Cloning Milk and Honey

[DrLucky]

Tonight:

Graham Cracker v2 (CAP) 0.3%
Graham Cracker (TFA) 1.5%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.5%
Banana Cream (TFA) 2%
Marshmallow ((LA) 1.5%
Smooth (TFA) 2%
Whipped Cream (TFA) 2%
AP .7%

Still bringing the Graham v2 down to get just a hint of spice until I can try the catalin cream.
It's probably wrong to drop banana cream by such a large amount, it definitely seemed to meld better after a short while, but here it goes anyway.
I always hear less is more when it comes to marshmallow, so I've dropped it a bit as well.

Side note, my NIC comes from Wizard Labs. Is there a better brand NIC PG and VG out there? I have a feeling my blank bases are a part of the issue

 

[DrLucky]

I've yet to attempt any of my honey flavors since I'm pretty sure the graham cracker clear provides that sort of flavor.
Has anyone any experience with FA Fresh Cream?

 

[nicobeak]

Dr, the catalan cream is FA.

I have tried FA fresh cream, and I really like it as a flavor, but I don't really think it works in M&H. It adds an unsweetened half&half creaminess, kind of similar to sweet cream.

 

[nicobeak]

Ok, here is what I tried this morning:

Banana Cream (TFA) 2.00%
Catalan Cream (FA) 2.00%
Vanilla Classic (FA) 1.00%
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (TFA) 0.50%
Graham Cracker (Cap) 3.00%
Vanilla Tahiti (FA) 1.00%
Vanilla Custard V 2 (Cap) 2.00%
Marshmallow (TFA) 2.00%
Ethyl Maltol 10% (TFA) 1.00%

It needs to sit for a while, but I tried it right off and it tastes fairly close. I'll post back in a few days and see how it develops.

 

[DrLucky]

All my last revisions were wrong, oh well haha. Flavor came out pretty bland.
I'm going to reattempt my previous batch and add CAP Vanilla Custard since I haven't tried that in a while.

SO here's tonight's batch:

Graham Cracker v2 (CAP) 0.5%
Graham Cracker (TFA) 2.5%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.5%
Banana Cream (TFA) 2.5%
Marshmallow ((CAP) 2%
Smooth (TFA) 1%
Whipped Cream (TFA) 2%
Vanilla Custard (CAP) 2%
AP .7%

 

[DrLucky]

Well, that batch just finished speed steeping via the crock pot method. I'm pretty sure I just have vape tongue now as the batch come across fairly bland. I'll vape something fruity for a few days until I can taste it again. I'll check back in then.

 

[nicobeak]

TFA peanut butter has AP in it already, I think it says between 1-10% on the msds. I have been trying to get the PB taste using just AP, or drop the extra AP out entirely and just use peanut butter. Also, I used cap van cust v 2 because I didn't want to add too much creaminess.

 

[DrLucky]

Good to know about the AP in Peanut Butter. I'll try toning it down next time. My main use has been to enhance the graham cracker.
Trying the OG stuff again, I can taste that hint of a sort of a citrus sweet flavor, it reminds me more of Ethyl Maltol. I'll try a drop (per 10 ML) in tonight's batch as I have no catalan cream yet.

 

[DrLucky]

I have yet to find a better morning vape with coffee than Milk and Honey. I'm going to order the flavors I don't have yet and try to jump into this with you guys. Thanks for all your hard work!

So true! It tastes it best with that first cup in the morning.
Join us and use this thread as your notepad, all of our work together will get us there.

 

[thefleck]

I think I shall join the hunt. I just wish you guys were using the same flavors...I'm ordering supplies and don't know where to start

 

[DrLucky]

I think I shall join the hunt. I just wish you guys were using the same flavors...I'm ordering supplies and don't know where to start

I agree, and I will be ordering the flavors Nicobeak is using and hope he'll do the same. Unfortunately, most of my current funds are going towards untimely car repairs.
However I find it interesting that we both feel like we're getting close with such different recipes.
I hope you join us! I'd say order all the ingredients we've tried so far and see for yourself! It's a very complex and paradoxically simple mix, who knows where we stand.
Oh and be sure to have a few bottles of actual Milk and Honey on hand to compare with. If you have a tank or RBA you don't use regularly, designate it to the real stuff for your comparisons.

 

[DrLucky]

Tonight's mix (speed steeping already) :

v7 2/19/15
Graham Cracker v2 (CAP) 0.5%
Graham Cracker (TFA) 1.5%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.5%
Banana Cream (TFA) 2%
Marshmallow (LA) 2%
Smooth (TFA) 2%
Whipped Cream (TFA) 2%
AP .3%
EM 1 drop/10ML

 

[theXawakening]

It's been a while since I went at this clone, but I was getting pretty close with just a few ingredients. Don't have a specific recipe but.

