Comprehensive, E-cigarette review.

[wwfjdraw]

Follow up.

Please scroll down to answer the 3 questions that are in red. After reading the part in blue first.


Well you say there is no perfect E-cigarette yet, but we are close, infact really close, and with time we will get there. Basically the vapor king is the best in my eyes except for the fact that from what people are saying the Janty Dura C is the one to go with because it has a better vapor production.

I was really hoping for the vapor production to be really the same, for both the VK and the 510 because the idea of cartomizers is so appealing to me. I hear what everyone is saying and I AM looking at video reviews and still doing research on the different possibilities.

I hope that this forum will adapt and make a few changes since it's no secret that this forum is easy to get lost in the search for whatever it is that your looking for.

I do feel that we need topics like this for those who are just so undecided that they need to know that although there may not be a perfect E-cigarette, they need to know that as the saying goes "if a gun was pointed at your head right now, which would you choose". And why.

You've all been a great help, I agree that the best E-cigarettes are when based on the 3 main needs being:

1: Looks like a cigarette, (I really am willing to not care how big or small it is, I feel that I went overboard in that need.) Wether it's a micro, mini,, supermini, or VK size, there all the same to me. I really just didn't want something like a cigar, penstyle, pipe, or whatever montrosity people vapor with that does not in the slightest atleast resemple a real cigarette.
So when I made the original buy and do not buy lists, and undecided, all products mentioned had already met this need perfectly. Although if I had to choose a favorite based on looks, the V4 from minicigarette.net would be it. I must admit I am partial to all black as opposed to everything else. All black is the best in my opinion.

2: Vapor production. This means much more then looking all black (but still has to look like a real cigarette). However this is also as equally important as need number 3.

3: Cartridges, and in this need I am lookiing for 5 things that I think we all are or atleast a large amount of us:

A: When comparing the cartridges which ever gives a longer life is a plus.
B: When comparing the options, more then just tabacco flavor is a must, for me I desire chocolate,cherry, cola, ect...
C: if only uses disposable cartridges then atleast having the option of 16mg of nicotine is a must.
D: And last but certainly not least, Cartomizers. If all the above A,B, and C have been fullfilled and the needs of 1, 2, then if one of the E-cigarettes has an attomizer with each cartridge then even the better.

E: Lastly but not least all of the above and the price of cartomizer/cartridges the e-cigarette has to offer.

You can get pickier then that, but they way I say it there's no need, I think everyone basically for the most part feels the same way. If there is a product that does all this then that is the perfect product for me atleast and to most people who I talk to about the subject.

USB Passthroughs mean nothing to me, because to be honest 90% of the reason why I smoke is so that I can join people in public places like bars and what not who are real smokers and join in with them for social interaction. It's not really very easy to do that with your E-cigarette plugged into something now is it? Don't get me a wrong I'm sure it gives out the best vapor production in the world, but if I didn't care how I looked out in public with real smokers I wouldn't be making a list like this, I would just be getting the screwdriver, or asking which product on the ENTIRE market gives out the most vapor period!

In closing of this post, I really gotta say I was routing for the VK to be the best in vapor, and cost, cause it's the best in everything else.

From what I gathered my mind is still not made up. But for my own personal list, I only have 2 options to choose from.

1: VK
REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE: Gives out ok amount of vapor, cartomizers, looks like a real cigarette, has many flavors, has longer life of puffs/cigarette ratio compared to the Janty Dura C, is a two piece, and even if I choose to I can use e-liquid. Has LED light.

REASON WHY NOT: Does not give out from what I can see and hear in the reviews sections as much vapor as the Janty Dura C, costs more in cartomizers then Janty cartridges.

However even though VK is not as vapor productive as the Janty Dura C, unless I'm wrong and PLEASE IF I AM SOMEONE CORRECT ME!!! Unless I am wrong the VK is the best vapor producer second to the 510. Is that correct?
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2:The Janty Dura C.

REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE:
Is the best vapor producer that looks anything like a real cigarette from what I have seen and people continously keep telling me. Has many flavors. Is cheaper in cartridges then the VK. And CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, but can also be refilled using e-liquid.

REASONS WHY NOT: Does not use cartomizers, I know I'm new to this who thing, but to be honest it's nice just to think of something that is just a two piece and that I never have to mess around with. Never have to replace something that's wrong with it. Really the cartomizer thing is a big deal, atleast to me, and to many others.
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What I want from you the reader is to answer 3 things:



1: As always please tell me if anything I said was incorrect.


