Completely Frustrated With The Burnt Taste

[SZBeauty]

Hey all!

So I purchased the Captain PD270 with a Crown 3 tank. It came with two coils, .25 and .50. I got the Crown 3 because of all the raving I read about here in the forum when it comes to flavor.

However, BOTH coils developed a burnt taste in the first day or two. I'm trying to work with this coil because it's the last one and I can't get another until next week. The burning is intermittent (not on every single pull). Sometimes I get it right and then about 10 pulls later, it's tasting burnt again.

PRIMING:
I put juice on the outside, a little on the inside, let it sit, dry pulls when I put it in the tank with the airholes only the slightest bit open, then wait about an hour or two before taking my first hit.

WATTAGE:
At first, I stayed within the coil allowance 80w-90w. Then I thought, hell, maybe it's too high and turned it down to about 70w. Sometimes that worked for a few pulls, then went back to the dry hits. Never been above 87w.

CLEANING:
Soaked the coil in hot water last night, took it out to dry this morning. Just put it back in. Crazy burnt taste (worse than before) leaving me to wonder why I did that in the first place

COTTON:
Used the end of a staple to put tiny holes in each cotton section. Didn't help at all.

TIGHTENING:
Loosened the tank from the battery a bit, to make sure it wasn't too tight. Loosened the glass part from the airhole part a bit to make sure that wasn't too tight

juice:
I've tried so many different juices, thinking that was the problem. Most of the juices are 70/30. Should I consider that maybe from here on out stick to 60/40?

Any tips I haven't tried or is there something I am doing wrong? I really think I might be vaping wrong or something because this happened with my last mod/tank as well. (iStick/Cleito tank)

I was so excited to get this setup, but vaping is more of a hassle than a relief now because I never know when my lungs will be hit with hot smoke. Please, please help!

 

[Kilroy]

What I've done, and it works pretty well, is get my finger off the button. I hit it for a bit with no power to suck juice into the wick. I wait for an hour of so and it seems to have worked.

 

[SZBeauty]

What I've done, and it works pretty well, is get my finger off the button. I hit it for a bit with no power to suck juice into the wick. I wait for an hour of so and it seems to have worked.

I've been doing this constantly. It works sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes, also when I lean it/tilt it up it will work fine for a bit, but again, not consistently.

 

[stols001]

To avoid intermittent dry hits (I have to use Max VG with little MTL coils) I continue inhaling for several seconds after I release the fire button, and it seems to wick juice consistently up into my coil. Since you are getting intermittent dry hits I might try that for a while and see if it helps. Going to lower Vg/Pg mix might help as well. I don't have the Crown, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help if it's the coils. But, I do try extra hard to keep juice well wicked in my coil and that seems to help. Best of luck.

Anna

 

[SZBeauty]

I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage because what works more often than all the other strategies is turning it wayyy down, about 50s, hit it a few times, then turn it back up... it will work, but once the voltage starts crossing into the high 4s/early 5s, the burnt taste comes. I don't see any way to control voltage though without turning down wattage

 

[SZBeauty]

I continue inhaling for several seconds after I release the fire button, and it seems to wick juice consistently up into my coil.

Anna

This is something I haven't done! Thanks, Anna, I'll try this too

 

[SZBeauty]

A

To avoid intermittent dry hits (I have to use Max VG with little MTL coils) I continue inhaling for several seconds after I release the fire button, and it seems to wick juice consistently up into my coil.

Anna

Do you do this every time? Just as a part of normal vaping? or do I only need to do it a few times until it does it on its own? Or do I do this after a dry hit?

 

[stols001]

I do it every time. It just becomes a habit after a while. I don't get dry hits, but you don't want to flood your coil either and since yours are different, you may need to experiment. I was told that it would be hard to run 100% VG in a MTL tank, but I don't find it to be the case. I don't think I started doing it on purpose, exactly, either, but I enjoy a nice, long inhale and I don't need that amount of vapor, I think my starting point was just "Let me inhale and make sure all this lovely vapor goes into my mouth," but it does seem to help, and I mean it kind of makes sense that it would.... Did I invent the primer's inhale??? LOL. I doubt it very highly, but I don't remember reading about it on here.

