When I went to the St. Louis Vapefest in 2010 it was filled with middle-aged hippies like me, it was a bunch of people that had gotten desperate and werem't afraid of doing something a tad bit risky it seemed at the time. Heck, I have always believed a lot of the modders are former stoners, who else could come up with new designs for improving a hit? Now........well, its gotten commercial (look at some of these juice vendors) and norms and the youth have filtered in and probably outnumber us old-timers and they are like most americans - over-privileged and impatient, expecting results immediately and whining to high heaven (I am familiar with that process!!!

) when things don't go right and its a refrain that has gotten repeated so often that I have beome immune. Jeez, every day there is a post about someone .....ing either about the minimum post rule or the classys requirements, they don't bother to read the 500+ threads with the same damned subject -- t
he mod-makers spend half their day responding to stupid stuff from people now. That's why I stopped helping in the GG subforum tbh, I got tired of people not doing a danged thread search and stop asking the same questions. Also, ECF was looser then (and in a very entertaining war with VF) , now it is tightly controlled and their lack of fun is evident to a lot of us..........sigh..........I sound like an old man..........