Compatibility between battery chargers

[Jason McRoy]

Hello everyone! This will probably be my last new thread in the new member forum as I noticed that I am approaching 70 posts as of this writing.

Anyway, I have been reading some information regarding using a charger from one battery brand to another and that harming the battery.

I bought a starter kit from a local vendor with their brand name on it. I don't know if this is an E go type batt or something else. It is a manual battery and I have one that is 900mAH and one that is 650mAH. They both also have a USB pass-through in case that helps identify it.

My concern is that I know in the future I will have to replace these batts at some point and I am concerned about whether I can use my existing charger if I get a new batt. I would like to get a 1100mAH batt for my next purchase but I am wondering if I will be better off just buying a new starter kit with it's charger or what.

Also, the carts that came with the kit, the guy told me are 1.6ohms. If I order new carts online would it be safest to stick to the 1.6ohms at stated for the cart I would be ordering or can I go safely to a different resistance?

Thanks in advance!

-Jason

 

[bnrkwest]

Is the passthru charging point on the bottom of the batts? Or do they charge from the top of batts. Sounds like an ego type. From what I understand you you need to be sure the wall charger has a lower mAh rating than your batt for safe charging, but I hope an ego expert shows up and sets us straight on that! I did use an ego passthru but I always use the charger cord that came with the batt. Except I did use a wall charger with the passthru I had, it was made especially for ego passthru's. Wall charger has a lower Mah rating than the batt. Ego's have been known to blow up so I don't take chances with them I change them in a cake pan, or a battery bag would be great. So best to use the right charger on the right batt. bnrk

 

[Jason McRoy]

Is the passthru charging point on the bottom of the batts? Or do they charge from the top of batts. Sounds like an ego type. From what I understand you you need to be sure the wall charger has a lower mAh rating than your batt for safe charging, but I hope an ego expert shows up and sets us straight on that! I did use an ego passthru but I always use the charger cord that came with the batt. Except I did use a wall charger with the passthru I had, it was made especially for ego passthru's. Wall charger has a lower Mah rating than the batt. Ego's have been known to blow up so I don't take chances with them I change them in a cake pan, or a battery bag would be great. So best to use the right charger on the right batt. bnrk

Thanks for your response. The pass thru is on the top of the batt. I didn't mention this in my original post but it is also a manual batt as is common on this style.

 

[Caridwen]

What does it say on your battery charger?

 

[the_vape_nerd]

We really need to know the manufacturer on this charging issue.

As for cartos you can probably buy some higher than 1.6ohm but I wouldn't go higher than say 2.0-2.4 ohm. If you buy anything lower, they are just going to tax the battery and I don't think you'd see any improved performance. I'm assumnig you have a 510 connection. Pictures would help us identify this.

 

[Jason McRoy]

Here are the pics I took. The one is one of the cartomizers that came with the kit, the top is the 900mAH batt and the bottom is the 650mAH batt. Then I have the overview of the AC outlet charger and then a close up of the sticker showing the specifications. Any help and input would be awesome!



-Jason

 

[Jason McRoy]

Bumping this one- anyone?

 

[sailorman]

Yes you can use that charger for a larger battery as long as the new battery has the same 510 attachment and the positive is in the same place (the center post of the battery connector). It's a standard 4.2 volt, 420mah eGo type charger that will work on kGos or any eGo style battery with a 510 connector except the VGo, which uses an 808 connector. The only difference if you get a larger battery is that it will take longer to charge. If you get the same brand of battery, it will definitely work. Those look like rebranded eGo batteries.

 

[spaceballsrules]

As sailorman said, that charger will work on all eGo, KGO, Riva 510, etc. batteries that are rated 650 mah and higher.

As far as cartos go, there is a plethora of choices. I wouldn't go much lower than 1.6 ohms, but you can definitely go higher if you find 1.6 to be too hot for you. You could also try single coil cartos and see how you like those as well. Lots of choices.....

 

[Jason McRoy]

Yes you can use that charger for a larger battery as long as the new battery has the same 510 attachment and the positive is in the same place (the center post of the battery connector). It's a standard 4.2 volt, 420mah eGo type charger that will work on kGos or any eGo style battery with a 510 connector except the VGo, which uses an 808 connector. The only difference if you get a larger battery is that it will take longer to charge. If you get the same brand of battery, it will definitely work. Those look like rebranded eGo batteries.