2: Even though Igetcha and everyone else is telling me that the best option is the Janty Dura C when in regards to vapor production, it would be nice to see someone vaping the 510 and the vk in the SAME video back and forth. Despite the advice given about watching videos of people smoking it does me no good to see one guy vaping a vk and to see a totally different person vaping a 510. Because I can't compare the two. Because maybe one guy vapes differently then the other guy does. Maybe he vapes less in inhale and therefore will produce less vaper no matter who he's compared to. So if the same person could vape them both and then in the video even give out THERE OWN opinion on THEIR OWN vaping which one is better, that would be the best.

3: It would be useful to members of this forum for the experts like Igetcha and everyone to mention what, (if any) parts are compatible with these two models from other e-cigarettes, especially cartridges, cartomizers.

For example is it possible to use a VK cartomizer with a 510? Or visa versa (aka other way around)? Even though there would be two attomizers on the 510 that way. Hey if that is possible and if there would be two attomizers that might turn out pretty cool for experimentiing! Maybe it would give more vapor production! Could be bad too, but I don't see how.
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And lastly I want to thank you all for your criticism, I took none of it as insulting, or bashing me in anyway, as always I welcome it. If I've said something wrong I want to be the first one to know about it so I can learn from my mistakes. More and more is always welcome, no hard feelings.
All that I ask is that you take this seriously, and answer my questions no matter how dumb they may seem.

Thank you.
Your friend in E-vaping.
The chain/chimeny smoker at heart.

PS. I've recieved several PM's from people telling me how gratefull this comparrative list has been and how it keeps getting smaller. This is great for people who are extremely as picky as I am, and want a cigarette bassed on the part that is in pink. And for that I tell them to PM you guys and to thank you. You guys are awesome.

 

[wegster]

Well you say there is no perfect E-cigarette yet, but we are close, infact really close, and with time we will get there. Basically the vapor king is the best in my eyes except for the fact that from what people are saying the Janty Dura C is the one to go with because it has a better vapor production.

I was really hoping for the vapor production to be really the same, for both the VK and the 510 because the idea of cartomizers is so appealing to me. I hear what everyone is saying and I AM looking at video reviews and still doing research on the different possibilities.

I've been smoking the VK/KR808D-1 since the last long comment in this thread by me, nearly non-stop, after punching a hole in one of the cart caps (silicon) to 'soften' the metal cart. It's consistent so far, meaning nearly every hit is the same. But, at least with the 16mg pre-filled cart (Mboro), nearly no throat hit. The vapor production is good, the draw is still noticeably lighter than the 510, but picking up the 510 randomly for another single comparison, the 510 has more vapor and throat hit. That's still unfair, because of the fluid differences, but, it is what it is right now, with what I have on hand.

You've all been a great help, I agree that the best E-cigarettes are when based on the 3 main needs being:

1: Looks like a cigarette, (I really am willing to not care how big or small it is, I feel that I went overboard in that need.) Wether it's a micro, mini,, supermini, or VK size, there all the same to me. I really just didn't want something like a cigar, penstyle, pipe, or whatever montrosity people vapor with that does not in the slightest atleast resemple a real cigarette.
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2: Vapor production. This means much more then looking all black (but still has to look like a real cigarette). However this is also as equally important as need number 3.

3: Cartridges, and in this need I am lookiing for 5 things that I think we all are or atleast a large amount of us:

A: When comparing the cartridges which ever gives a longer life is a plus.
B: When comparing the options, more then just tabacco flavor is a must, for me I desire chocolate,cherry, cola, ect...
C: if only uses disposable cartridges then atleast having the option of 16mg of nicotine is a must.
D: And last but certainly not least, Cartomizers. If all the above A,B, and C have been fullfilled and the needs of 1, 2, then if one of the E-cigarettes has an attomizer with each cartridge then even the better.

You have some conflicts there. Like, 'you want it fast, good, and cheap? Pick two.' Looks like a cigarette = shorter battery life, and less fluid capacity in cart = more refills. To offset this, you can have 'sort of looks like a cigarette, but is wider, to offset a bit. Or maybe someone will make a VK with a stubby battery, and in white/brown, but it's still a compromise. Pick some things you 'must have,' but you won't get all of them.

You can refill either normal cartridges or VK carts. With a purchase of $4 or so poly, the 3 piece (not integrated atomizer and cart) can be refilled nearly indefinitely, until you eat the cart end off I can only relay others comments on the VK/2 pice cartomizers - as you can't replace the wicking inside the cart, they can be refilled, but for a limited period of time, some say 2-3 refills, other say for weeks. Once it starts to burn/run dry, that seems to be it, plus whatever time the integrated atomizer seems to be happy for.