Anna

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Airflow through the head is the cooling system, too little = burnt taste.
Restrict the airflow too much = burnt, you have to move a lot of air through the head to keep it cool.
Crown 3 is a DTL (direct to lung) type delivery device, trying to MTL (mouth to lung) will not pull enough air flow through it to cool the head.
DTL hard fast deep inhale into lungs - MTL smooth longer collect vapor in mouth then inhale.
What Nic mg/ml are you using?

The watt range on the head is a suggestion not an actual guideline unless you like buying heads frequently.
Turn the power down, way down, start low and gradually work your way up taking a vape or three on each setting until you find what you like. You do not have to use the silly recommended watt range.
Usually after you get a burnt hit the head is toast nothing will get rid of the burnt taste until you thoroughly prime a new head & replace it.
Prime new heads by dripping drops of liquid on all exposed wicking material until fully saturated.
Not just a couple drops, saturated.
Always start a new/unused thoroughly primed head at a low watt range & gradually increase power over the at least first half tank.

Dark or colored and especially sweet liquids tend to clog wicking material gunk coils & give funky, off, burnt taste rapidly.

Wattage & voltage are linked together, no way to adjust one without the other.
If it works best for you at 30W or whatever power range, that is where you should use it.

 

[SZBeauty]

Airflow through the head is the cooling system, too little = burnt taste.
Restrict the airflow too much = burnt, you have to move a lot of air through the head to keep it cool.
Crown 3 is a DTL (direct to lung) type delivery device, trying to MTL (mouth to lung) will not pull enough air flow through it to cool the head.
DTL hard fast deep inhale into lungs - MTL smooth longer collect vapor in mouth then inhale.
What Nic mg/ml are you using?

The watt range on the head is a suggestion not an actual guideline unless you like buying heads frequently.
Turn the power down, way down, start low and gradually work your way up taking a vape or three on each setting until you find what you like. You do not have to use the silly recommended watt range.
Usually after you get a burnt hit the head is toast nothing will get rid of the burnt taste until you thoroughly prime a new head & replace it.
Prime new heads by dripping drops of liquid on all exposed wicking material until fully saturated.
Not just a couple drops, saturated.
Always start a new/unused thoroughly primed head at a low watt range & gradually increase power over the at least first half tank.

Dark or colored and especially sweet liquids tend to clog wicking material gunk coils & give funky, off, burnt taste rapidly.

Wattage & voltage are linked together, no way to adjust one without the other.
If it works best for you at 30W or whatever power range, that is where you should use it.

OMG, so much good information. Okay, I'd like your input on something. I realized that every time I refill it to the top (even if it's already pretty full which it has been) it works for a few pulls before the burnt taste. I was just about to refill a little again when I realized it might just be taking off the mouthpiece that's doing it. I was RIGHT. I opened the mouthpiece, then screwed it back on.... no burnt taste for about 10 hits. Burnt taste came back, loosened the mouthpiece and retightened... no burnt taste again. Why is this? And how can I make it stay that way?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Sounds as if the tank isn't building up the negative pressure required to force liquid into the wicking material.
Too soft of an inhale, again this is a DTL type delivery device, airflow wide open or very close to it, hard fast deep inhale.
Missing, damaged, out of place o ring that won't seal good enough to keep negative pressure.
Scorched wicking material closest to the coil(s) cause slow intermittent wicking, insufficient wicking = dryish burnt hits. Time to thoroughly prime & install new head.
Old head o ring stuck in base, causing head not to sit in base properly, causes top cap not to seal correctly.