Thank you! I thought that is what they were.

I was actually looking at the ego-c twist batt as a potential introduction into the VV style batts. Since I have limited funds I don't want to spend needlessly and I need to get something solid or just stick with what I have at the moment. I am still doing research at the moment though.

-Jason

 

[Jason McRoy]

As sailorman said, that charger will work on all eGo, KGO, Riva 510, etc. batteries that are rated 650 mah and higher.

As far as cartos go, there is a plethora of choices. I wouldn't go much lower than 1.6 ohms, but you can definitely go higher if you find 1.6 to be too hot for you. You could also try single coil cartos and see how you like those as well. Lots of choices.....

I have been reading quite a bit tonight on the single coil carts as a possible choice to see what difference it may make. I am still so new to all this. Thanks.

-Jason

 

[Mark Conway]

Honestly for a cost point of view the ego twist is I think the best costing "gateway" VV device out at the moment. For about $20ish it is substantially cheaper than a lot of other VV's out there and gives a nice easy way to change the voltage.

I am spewin I got my kit when I did, if I had of waited 2 weeks or so longer the twist would have been available and I would have got it rather than the standard ego-c kit.

Good luck with the rest of your research!

 

[sailorman]

Thank you! I thought that is what they were.

I was actually looking at the ego-c twist batt as a potential introduction into the VV style batts. Since I have limited funds I don't want to spend needlessly and I need to get something solid or just stick with what I have at the moment. I am still doing research at the moment though.

-Jason

I would suggest an apolloecigs.com Lavatube for a great introduction to VV at a fantastic price. They have a 30% off sale with coupon code "Vtube30". You can get a complete Lavatube kit for $50, including two batteries, charger, atty and case, free shipping and a 1 year warranty.

I have one of these myself and I've been very happy with it. It's very newbie friendly and will adjust your voltage down if you put the wrong resistance atomizer in it, so you don't pop your coil. It has +/- buttons to change voltage instead of a tiny dial with numbers you can't see without a microscope. It even has reverse polarity protection for if you put the battery in backwards.

Unlike the Twist, it is a full range, 3V-6V PV with a digital readout. It has a battery level readout and includes two 2000mah batteries so you can go 18 hours or more between charges. You won't need to vape a backup while you wait for it to charge, and you won't have to throw it away when the battery wears out.

For some reason, a PV that is basically disposable doesn't seem to fit the word "solid".
Joytech itself estimates the life of their eGos to be 6 months. I wouldn't want a PV that was scheduled by design to last 6 months, or even a year.

The Vtube/Lavatube is available in black, red or silver aluminum for $50 and a Chrome plated copper version is $10 more. A full stainless steel model with an eGo compatible connector is $73. Apollo is a great vendor with excellent customer service. You can extend the warranty for 3 years for $10 at Squaretrade.com

If you are looking for a good intro to VV, you can't beat $50 shipped for a full Lavatube kit.

 

[NGIB]

I'll echo Sailorman here - I received my 2nd VTube in the mail yesterday that is a birthday present for my son. A well built unit and a great kit for the price - Apollo ships very fast as well. I use mine with Resurrector cartos and it performs like it should. Spare batteries are 1/3rd the cost of eGo style batteries as well...

 

[Jason McRoy]

I would suggest an apolloecigs.com Lavatube for a great introduction to VV at a fantastic price. They have a 30% off sale with coupon code "Vtube30". You can get a complete Lavatube kit for $50, including two batteries, charger, atty and case, free shipping and a 1 year warranty.

I have one of these myself and I've been very happy with it. It's very newbie friendly and will adjust your voltage down if you put the wrong resistance atomizer in it, so you don't pop your coil. It has +/- buttons to change voltage instead of a tiny dial with numbers you can't see without a microscope. It even has reverse polarity protection for if you put the battery in backwards.

Unlike the Twist, it is a full range, 3V-6V PV with a digital readout. It has a battery level readout and includes two 2000mah batteries so you can go 18 hours or more between charges. You won't need to vape a backup while you wait for it to charge, and you won't have to throw it away when the battery wears out.

