Cloud chasing and sub ohm foolishness

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Zak Rabbit

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Sweet...

I knew a Girl that live on the Street that the 5 Crowns was/is on. She Finally caught on that I was just Using her for her Drive Way. LOL

Crystal Cove is just about 10 minutes South on PCH from your Dad. You park on the Bluff and then walk down a Hill to the Sand.

A Nice Beach if you Pack Light and want some place Quite on a Week Day.

It's about where they used to have horses, right? South of the date shake place.

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I'm starting to think of sub-ohm vaping like deep fried turkeys. If it's done right you get a very tasty meal, if you don't know what you're doing you catch your house on fire. The key is to know what you're doing.

Yeah... There is that.

I also think that there is a Group of People who want something more Like Smoke than Vapor when it comes to an e-Cigarette Hit.

This is Nothing New. Back on the Day it was 5v with a LR Atty.

Me, I'm fine with DIY Mixes at 3.9~4.2 volts on a 2.8 ohm CE2. But To each Their Own.
 

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It's about where they used to have horses, right? South of the date shake place.

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Just a Tad farther South of where the Date Shake Stand was. Right before you hit the Bend and see the First Houses of Laguna.

It was always called Crystal Cove. Then they called it Reef Point State Beach for awhile. Now they seem to be calling it Crystal Cove again. LOL

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BTW - It has a Nice Break that is virtually Rock Free. So it is Very Body Surf and Kid Friendly.

Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely have to check it out. The body surfing comment was the kicker;I don't do so well on those fiberglass sticks...;)

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Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely have to check it out. The body surfing comment was the kicker;I don't do so well on those fiberglass sticks...;)

As a kid I used to body surf The Wedge...surprised I can still walk sometimes.

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To continue the analogy, the issue isn't with someone who hears about deep fried turkey, looks up a recipe, buys the right equipment, and learns how to do it properly. The issue is with someone who watches a commercial about a deep fried turkey, then says "Hey! I can do that," and drops a frozen turkey in a pot of hot oil on their stove.

Also, there are enough new vapers trying it out for it to be a concern. Almost all of the ones who post here are looking for info, that's a good thing. For every one that posts though, I'd wager there are hundreds who don't know this place exists, and if no one is teaching them; there will be problems.

And to the OP's point, I have no clue what the deal is with cloud chasing. I tweak my coils to get the best vape I can, which doesn't include instantly exhaling to see a giant cloud. I want that vapor/nic/flavor, it's mine.
 

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Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely have to check it out. The body surfing comment was the kicker;I don't do so well on those fiberglass sticks...;)

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The Wedge at Low Tide with a Swell is like Sub-Ohm Vaping.

I got a Photo is "Surf" magazine when I was in High School (1976) dropping in on an 18 Foot Wall on a Kick Board.

What they didn't show was what I looked like afterwards when I Bottomed Out Face First and then was sucked back out thru the Car Wash. LOL

A Kick Board and a Pair of Fins. Sounds like a Great Day at Crystal Cove.
 

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I'm starting to think of sub-ohm vaping like deep fried turkeys. If it's done right you get a very tasty meal, if you don't know what you're doing you catch your house on fire. The key is to know what you're doing.

There's a big difference though -- people actually do catch their houses on fire deep frying turkeys.
 

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The Wedge at Low Tide with a Swell is like Sub-Ohm Vaping.

I got a Photo is "Surf" magazine when I was in High School (1976) dropping in on an 18 Foot Wall on a Kick Board.

What they didn't show was what I looked like afterwards when I Bottomed Out Face First and then was sucked back out thru the Car Wash. LOL

A Kick Board and a Pair of Fins. Sounds like a Great Day at Crystal Cove.

My friends and I used to see who could ride the longest before wussing out and "pull out." I've done my share of bellyflopping into the sand...

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There's a big difference though -- people actually do catch their houses on fire deep frying turkeys.

You're right, something would have to go terribly terribly wrong for you to catch your house on fire with a short/battery failure. Killing a battery, or having it vent is still not something I'd like to have happen.

I have an idea, how about you get a no name battery from one of the mech kits being sold, make a "coil" going straight from the positive to negative post with no loops in an atty of your choice, put it on a cheap mech and fire it for about 10 seconds straight; then let us know what happens.

*Please don't actually try this.
 

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My friends and I used to see who could ride the longest before wussing out and "pull out." I've done my share of bellyflopping into the sand...

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The Wedge Was Brutal at Low Tide.

You could look down a Sheer Wall of Water and see Sand and Rocks in the tow. It wasn't like you "Dropped In", it was more like a Free Fall with 2 feet of Water at the Bottom.

I Swam and played Water Polo in HS. The Wedge was about the Only Place I have ever been afraid to be in the Water when the Waves were Double Height. Or More.

Man... That sure was a Long Time Ago. LOL
 

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You're right, something would have to go terribly terribly wrong for you to catch your house on fire with a short/battery failure. Killing a battery, or having it vent is still not something I'd like to have happen.

Ha, nice strawman, the catching the house on fire is your turkey analogy. Violent venting or exploding is still exceedingly rare and actually more common with standard-resistance setups.

I have an idea, how about you get a no name battery from one of the mech kits being sold, make a "coil" going straight from the positive to negative post with no loops in an atty of your choice, put it on a cheap mech and fire it for about 10 seconds straight; then let us know what happens.

*Please don't actually try this.

Why would I do that? Hurr durr why don't we throw a battery in a fire!
 

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I have a 26 year relationship with electronics, actually longer if you count elective classes in high school.

What the HECK are you guys trying to do other than kill yourselves?

No reason that I know to go sub ohm for performance, look to ohms law, its all there.

If you use 2 wraps of 32 gage kanthal, guess what you get high current and burn the crap out of your wick and it will taste disgusting, or be short lived before tasting disgusting. This is not opinion, but easy to figure out.
So at 2 wraps you have minimal coil to wick contact, the coil is going to burn crazy hot, and ruin your wick, your battery, and worst case, your vented battery and ruin your mod.

How to do it better.

If you look to the devices on the market, 1.8-2.0 ohm is "low resistance" so go with that as safe.

If you are going single coil use lower resistance (smaller) kanthal to make more wraps on your coil. This should create more coil to wick contact and give more vapor. I am pretty sure that 1.5 to 2 amps is the sweet spot for vaping anything higher is just burnt taste no matter the volume of vapor.

If you are doing a dual coil setup, use higher resistance wire. A rule of thumb two identical resistances in parallel effectively half themselves. If you build two 3 ohm coils and put them in parallel they will effectively be 1.5 ohms. Two coils at 1.5 ohms should give you enough wick to coil contact to fill a room with vapor.

Just my 2 cents.

If you don't understand electricity, it will bite you.

Vape on my brothers and sisters!

I agree some of what you are saying However you cannot judge a vaper for the wattage they use... taste is subjective.

That being said: you are really stressing the batteries with a sub ohm mech, and the chances of a dead short are increased due to coil size and the high amount energy applied.

However, some people like a 21 watt vape (4.1 at .8 ohm=21.025w). Nothing wrong with that. And perhaps there will be more regulated devices on the market that can go above 20 watts in the future (at higher resistance- would would provide a better margin of reliability).

My objection isn't the wattage. It's the method used to get there, and the possible consequences. Slim as the risks may be... if someone is going to get their face blown off, or hand roasted at 250c- it's more likely with a sub ohm coil and high energy density battery.
 
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