E: Lastly but not least all of the above and the price of cartomizer/cartridges the e-cigarette has to offer.

You can get pickier then that, but they way I say it there's no need, I think everyone basically for the most part feels the same way. If there is a product that does all this then that is the perfect product for me atleast and to most people who I talk to about the subject.

Again, 2 piece cartomizers are roughly 2x or more the cost of 'standard' carts. It's somewhat offset by not having to buy atomizers. No one can tell you how many atomizers *you* personally may burn through on a 3 piece, versus how many refills* you may get out of a 2 piece cartomizer style.

USB Passthroughs mean nothing to me, because to be honest 90% of the reason why I smoke is so that I can join people in public places like bars and what not who are real smokers and join in with them for social interaction. It's not really very easy to do that with your E-cigarette plugged into something now is it? Don't get me a wrong I'm sure it gives out the best vapor production in the world, but if I didn't care how I looked out in public with real smokers I wouldn't be making a list like this, I would just be getting the screwdriver, or asking which product on the ENTIRE market gives out the most vapor period!

Yet, I'm assuming you also smoke at home? For anyone that does, a passthrough is a godsend, or a 'non cigarette looking device,' (Screwdriver, prodigy, homemade, whatever - a better battery box) - it only took 2 failed batteries in a week to prove that one to me

From what I gathered my mind is still not made up. But for my own personal list, I only have 2 options to choose from.

1: VK
REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE: Gives out ok amount of vapor, cartomizers, looks like a real cigarette, has many flavors, has longer life of puffs/cigarette ratio compared to the Janty Dura C, is a two piece, and even if I choose to I can use e-liquid. Has LED light.

REASON WHY NOT: Does not give out from what I can see and hear in the reviews sections as much vapor as the Janty Dura C, costs more in cartomizers then Janty cartridges.

However even though VK is not as vapor productive as the Janty Dura C, unless I'm wrong and PLEASE IF I AM SOMEONE CORRECT ME!!! Unless I am wrong the VK is the best vapor producer second to the 510. Is that correct?

In the 'standard sort of looks like a cigarette' (vs screwdriver, janty stick, pipes, etc etc)...that's what I believe is the case. Take that however you'd like...I watched 100+ videos and did the research, and compared what I have on hand.

Note that 'many flavors' on cartomizers/2 pieces aren't really - you can get 100+ flavors on 'standard carts' via e-liquid, perhaps a dozen on pre-filled. I've only seen to date maybe half that number on 2 piece pre-filled carts, although I may have missed a vendor/selection somewhere..

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2:The Janty Dura C.

REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE:
Is the best vapor producer that looks anything like a real cigarette from what I have seen and people continously keep telling me. Has many flavors. Is cheaper in cartridges then the VK. And CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, but can also be refilled using e-liquid.

REASONS WHY NOT: Does not use cartomizers, I know I'm new to this who thing, but to be honest it's nice just to think of something that is just a two piece and that I never have to mess around with. Never have to replace something that's wrong with it. Really the cartomizer thing is a big deal, atleast to me, and to many others.
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Both the 510 and 2 pice/cartomizer types can be refilled. Addressed previously. It's highly likely/pretty well confirmed the VK-alike carts at least initially, hold more juice. On refills, not so sure, most say add 5-6 drops, but I get ~8 drops or more into a 510 refill.

I'd also add into this, do some research on battery life on the 2 pieces - as I'm unaware of any manual batteries for them, nor pass-throughs, it's *possible* they may still fail due to juice making it's way into the battery. I'd *expect* failure of this type to be lower due to the cart construction, but...dunno, and can't offer a long term review on it.

Also, the VK-alike has a lighter draw, which I don't prefer, at least right now.

2: Even though Igetcha and everyone else is telling me that the best option is the Janty Dura C when in regards to vapor production, it would be nice to see someone vaping the 510 and the vk in the SAME video back and forth. Despite the advice given about watching videos of people smoking it does me no good to see one guy vaping a vk and to see a totally different person vaping a 510. Because I can't compare the two. Because maybe one guy vapes differently then the other guy does. Maybe he vapes less in inhale and therefore will produce less vaper no matter who he's compared to. So if the same person could vape them both and then in the video even give out THERE OWN opinion on THEIR OWN vaping which one is better, that would be the best.

