concentration of nicotene

[Caridwen]

From the Info Zone guide-

The average user consumes between 2ml and 3ml per day. Heavy users can go through 5ml a day or more. After a week or two you will probably find that you need more liquid than you would have thought.

As a rough guide, 2.5ml of liquid equals 20 cigarettes, 1 standard cartomizer (KR8) = 6 cigarettes, 1 standard cartridge (510) = 4 cigarettes.

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Also depends on the device you use.

 

[Dauyd]

That's not correct. If I have 120ml of 18mg juice. I can make 12 10ml bottles and it will STILL be 18mg juice. The ONLY way to change the nicotine level of your juice is to add something to your base. Dividing your juice doesn't change the concentration of nicotine.

In fact, I think the way I explained it the first time was probably the right explanation (getting late lol!)

No, it doesn't change the concentration.

But it DOES change how much nicotene is there.

A 15ml bottle of 18 mg/ml juice will have half as much nicotene in it as a 30ml bottle of the same juice.

 

[tc1]

A 15ml bottle of 18 mg/ml juice will have half as much nicotene in it as a 30ml bottle of the same juice.

Indeed. You threw me off by saying mg instead of ml. mg defines concentration and ml defines volume.
Concentration stays the same (MG) .... volume is different (ML).

It is 18mg per ml.

So, a 30 ml bottle has 540mg of nicotene.


540mg would kill a whale .... lol

 

[Dauyd]

OP was asking about concentration though ... and mg defines concentration.

Actually, no. He is looking for total nicotene in his tank, not concentration.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

Indeed. You threw me off by saying mg instead of ml. mg defines concentration and ml defines volume.
Concentration stays the same (MG) .... volume is different (ML).

Actually, mg defines mass, mg/ml defines volume. The confusion, like what a lot of this thread has been, is that juice vendors are printing the wrong unit on everything. They're all using mg when they should all be using mg/ml

 

[tc1]

Actually, no. He is looking for total nicotene in his tank, not concentration.

And the title of the thread is ..... ?

 

[Dauyd]

Indeed. You threw me off by saying mg instead of ml. mg defines concentration and ml defines volume.
Concentration stays the same (MG) .... volume is different (ML).

No.


MG is a unit of measure. 1mg of nicotene is just that- a mg of nicotene. Whether it is full strength, unadulterated nicotene, or if it is mixed in with a 55 gallon drum of water or pv/vg, it is still 1 mg of nicotene.

ML is indeed a unit of measure.

MG per ML defines concentration.

 

[Dauyd]

And the title of the thread is ..... ?

read the first post. He's wondering how much nicotene he is getting from a tank of juice, so he can see if it is comparable to what he smoked.

 

[elmattias]

read the first post. He's wondering how much nicotene he is getting from a tank of juice, so he can see if it is comparable to what he smoked.

agreed. title =/= content.

 

[tc1]

No.


MG is a unit of measure. 1mg of nicotene is just that- a mg of nicotene. Whether it is full strength, unadulterated nicotene, or if it is mixed in with a 55 gallon drum of water or pv/vg, it is still 1 mg of nicotene.

ML is indeed a unit of measure.

MG per ML defines concentration.

This is not how ejuice is calculated and labeled though. If I drop 1mg of nicotine into a 55 gallon drum it becomes dilluted. If I drink 1 gallon out of that drum, I am not consuming 1mg of nicotine. That is why juice calculators ask for the final size of your juice. The amount of nicotine (ml) has to be adjusted based on the final volume (ml) to get the desired concentration (mg).


This is what you said:

It is 18mg per ml.

So, a 30 ml bottle has 540mg of nicotene.

Pour 1/2 of it into a cup, and you have 270mg of nicotene in the cup.

Pour it into a 2ml thimble, and you have 36mg of nicotene in the thimble.

So, if your tank holds 2ml, then you have a total of 36mg of nicotene.


Maybe I'm going crazy here but that seems completely false to me.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

This is not how ejuice is calculated and labeled though. If I drop 1mg of nicotine into a 55 gallon drum it becomes dilluted. If I drink 1 gallon out of that drum, I am not consuming 1mg of nicotine.

This is what I've been talking about. I know the vendors have been labeling this way, but ejuice is labeled wrong. The vendors are using the wrong unit on everything, putting mg (total nicotine) when it should all say mg/ml (concentration of nicotine). According to science and math, Dauyd's numbers are all correct.

 

[flintlock62]

It depends upon the strength of the nic base as far as equating to the number of cigarettes, does it not? Further, all cigarette nicotine levels aren't equal, so it's unfair to attempt to correlate e-juice to actual tobacco.

From the Info Zone guide-

The average user consumes between 2ml and 3ml per day. Heavy users can go through 5ml a day or more. After a week or two you will probably find that you need more liquid than you would have thought.

As a rough guide, 2.5ml of liquid equals 20 cigarettes, 1 standard cartomizer (KR8) = 6 cigarettes, 1 standard cartridge (510) = 4 cigarettes.