For some reason, a PV that is basically disposable doesn't seem to fit the word "solid".
Joytech itself estimates the life of their eGos to be 6 months. I wouldn't want a PV that was scheduled by design to last 6 months, or even a year.

The Vtube/Lavatube is available in black, red or silver aluminum for $50 and a Chrome plated copper version is $10 more. A full stainless steel model with an eGo compatible connector is $73. Apollo is a great vendor with excellent customer service. You can extend the warranty for 3 years for $10 at Squaretrade.com

If you are looking for a good intro to VV, you can't beat $50 shipped for a full Lavatube kit.

Thank you. I am now checking out the Lavatube. That seems like a really good deal for $50.00 plus the free shipping.

From what I see, that set up will work with my mega dual-coil carts right?

I am potentially interested in a single coil cart and have been searching. I am not sure what I am looking for but I know what I like about the mega dual coil is the amount of juice they hold at one time. I have read some information that makes me want to try a single coil but I can't seem to find any that hold more than 1.6ml or so of juice at a time. Any suggestions on that one?

Thanks

-Jason

 

[Jason McRoy]

I would suggest an apolloecigs.com Lavatube for a great introduction to VV at a fantastic price. They have a 30% off sale with coupon code "Vtube30". You can get a complete Lavatube kit for $50, including two batteries, charger, atty and case, free shipping and a 1 year warranty.

I have one of these myself and I've been very happy with it. It's very newbie friendly and will adjust your voltage down if you put the wrong resistance atomizer in it, so you don't pop your coil. It has +/- buttons to change voltage instead of a tiny dial with numbers you can't see without a microscope. It even has reverse polarity protection for if you put the battery in backwards.

Unlike the Twist, it is a full range, 3V-6V PV with a digital readout. It has a battery level readout and includes two 2000mah batteries so you can go 18 hours or more between charges. You won't need to vape a backup while you wait for it to charge, and you won't have to throw it away when the battery wears out.

For some reason, a PV that is basically disposable doesn't seem to fit the word "solid".
Joytech itself estimates the life of their eGos to be 6 months. I wouldn't want a PV that was scheduled by design to last 6 months, or even a year.

The Vtube/Lavatube is available in black, red or silver aluminum for $50 and a Chrome plated copper version is $10 more. A full stainless steel model with an eGo compatible connector is $73. Apollo is a great vendor with excellent customer service. You can extend the warranty for 3 years for $10 at Squaretrade.com

If you are looking for a good intro to VV, you can't beat $50 shipped for a full Lavatube kit.

Hey Sailorman- I want to verify with you I am looking at the correct kit. I went to your link and saw the Vtube starter kit. It looks like it only comes with one battery (1 high capacity 18650 rechargeable battery for the Regular VTube). Is that the one you are talking about? I looked around their site and I couldn't find anything else similar to what you are talking about.

I am ready to order this one but I want to make sure I am getting the right item.

-Thanks

 

[sailorman]

The starter kits come with 2 batteries. What you are seeing is a statement that it uses one battery, not that one battery is included.

From the description:

The Apollo VTube Kit comes with the following:

1 variable voltage regular (5 inches) or mini vtube(3.75 inches)
1 black Apollo Leather Carry Case
2 high capacity 18650 rechargeable batteries for the Regular VTube, or 18350 for the Mini VTube
1 battery charger
1 drip tip
1 3.0 ohm high resistance 510 atomizer

About the cartos. The Vtube, and all first generation Lavatubes, come with a 2.5amp limit. This means that if your cartomizer or atomizer draws more than 2.5amps at the voltage you select, it will automatically adjust the voltage down so that the current draw does not exceed 2.5amps.

To figure what draws over 2.5 amps, you apply this formula: Amps = Volts/ohms

In practical terms, this means that a 1.5ohm cartomizer, whether it's a dual or single coil, will case it to reduce your voltage to 3.7V, regardless of what voltage you set. It doesn't know that the 1.5ohm dual coil has two 3ohm coils in it. It thinks you are about to pop a 1.5ohm single coil and it's adjusting the voltage down because you really shouldn't use a 1.5ohm coil with more than 3.7V.