Hate to say it, Sounds typical from my experience with the crown 3, in my opinion a very disappointing 'tank'.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

That's probably a vacuum lock, which happens when air cannot get into the tank to fill the space left when you vaporize the juice and take in the vapor. Try opening the airflow on the tank.

You can't use the Crown III without a very airy draw.

Edit to add: The Crown III is a direct-to-lung delivery system. You can't take a puff like one would with a cigarette. With a cigarette, you use your cheeks, tongue and jaw to draw the smoke in and then inhale. That is what we call MTL, or mouth-to-lung, vaping.

The Crown and most other "advanced" tanks are direct-lung or direct-to-lung systems. Using then is like inhaling through a straw. The faster you do it, the more air and liquid move through the coil's chamber. If the coil can't keep up with the user's lung suction, not enough juice is present to vaporize. The metal in the coil overheats and toasts (and ruins) the cotton.

 

[SZBeauty]

That's probably a vacuum lock, which happens when air cannot get into the tank to fill the space left when you vaporize the juice and take in the vapor. Try opening the airflow on the tank.

You can't use the Crown III without a very airy draw.

Airflow is always wide open with DTL hits . Is there anything else that can fix a vacuum lock?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

That's got me stumped. I don't own a Crown III but I do use a variety of sub-Ohm tanks. I would recommend following @Topwater Elvis' advice and back the wattage down. Somewhere around 30-40 Watts might do the trick--maybe that coil can't keep up with you.

Immediately after you take a pleasant hit, can you see small air bubbles escaping through the wick holes in the coil?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I'd bet you at least scorched the wicking material by using too much power, nothing besides replacing the head with a new / unused head will fix it.
After it is scorched it will never wick properly, it might work okay intermittently.

Always fully saturate the wicking material, always start off a new thoroughly primed head at a lower power setting (with some 'tanks that may be half of the recommended watt range), always gradually raise power over at least the first half tank to prevent scorching / burning, you should see bubbles rise from the wicking holes, stop raising power when you find the vape quality you're looking for / find your sweet spot.

Never assume you'll like highly recommended vape related gear of any kind, or even be able to get a half decent vape from what anyone else raves about.
Vaping is all about individual preferences what one or a thousand people love may not work for you at all.

If you've had similar issues with differing set ups likely the problem is user error of some sort.

Are you using dark or colored or sweet or NET/WTA liquids?
What Nic mg/ml?
Are you blasting a semi primed head with 70w right from the start?
Do you understand DTL is a hard fast deep all at once inhale?
Ever watched a youtoobe of a blower of clouds bro type video...
Have you made sure all o rings are in place & undamaged and there isn't one stuck in the base where the head goes?

 

[Beamslider]

MTL at 80 watts? Seems not the way to go.

 

[Obi Wan Vapori]

That's probably a vacuum lock, which happens when air cannot get into the tank to fill the space left when you vaporize the juice and take in the vapor. Try opening the airflow on the tank.

What he said.
I have a Aspire cleato exo that I will be vaping along on and the flavor just vanishes (no dry hits yet). When it does that I just crack the top of the tank enough to let some air in and then close it back up. Flavor and clouds return. I chain vape and I think that some of these new tanks just are not happy with that kind of use.

 

[suprtrkr]

Yeah, +1. Sounds like your tank isn't well sealed and isn't wicking well.

 

[SZBeauty]

- I never vape MTL, always DTL
- Nic strength - 3 mg
- I prime the coil by fully saturating it, letting it sit for about an hour and start vaping at around 30, vaping 2-3 times then increasing by 5-6 watts. repeat until hitting the min. wattage for the coil
- turning it down to 30-40 watts sometimes works for a few pulls, then back to the burnt taste
- there's only one space to see one of the wicks w/ this tank, but just took a pleasant hit and looked... no bubbles
- This is probably normal, but when I take off the mouthpiece for a second, smoke is coming out the middle. Then, when I put it back on. Vape flavour returns just fine for a few more pulls

 

[LikelySplash710]

Maybe try building different coils or using a different wire?