted, then the Chinese manufacturer makes a few extra that they distribute. So the clones may not be clones. We would call these widgets high quality merchandise, as they are exact copies, a part of the original production run. Whoever distributes those exact copies (they're not really copies, remember, the CM just ran a bunch of widgets for himself, while all the tooling was in place and the needed material was obtained. Whoever does this stands to make a ton of money with a minimal investment. I believe that's where the highest quality "clones" come from, and why they're sold for a fraction of the price of the authentic article.

Then there are those who make cheap knockoffs. Those widgets may look OK, but the quality of their merchandise goes from so-so to horrible. Tht's probably what happened here.

Besides that, the whole dynamic of internet vendors and B&M's selling counterfeit merchandise just seems really weird. Personally, I do have a problem with a domestic manufacturer charging $250 for a metal tube and a switch. By all means, make money, but don't be so obscene about it that your astronomical prices encourage the manufacture of knockoffs.So yeah, I'll buy a decent clone and not feel at all guilty about it. That's not the point.

Like I said, it just seems weird to see counterfeited merchandise beautifully displayed in my B&M's showcase.

 

[roxynoodle]

I've also had unscrupulous vendors advertise their clone as Infinite or HCigar, and it isn't. Its something cheaper they are hoping to pass off at a higher price point.

 

[rusty zipper]

I've also had unscrupulous vendors advertise their clone as Infinite or HCigar, and it isn't. Its something cheaper they are hoping to pass off at a higher price point.

You said, in a single sentence, what I tried to say in three paragraphs. Thank you.

 

[edyle]

A while ago I picked up an Infinite clone from my local B&M. It was quite nice and I like it a bunch, right up to the moment I killed it. I go back to the same B&M and ask them for another one. That mod was different than the mod that I liked, the mod I killed. The copper hardware was awful. The pair of copper screws that tension the atty and the battery were of very low quality. The switch was also different and of lower quality. The fit and finish of the internal copper hardware was just horrible, The 510 threads were bad, my attys all wobbled in the 510 connector until I tightened them down.

My B&M is run by good people, I showed this to them and the next time I was in their store that mod wasn't in the display.

My guess may be that there really isn't a company called Infinite, and that the Infinite name is a name shared by who knows how many Chinese businesses, but I may be wrong about that as the name Infinite usually implies a higher quality counterfeit than the usual Chinese garbage.

But if there really is a company named Infinite, and if their business model is the distribution of high quality clones, and their clones were being cloned by another Chinese vendor, then that would be funny

Cheers,
Rusty

*walks away scratching head*

So was the second mod supposed to be an Infinite clone?

As fas as I understand, Infinite makes clones; just as Hcigar, Tobeco, and ehpro.