Not me, anyways. No overwhelming desire to do a video, nor time to do it. Browsing ECF is a 5-15 minute break here and there, but will be working 16 hour days through the weekend. If I survive to the weekend, may think about it, but many (Chris and Sean? Leaford?) have reviewed both, although you may need to check under the myriad of names for each.

3: It would be useful to members of this forum for the experts like Igetcha and everyone to mention what, (if any) parts are compatible with these two models from other e-cigarettes, especially cartridges, cartomizers.

For example is it possible to use a VK cartomizer with a 510? Or visa versa (aka other way around)? Even though there would be two atomizers on the 510 that way. Hey if that is possible and if there would be two atomizers that might turn out pretty cool for experimentiing! Maybe it would give more vapor production! Could be bad too, but I don't see how.

Generally, they're not compatible between different models. Some models have female threads for the batt, others have male, or they're different diameter, or thread pitch, or thread length. Some have exposed atomizers, others not (M401 has exposed, 510 is recessed). In this case, the Dura has female battery connection, and the KD/VK-alike has male, and different pitch.

No comment on dual atomizers - think about it, nothing would feed the 'first', then what?

 

[wegster]

Chris/Sean on Vapor King: can't find.

Chris/Sean on M401: YouTube - Esmoketalk.com - M401 "The Pilot" Electronic Cigarette Review
and YouTube - Vapor Talk - M401 Review from Dietsmokes.com

Chris/Sean on 510: YouTube - Review of the Joye 510 Electronic Cigarette

Leaford on Vapor King: Leaford - An E-Smoker Forever! -|- Leaford’s reviews, E-Cigs, E-cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, e-pipes Blog Archive Leaford’s Video Blog, Monday March 9th, 2009.

leaford on M401 (in his top 5): Leaford - An E-Smoker Forever! -|- Leaford’s reviews, E-Cigs, E-cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, e-pipes Blog Archive Leaford’s NEW Five Favorites
and: YouTube - Leaford's Disposable M-401 E-cigarette Video Review and Demo, YouTube version.

Parked: 401 (Evo) and Dura-C (titan/yeti/510 manual): YouTube - Parked's Review Intellicig EVO vs Janty Dura Review
YouTube - Parked's Review of the M401 E cigarette "Bumble Bee Edition"
YouTube - Parked's Review Intellicig EVO Revisited !
YouTube - Parked's Review Intellicig EVO Revisited !

Parked on 510: YouTube - Parked's Review of the M401 "Scorpian Edition red/black"
YouTube - Parked's Janty Dura-C Review

 

[wegster]

PS - you'll be somewhat happier, maybe, as it seems you *want* to be 'nudged' towards to VK-alikes. Swapped carts a few times, seems they're somewhat inconsistent. They're consistent for each cart, after a few puffs, but not compared to each other.

4 different carts, 1 low vapor/hit, 2 as described - low throat hit but good (not as much as Dura) vapor. The latest one is a bit better on throat hit (still < Dura), but is probably 95% of the vapor of the Dura/510. These are all on pre-fills, unsure on expectations for refills on the VK-alike. Doesn't say much for the cart to cart variance, really, but...if they last a bit through refills, or you don't plan on refills, it's irrelevant (I have a ton of liquid, will be refilling).

I also like whatever the generic Tobacco High carts that came with the Titan tasted like, although still don't know if it's Jantys tobacco, someone elses, or ? Not as fodn of the mboro carts on the vk-alike, but they're not terrible.

 

[Roses]

Wegster... if you want the 510 with a slimmer line, you can cross-mate a 306a with a 510.. the batteries and atomizers fit each other, so you can have a slimmer mouthpiece on the 510 manual battery, the downside to the solution is also being a smaller cart... it's much like the 401 with the cart cup, but it's got an exposed bridge for dipping, like the 401.

the 306a has less vapor then you get with a 510 obviously, but it's something for you to ponder on

 

[wegster]

Wegster... if you want the 510 with a slimmer line, you can cross-mate a 306a with a 510.. the batteries and atomizers fit each other, so you can have a slimmer mouthpiece on the 510 manual battery, the downside to the solution is also being a smaller cart... it's much like the 401 with the cart cup, but it's got an exposed bridge for dipping, like the 401.

the 306a has less vapor then you get with a 510 obviously, but it's something for you to ponder on

Thanks, Rose, had no idea on that one, just heard about slipping out the 510 endcap and using a 901 on the 510 carts, but not sure i like the tips and haven't tried that one yet. I think I'll adjust, it's mostly one of those 'in a perfect world' things, I think...besides, if I spend another dime about now, no food or shelter