So, some people say you can't use a dual coil cartomizer. Ironically, those same people will argue that a 1.5ohm dual coil works perfectly fine on their 3.4V egos. So, how can it be that a dual coil will work on a 3.4V ego, but not a 3.7V Lavatube? Beats me.. The best thing to do is use 3ohm cartomizers or atomizers. Then you don't have to worry about it and you can use the full range of available voltages.

You can use a 2ohm carto up to 5 volts. You can use a 2.5ohm carto up to 6 volts, but 3ohm cartos are easier to find.

 

[sailorman]

...
I am potentially interested in a single coil cart and have been searching. I am not sure what I am looking for but I know what I like about the mega dual coil is the amount of juice they hold at one time. I have read some information that makes me want to try a single coil but I can't seem to find any that hold more than 1.6ml or so of juice at a time. Any suggestions on that one?

Thanks

-Jason

There are clearomizers that hold more. Here's one: Vision 3.5ml 2.8-3.0 Ohm Clearomizer

Here's one a little smaller: http://http://www.madvapes.com/Vision-25ml-28-30-Ohm-Clearomizer_p_3415.html

This works great on a Lavatube. Fits like it was made for it and the atomizer heads are replaceable for about $3.
Vision 5ml Nova Tank Clearomizer, V2

 

[Jason McRoy]

The starter kits come with 2 batteries. What you are seeing is a statement that it uses one battery, not that one battery is included.

From the description:


About the cartos. The Vtube, and all first generation Lavatubes, come with a 2.5amp limit. This means that if your cartomizer or atomizer draws more than 2.5amps at the voltage you select, it will automatically adjust the voltage down so that the current draw does not exceed 2.5amps.

To figure what draws over 2.5 amps, you apply this formula: Amps = Volts/ohms

In practical terms, this means that a 1.5ohm cartomizer, whether it's a dual or single coil, will case it to reduce your voltage to 3.7V, regardless of what voltage you set. It doesn't know that the 1.5ohm dual coil has two 3ohm coils in it. It thinks you are about to pop a 1.5ohm single coil and it's adjusting the voltage down because you really shouldn't use a 1.5ohm coil with more than 3.7V.

So, some people say you can't use a dual coil cartomizer. Ironically, those same people will argue that a 1.5ohm dual coil works perfectly fine on their 3.4V egos. So, how can it be that a dual coil will work on a 3.4V ego, but not a 3.7V Lavatube? Beats me.. The best thing to do is use 3ohm cartomizers or atomizers. Then you don't have to worry about it and you can use the full range of available voltages.

You can use a 2ohm carto up to 5 volts. You can use a 2.5ohm carto up to 6 volts, but 3ohm cartos are easier to find.

Hmmm.... I must be looking in the wrong place. I just refreshed the website and clicked again on the starter kit section and here is the description I see:

The Apollo VTube Kit comes with the following (copied and pasted):

1 variable voltage regular (5 inches) or mini vtube(3.75 inches)
1 black Apollo Leather Carry Case
1 high capacity 18650 rechargeable battery for the Regular VTube, or 18350 for the Mini VTube
1 battery charger
1 drip tip
1 3.0 ohm high resistance 510 atomizer

Thanks for the other information on the resistances and such. I should probably order a few carts to go with it. The ones I currently have are all 1.5 ohm mega dual coil.

-Jason

 

[sailorman]

Oh MAN!! I had the window open in my browser since last night. I just refreshed it and, sure enough, they changed it to one battery.

That's a blessing in disguise anyway. The included battery is o.k.. I use it and have had no problems. But you can get the best battery on the face of the planet for $8-10.

Go to SuperTmanufacturing.com or Orbtronic.com and find the Panasonic CGR18650CH battery. It's 2250mah and blows the socks off of any IMR battery out there, including the much revered AW battery. It's a deal and the perfect battery for the Lavatube.

SuperT only charges $2.09 for shipping. You can probably find the big cartomizers or clearomizers there too and save some shipping charges.

Here's a link to SuperTmanufacturing. They charge $8.84 for the battery and $2.09 for shipping. It's on the top row in the middle:
Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products.

If you can't find cartomizers at SuperT, get the battery at Orbtronic. $7.99 with FREE shipping:
CGR18650CH Panasonic 18650 Li-Mn-Li-ion CGR18650CH High Drain 10A Rechargeable IMR Hybrid Battery Cell