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Also depends on the device you use.

 

[hollyd]

Don't mean to .... in but that doesn't sounds right to me either! If I'm Vaping 18 mg juice. .. Oh hell... Lol I have no damn idea! I quit smoking! I so not breathe in 4 million damn chemicals! I feel better! I don't really care how much nicotine I vape as long as I don't get sick from it! ... Yep, that's the answer.

Proud mom of an American soldier

 

[elmattias]

This is not how ejuice is calculated and labeled though. If I drop 1mg of nicotine into a 55 gallon drum it becomes dilluted. If I drink 1 gallon out of that drum, I am not consuming 1mg of nicotine. That is why juice calculators ask for the final size of your juice. The amount of nicotine (ml) has to be adjusted based on the final volume (ml) to get the desired concentration (mg).


This is what you said:

It is 18mg per ml.

So, a 30 ml bottle has 540mg of nicotene.

Pour 1/2 of it into a cup, and you have 270mg of nicotene in the cup.

Pour it into a 2ml thimble, and you have 36mg of nicotene in the thimble.

So, if your tank holds 2ml, then you have a total of 36mg of nicotene.


Maybe I'm going crazy here but that seems completely false to me.

again i'll point over at the juice calculator, it almost does the math for you.....and you can't argue facts, the fact is that 18mg concentration juice is actually 18mg per ml of juice, and if every ml has 18mg of nicotine, then 18 x 2=36, so a 2ml tank would have 36mg of nicotine in that tank total suspended within the juice.

 

[tc1]

This is what I've been talking about. I know the vendors have been labeling this way, but ejuice is labeled wrong. The vendors are using the wrong unit on everything, putting mg (total nicotine) when it should all say mg/ml (concentration of nicotine). According to science and math, Dauyd's numbers are all correct.

It is what it is though ... stating it in any other way will only confuse people, especially new comers. IMHO atleast.

 

[Dauyd]

Lets try a different approach.

Lets say I have one pound of hot cocoa mix.

I mix that with one gallon of hot water.

Still with me?

OK.

so, I now have one gallon of 1pound per gallon concentration hot chocolate.

There is still one pound of cocoa mix there, right?

Now, I drink 1/2 of it.

What I have left will be 1/2 gallon of 1lb/gallon concentration hot chocolate.

The concentration has not changed.

However, the is only 1/2lb of the cocoa mix left.

Now, read that again- but sustitute milligrams for pounds, and milliliters for gallons.

pounds/mg are units of measure of WEIGHT or MASS.

Gallons or milliliters are measures of LIQUID VOLUME.

In order to come up with a CONCENTRATION level, you need to know how many pounds/mg are in a specific volume.

Your problem is that you are still stuck on thinking that MG is a concentration- it isn't it is one of the factors you need to define a concentration. As was pointed oput above, it is easy mistake to make, since many manufacturers leave out the "/ml" in their product descriptions.

 

[flintlock62]

By all means DO .... in! You're correct. And kudos to your son. I thank him for his service.

Don't mean to .... in but that doesn't sounds right to me either! If I'm Vaping 18 mg juice. .. Oh hell... Lol I have no damn idea! I quit smoking! I so not breathe in 4 million damn chemicals! I feel better! I don't really care how much nicotine I vape as long as I don't get sick from it! ... Yep, that's the answer.

Proud mom of an American soldier

 

[Dauyd]

It is what it is though ... stating it in any other way will only confuse people, especially new comers. IMHO atleast.

Actually, stating it the way they do is what is confusing people. Because it is wrong.

 

[elmattias]

Lets try a different approach.

Lets say I have one pound of hot cocoa mix.

I mix that with one gallon of hot water.

Still with me?

OK.

so, I now have one gallon of 1pound per gallon concentration hot chocolate.

There is still one pound of cocoa mix there, right?

Now, I drink 1/2 of it.

What I have left will be 1/2 gallon of 1lb/gallon concentration hot chocolate.

The concentration has not changed.

However, the is only 1/2lb of the cocoa mix left.

Now, read that again- but sustitute milligrams for pounds, and milliliters for gallons.

pounds/mg are units of measure of WEIGHT or MASS.

Gallons or milliliters are measures of LIQUID VOLUME.

In order to come up with a CONCENTRATION level, you need to know how many pounds/mg are in a specific volume.

Your problem is that you are still stuck on thinking that MG is a concentration- it isn't it is one of the factors you need to define a concentration. As was pointed oput above, it is easy mistake to make, since many manufacturers leave out the "/ml" in their product descriptions.

when you can't debate.....CORRELATE! lol

 

[tc1]

Actually, stating it the way they do is what is confusing people. Because it is wrong.

You act as if I invented this method of measurement. lol Every single vendor I've ever seen uses this method. THAT is why I feel it will confuse a new comer. When he goes to order his juice or DIY supplies, he will not be using your method.