 

[Roses]

Thanks, Rose, had no idea on that one, just heard about slipping out the 510 endcap and using a 901 on the 510 carts, but not sure i like the tips and haven't tried that one yet. I think I'll adjust, it's mostly one of those 'in a perfect world' things, I think...besides, if I spend another dime about now, no food or shelter

Oh trust me, I understand about the cash thing! I started out with the 306a, and just got a Dura-C... with all the little doodads and such, I've dropped about $230 or so into e cigs so far. I can say, however, that I'm very happy with my Dura- C, and I don't expect to be making any further purchases for a while, barring any unforseen circuimstances, other than e-juice.

 

[KreeL]

This is my humblest opinion.

After owning the Dura-C for several months now, if someone offered me a trade for a VK, I would politely decline. Well, maybe not so politely.

 

[wegster]

@Roses - I'm not gonna say what the current total is. I'd gladly 'accept "only" $230 in', though!

@kreel/thread
I'm tending to agree. Besides the near DOA auto batteries...and I *do* 'prefer' the auto, vs pressing a switch, I'm again back to the 510. Tried to refill/top off a handful of VK-alike/KRD carts, am making one more attempt. Carts aren't as consistent as I'd have hoped for, and refill attempts have been mixed. With a good cart, the VK/KRD is pretty nice, and convenient, but with the inconsistency, and cart prices for them what they are, I'm unsure if I'd want it as my primary, or only one. If money's no object, and spending the money on carts per day is ok, or if we could find somewhere to buy (group buy, maybe?) decent carts in bulk, my opinion might change on the VK-alike.

I still need to go through a few more carts and measure time, will probably go through a few this weekend with the KRD..I may yet change my mind with some more time with it, but the more I use it with the above in mind, for me, I think the KRD makes a great backup, or 'quick travel' (few hours away, just grab and go) solution, but if I could have only one, unless carts got *much* cheaper, much more consistent, more flavors or at least consistently a few good refills, I'd be keeping the 510 as my one go to.

 

[RsL]

WWFJDRAW,

With all due respect, it still appears to me like you aren't totally absorbing or accepting some of the good advice igetcha and others have provided you. There is not ONE single e-cig out there which is going to be perfect for everyone and certainly not perfect for what you are looking for. Person 1 might tell you that the VK, and please let's call it by it's correct model number, the KR808D-1, is the best there is. Person 2 will tell you no, get the 510, it's the best. Now the thing is, neither person is right or wrong! It all boils down to individual preferences.

You also really seem to be hung up on the amount of vapor an e-cig produces. But I've tried e-cigs like the E9 that kick out a lot of vapor, BUT there is no throat hit at all and to most people you really need that throat hit to get a satisfying, near analog experience. But maybe throat hit isn't important to some, so once again we are back to individual preferences.

I can tell you from my experience that the 510 with a manual battery has the best vapor production and throat hit of any e-cig out there OTHER than certain Mods that are available like the Screwdriver and others. However, none of those Mods even remotely look like a real cigarette and that seems to be very important to you.

My advice to you would be to buy BOTH the KR808D-1 and the 510. Buy them from a supplier which let's you return it if you aren't happy with it. Then try them both and simply pick the one you like the best! Or you might be surprised to find that you will keep them BOTH because they both have their merits and their strengths....

 

[ladybug]

Hi,just ordered blucig,do you have any thoughts about blucigs? Has anybody done a review of them? I also ordered and recieveid the vapor king,but Igo thru carts like some crazy woman!LOL! Oh well,smoke free for 7 days but not easy,these do help.

 

[RsL]

Hi,just ordered blucig,do you have any thoughts about blucigs? Has anybody done a review of them? I also ordered and recieveid the vapor king,but Igo thru carts like some crazy woman!LOL! Oh well,smoke free for 7 days but not easy,these do help.

But crazy women are the most fun! As to your question about the blucigs, I've never tried them and probably won't. But there is a thread about them. Check it out..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/15761-new-here-anyone-heard-blu-e-cigs.html

 

[Chuffer]

Follow up.

1: VK
REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE: Gives out ok amount of vapor, cartomizers, looks like a real cigarette, has many flavors, has longer life of puffs/cigarette ratio compared to the Janty Dura C, is a two piece, and even if I choose to I can use e-liquid. Has LED light.