Lots of TFA Toasted Marshmallow maybe around 10% ish (maybe more)

TFA Peanut Butter (add drop by drop till you just barely taste it.

TFA Vanilla Swirl (around 3-5%. This helps elevate the Marshmallow)

And this may sound odd but...
TFA Honeysuckle. Just a tiny bit. 1 drop per 15ml. No more than 2. This does taste strong but even after a day it mellows significantly. It really works beautifully with the peanut butter. Gives that delicate floral sort of taste to it but is evened out by the peanut butter. Sweetened by the Marshmallow and Vanilla Swirl.

I'm gonna give a new batch a try tomorrow, I've just missed this stuff so much!






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[Dogeggs]

The Marshmallow in it is from Flavour Art, got a bottle yesterday and it's def the right one.

 

[nicobeak]

Thanks guys, that's good info to have. Will be ordering honeysuckle and FA marsh in the future

 

[nicobeak]

Although, I do question the toasted marsh. I used to make a mix with 8% TFA toasted marsh in it, and I feel like I can taste it from a mile away. I don't get it from M&H, but maybe the other ingredients change it.

 

[thefleck]

I agree, and I will be ordering the flavors Nicobeak is using and hope he'll do the same. Unfortunately, most of my current funds are going towards untimely car repairs.
However I find it interesting that we both feel like we're getting close with such different recipes.
I hope you join us! I'd say order all the ingredients we've tried so far and see for yourself! It's a very complex and paradoxically simple mix, who knows where we stand.
Oh and be sure to have a few bottles of actual Milk and Honey on hand to compare with. If you have a tank or RBA you don't use regularly, designate it to the real stuff for your comparisons.

Thanks Dr, will do. Are any of the ingredients you're using interchangeable in your opinions? ie, Marshmallow? Or is the difference intentional. Kind of new to DIY and learning all the brands.

 

[DrLucky]

Thanks Dr, will do. Are any of the ingredients you're using interchangeable in your opinions? ie, Marshmallow? Or is the difference intentional. Kind of new to DIY and learning all the brands.

I've tried CAP LA and TFA marshmallow (FA is on the "to order' list) and CAP's is the worst so far. LA is ok, but my favorite, for this recipe anyway, has been TFA. My batches in the future will be with TFA until I get to try FA's.

The Graham crackers are a bit different. Im currently trying to get the spicy not from CAP's but it's a bit over powering even at 0.5% still. I plan to bump it down to 0.3% next batch.

I haven't tried many different brands of the other's yet.
I'm curious to see if a commercial company like Cosmic Fog would use multiple brands of flavors or if they pick their favorite and make all their recipes from that brand only.
I'm also fairly new to DIY (2-3 months maybe) but as far as I can tell, FA seems to be the best "quality"

I think the brands of PG VG and NIC have a lot to do with taste as well, but I haven't run out of my first 500 and 100 ML bottles of Wizard Lab's to warrent ordering any others.
If anyone else can suggest premium brands of PG VG and NIC to get next time, I would definitely appreciate it.

 

[tc1]

I strongly recommend you look at TFA Toasted Almond if you want to make something similar to Milk and Honey. (Try it at 3-5%)

I find replacing Pistachio with Toasted Almond in my RWhy4 derivatives gives me that "honey oat" flavor.

 

[thefleck]

I've tried CAP LA and TFA marshmallow (FA is on the "to order' list) and CAP's is the worst so far. LA is ok, but my favorite, for this recipe anyway, has been TFA. My batches in the future will be with TFA until I get to try FA's.

The Graham crackers are a bit different. Im currently trying to get the spicy not from CAP's but it's a bit over powering even at 0.5% still. I plan to bump it down to 0.3% next batch.

I haven't tried many different brands of the other's yet.
I'm curious to see if a commercial company like Cosmic Fog would use multiple brands of flavors or if they pick their favorite and make all their recipes from that brand only.
I'm also fairly new to DIY (2-3 months maybe) but as far as I can tell, FA seems to be the best "quality"

I think the brands of PG VG and NIC have a lot to do with taste as well, but I haven't run out of my first 500 and 100 ML bottles of Wizard Lab's to warrent ordering any others.
If anyone else can suggest premium brands of PG VG and NIC to get next time, I would definitely appreciate it.

Great explanation. Thanks Lucky.

In other news, I think I might have a slight allergy to TFA's PB. Vaped some alone yesterday to narrow down this itchiness and I think it's the peanut. Will have to do some more tests to confirm. I can't seem to make it through an afternoon without trying a million different flavors. DIY is so fun!