Need feedback on first Genesis setup

[tmel]

Hi,

Been vaping for about 4 years now and my ADV is my Reo Grand, I've got an Ibaloi (pinoy mech you've never heard of) and some rda's I use at home for dripping, using either 28g or 24g kanthal.

Here is my shopping list...I know its all cheaper on fasttech, but...shipping

Pulse Clone (Infinite?)
Pulse Clone - Kidney Puncher

Infinite Sting Ray
HCigar Stingray Mod Clone Black Copper

Infinite Copper Kraken
Infinite Copper Kraken RBA Clone

30ML Blunt Tip bottles
30ml Blunt Needle Dropper Bottle Pack (Soft & Squeezeable) - Lightning Vapes

22G (for kicks), 26g and 30g to be used for the genesis.
Kanthal A1 Resistance Wire - Lightning Vapes

400 and 500
Stainless Steel Mesh - Lightning Vapes

Ekowool Sleeve (just in case)
High Quality Genuine Ekowool

In case I really suck at making wicks
400 x 400 Pre Rolled Wick | ElectronicStix.Com


Am I missing anything? Am I making good choices? I still really would like to have a genesis hybrid of some kind, but I couldn't find any that had the qualities of the Pulse or Kraken in their design. I am tired of the 510 connection and want a hybrid connection.

I am tempted to get a Nemesis instead as it has a great genesis hybrid design you can get, but I really really like that sting ray!


Random question...why does every genesis top post have a screw where you wrap the wire around? Just make a freakin' hole already!
Thanks!

 

[WattWick]

I say man up, go all in and wipe that ekowool sleeve off your list!

Rolling wicks is no big deal. You may find it easier if you start off on some thin round syringe tip / needle something. Just to get the initial curve in place. If you want a hollow wick, just keep going. If you want a solid wick, remove thin thingy, and start over with your pre-shaped mesh.

Aren't there any hybrid adapters for the Stingray? Not that those hybrid adapters are 100% true hybrids, but they do work wonders in the looks department

The EA Nebula has a hole in the center post. Strange thing is... it's sort of a mixed blessing. Getting the right wire tension is a big deal on gennies. Threading your wire through a hole after wrapping it may cause more problems than it solves. It's not at all bad once you're used to it, but IMO it's no necessity. The easiest is probably the spring and washer setups. Just trap it and go.

The screw center posts can actually teach a valuable lesson in wire tension. You may find that you have to compensate for how the screw tightens or loosens up your coil. Not too tight; definitely no gaps between mesh and coil. The former will be hard to pulse out. The latter will taste like crap.

My preference is for 28 awg, but people use all sorts. Thin wire can be a pain to work with, tho.

 

[Myk]

Pulse is good with round wire. Not so much with ribbon because post is too close to the wick to get a twist in the wire without causing a problem short. And I am talking about a Pulse KP sells.
I don't like the screw for the positive connection. Crank that sucker down or else it will back out every time you take the atty off the mod.

30ga is what I use on it.

A carto .... plug works to plug the fill hole so it doesn't leak if you're not going to use it as a dual. You may want to put a pin in the 2nd wick hole or it will leak condensation when laid down.

I settled on 400 mesh for everything.

Personally I like VV/VW for everything.

I had to do a lot of modding to get my Kraken to be like I wanted. Open the wick hole, open the fill hole to take an RSST plug. Make a washer for the negative screw (my screws wouldn't capture anything), cut the washers down for the center post (for my preference of ribbon). Plug the 2nd wick hole.

I was actually considering figuring out a hole for the Pulse. Then I could use ribbon in it if I got it right.

Stick with it and mesh will click. Then gennies will be the best thing there is.

 

[Baditude]

My recommendation would be to avoid a Genesis-style tank altogether and go with a Kayfun-style rebuildable atomizer tank.



Genesis-style tanks are more difficult and have a higher learning curve than a Kayfun. Take a lot of fiddling to get them to work. Most leak if not kept in an upright position (not so good when you're away from home) and you have to tilt it (the Genesis Tilt) to vape it for best wicking. I found I disliked the ss mesh; difficult to roll and sometimes left a metalic taste to the vapor. I no longer use my Genesis tanks in favor of my KFL+.



Kayfuns have less of a learning curve, are not position dependent and do not leak; great for out of the house use. Not huge vapor producers, but are flavor machines. Can use organic cotton or silica wick (both cheaper and easier to use than stainless steel mesh). Only drawback is you need to change the wicks on an empty tank. This is by far the better design for a rebuildable tank, IMHO.