REASON WHY NOT: Does not give out from what I can see and hear in the reviews sections as much vapor as the Janty Dura C, costs more in cartomizers then Janty cartridges.

However even though VK is not as vapor productive as the Janty Dura C, unless I'm wrong and PLEASE IF I AM SOMEONE CORRECT ME!!! Unless I am wrong the VK is the best vapor producer second to the 510. Is that correct?
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2:The Janty Dura C.

REASONS WHY I MIGHT BUY THIS ONE:
Is the best vapor producer that looks anything like a real cigarette from what I have seen and people continously keep telling me. Has many flavors. Is cheaper in cartridges then the VK. And CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, but can also be refilled using e-liquid.

REASONS WHY NOT: Does not use cartomizers, I know I'm new to this who thing, but to be honest it's nice just to think of something that is just a two piece and that I never have to mess around with. Never have to replace something that's wrong with it. Really the cartomizer thing is a big deal, atleast to me, and to many others.
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For Pete's sake, just buy the VK or the 510 or both already, and see for yourself. They're both good, and different from each other, and people find they like different things once they start. The expense is about the same or less than analogs. You've narrowed things down well, now just jump in.

 

[orlampagal]

Hey, you didn't review the "health-e" cigarette that is found on "www.dealextreme.com"
It is one atomizer, one battery, and the box plugs into the wall. It looks like a regular cigarette (I would say it is a little smaller that the "100's" but not quite the size of a regular cigarette. The cartridges come pre-loaded with "high" nicotine if that's what you order. They seem to be about half a pack to 3/4 of a pack with one cartridge. The taste in the cartridges is awful (at least the tobacco flavor), but as far as cheap, they are cheap and produce a low to moderate amount of vapor (about what a 901 produces after a week or two with an atomizer) The cartridges are fairly cheap on the site. It's good for a spare in case you have some sort of murphy's law phenomena and all of your batteries and atomizers fry and you are faced with a dillema until your new parts come in. After looking into the cart, I am thinking you can possibly drip right onto the "outtie" atomizer and possibly have a better tasting option, or maybe even inject liquid into the cart.

 

[Brooks]

I dunno about some of these...but the 801 is really nice, especially when used w/USB pass.

The Blu is a disappointment... tiny carts, tiny battery, and kinda burnt vapor half the time. I do like the recharging pack thingy though.

NPro...okay but overpriced and they cannot keep up with demand. The flavor is pretty good... i.e. not burnt tasting.

901 got good reviews and I have 1 coming.... sure hope it measures up.

Personally, I like the whole concept of DYI liquids and mixing and cutting to get exactly the flavor and strength that I want. But that is just me.

 

[wwfjdraw]

I didn't review the e=cigarette from dealtime, because I can't find a commentary or review regarding vapor production. I must have that covered aswell. I must also have it then compared to the VK and/or the 510.

Until then.

 

[wegster]

I didn't review the e=cigarette from dealtime, because I can't find a commentary or review regarding vapor production.

He was joking. It's a $13 e-cig, an M401 cheap (in all senses) clone.

I must have that covered aswell. I must also have it then compared to the VK and/or the 510.
Until then.

"Must?" It already seems like you're basically asking people to do the majority of your *own* research for you, using your criteria. People are doing you a favor in responding. 'must' doesn't enter into the equation here, unless you mean *you* must make a decision based on the *large* amount of information already available.

If it's simply just a poor choice on words on your part, then that's fine, but the way some of this thread's been going, and your responses, sure make it seem like once someone does you a favor, you simply keep asking for more of them. You might want to think about using different wording.

And, one simple set of questions: If you can't truly decide between the VK and the 510, why can you not buy both? People have different taste, and even within a day or a week, they may change. Many of us have more than one, and use them at different times - what makes you think 'there is only one?'

Do you own *any* e-cig currently? If not, would not 'a good one, but maybe not "perfect"', be a good place for you to start?

 

[igetcha]

there was one that you did not put on the list which kicks the ... of a 510 and a VK

YouTube - REVIEW OF THE GAMUCCI MICRO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE

neither of them has a box as nice as the micro


he he

 

[RsL]

there was one that you did not put on the list which kicks the ... of a 510 and a VK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSqBm4GqTwY&feature=channel_pageneither of them has a box as nice as the micro

he he

Yeah, but have seen the packaging for that blucig? OMG, that's to die for!

 

[wegster]

there was one that you did not put on the list which kicks the ... of a 510 and a VK

[ gamucci review ]

neither of them has a box as nice as the micro


he he

You're a bad person...kinda like it!
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