I use a 1.3 ohm microcoil of 28 or 30 gauge Vapowire (kanthol). Works on both a mech and a regulated mod. Organic cotton for the wick.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/554710-what-makes-kayfun-so-great.html

 

[Myk]

My recommendation would be to avoid a Genesis-style tank altogether and go with a Kayfun-style rebuildable atomizer tank.

Genesis-style tanks are more difficult and have a higher learning curve than a Kayfun. Most leak if not kept in an upright position (not so good when you're away from home) and you have to tilt it (the Genesis Tilt) to vape it for best wicking. I found I disliked the ss mesh; difficult to roll and sometimes left a metalic taste to the vapor. I no longer use my Genesis tanks in favor of my KFL+.

Kayfuns have less of a learning curve, are not position dependent and do not leak; great for out of the house use. Not huge vapor producers, but are flavor machines. Can use organic cotton or silica wick (both cheaper and easier to use than stainless steel mesh). Only drawback is you need to change the wicks on an empty tank. This is by far the better design for a rebuildable tank, IMHO.

Bottom coils tend to deaden flavor. They also present a problem if you need to do some coil adjusting or cleaning with liquid in the tank or while away from your work place.
KF is better than a Protank but that's not really saying much.

Higher learning curve = higher reward. A good gennie build is almost as good as an RDA for flavor and as portable as anything.
No they don't leak and you don't need to tilt with a proper build, as you said you had difficulties. To get them not to leak you may need to do some modding in some designs, hence the .... plug for the Pulse. Leaving out the fill plug is a bad fix for a problem that shouldn't exist (having to tilt) and for some reason the designers have taken to leaving them out on some designs.
If it's not wicking your wick is too tight. If the fill plug is in and it leaks your wick is too loose. It's that simple.

I take gennies everywhere and fall asleep with them in my bed and never have them leak any more.

I can't figure out the metal taste, I don't get it, or I eat so much metal for work I'm immune. I don't doubt some are sensitive to it just like some people don't like kanthal.

 

[WattWick]

Not to be an elitist... But some of us are well capable of setting up a gennie so it vapes better (subjectively) than a Kayfun, does not leak, nor require gangsta style tilting.

Can't deny it has a steeper learning curve... Then again I've wondered if that was gennies in general or mostly the Aga-T2. Not dissing the Aga, just saying it's trickier than many others. Call it a strict teacher.

Like learning to ride a bike; it only seems utterly impossible until you suddenly know how.

 

[slappy3139]

Interesting, I've found that my kayfuns give better flavor than my gennys, guess I never fiddled enough with the gennys.

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[DoMortas]

I love my kraken, and my kayfun. But I hate the SS mesh, I build mine with cotton.

 

[tmel]

I'm ready for the learning curve, thats why I am doing it.

I don't need or want a Kayfun style, I have my Reo Grand and it's the best vape possible imo with unflavored 12mg.

I watched some videos on the peter k method and I think I'll be OK making the wicks, I want to stay away from cotton or micro coils in my genny, I have drippers for that stuff.

Appreciate all the responses and feedback so far about the pulse/kraken....ill look into the sting ray hybrid connection.

I know that if I can get my mesh and coil right, flavor will be amazing and I'll love Pluid even more.

I didn't think wire tension came into play, the positive post makes sense now!

 

[Myk]

Not to be an elitist... But some of us are well capable of setting up a gennie so it vapes better (subjectively) than a Kayfun, does not leak, nor require gangsta style tilting.

Can't deny it has a steeper learning curve... Then again I've wondered if that was gennies in general or mostly the Aga-T2. Not dissing the Aga, just saying it's trickier than many others. Call it a strict teacher.

Like learning to ride a bike; it only seems utterly impossible until you suddenly know how.

I'll never understand that. I have no problems with T2. If I can do them you'd think everything else would be easy the way everyone has problems with T2.

"Like learning to ride a bike; it only seems utterly impossible until you suddenly know how."
I like that. That's pretty much how it was. Takes forever to get one right. Then suddenly it just worked.
It doesn't make much sense because when you're learning you're poking out hot spots not wrapping. You'd think what would suddenly click would be the poking.

I didn't think wire tension came into play, the positive post makes sense now!

That's where I had problems with Petar K. They were so loose it was a bunch of hot spots until I moved them around to tighten them. Since I want micro/touching coils style it didn't work for me.
The one thing that style did was show me that eventually pulsing will oxidize the shorts away.