concentration of nicotene

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

It is what it is though ... stating it in any other way will only confuse people, especially new comers. IMHO atleast.

I feel you on that, but I can't use the juice vendors' conventions because it's going against everything I've ever learned in math and science. If I came of as confrontational I apologize, my frustration here is with the juice vendors using the wrong units. Especially when the disposable e-cigs are the only things I've seen that label the concentration properly

 

[Boxster]

I like to think of it this way.
a 12mg juice = 1.2% nic per ml or .012ml of nic per ml of juice
a 18mg juice = 1.8% nic per ml or .018ml of nic per ml of juice
etc.

 

[Dauyd]

You act as if I invented this method of measurement. lol Every single vendor I've ever seen uses this method. THAT is why I feel it will confuse a new comer. When he goes to order his juice or DIY supplies, he will not be using your method.

No, I'm not saying you came up with it- but (and although this might come across badly, please believe me when I say I don't mean this as a personal insult) your posts in this thread are a perfect example of why this shorthand by the vendors is confusing new people.

 

[Thorbear]

This is not how ejuice is calculated and labeled though. If I drop 1mg of nicotine into a 55 gallon drum it becomes dilluted. If I drink 1 gallon out of that drum, I am not consuming 1mg of nicotine. That is why juice calculators ask for the final size of your juice. The amount of nicotine (ml) has to be adjusted based on the final volume (ml) to get the desired concentration (mg).


This is what you said:

It is 18mg per ml.

So, a 30 ml bottle has 540mg of nicotene.

Pour 1/2 of it into a cup, and you have 270mg of nicotene in the cup.

Pour it into a 2ml thimble, and you have 36mg of nicotene in the thimble.

So, if your tank holds 2ml, then you have a total of 36mg of nicotene.


Maybe I'm going crazy here but that seems completely false to me.

mg is short for milligram = a measure of weight. It has nothing to do with concentration until you compare it to something.
If you put 1 milligram of nicotine into a gallon of water then the concentration would be 1mg/gallon

 

[tc1]

I feel you on that, but I can't use the juice vendors' conventions because it's going against everything I've ever learned in math and science. If I came of as confrontational I apologize, my frustration here is with the juice vendors using the wrong units. Especially when the disposable e-cigs are the only things I've seen that label the concentration properly

Nah, you're fine. Civil disagreements/debates happen and it's not like you acted out of line. As a fellow man of science I understand your frustration. Guess I've just let it go and use the "norml" to make my life easier.

I do find it ironic that the gas station cigs use the proper scientific method, but I guess they would be the FIRST to get in trouble if they didn't since they're the most visible.

 

[Dauyd]

I like to think of it this way.
a 12mg juice = 1.2% nic per ml or .012ml of nic per ml of juice
a 18mg juice = 1.8% nic per ml or .018ml of nic per ml of juice
etc.

I've actually seen a few posts mentioning a push for the vendors to start labeling %concentrations. I think that would be much better than the status quo.

 

[tc1]

mg is short for milligram = a measure of weight. It has nothing to do with concentration until you compare it to something.
If you put 1 milligram of nicotine into a gallon of water then the concentration would be 1mg/gallon

I agree, I shouldn't have said "mg = concentration". I was just kinda short handing it with the way it's expressed through vendors.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

Nah, you're fine. Civil disagreements/debates happen and it's not like you acted out of line. As a fellow man of science I understand your frustration. Guess I've just let it go and use the "norml" to make my life easier.

I do find it ironic that the gas station cigs use the proper scientific method, but I guess they would be the FIRST to get in trouble if they didn't since they're the most visible.

I never correct it unless it comes up, like early in the thread (it's remarkable how fast it got derailed). There wouldn't be any room for confusion if they just labeled the nicotine as percent solutions, like the gas station disposables.

 

[elmattias]

I've actually seen a few posts mentioning a push for the vendors to start labeling %concentrations. I think that would be much better than the status quo.

perhaps we should petition AEMSA about this....would clear up posts like this from happening.

 

[tc1]

Honestly, I never even gave this a thought as a cause of confusion before this thread. lol
I agree, it would be beneficial to use % and make it standard among vendors.

myvaporstore is the only vendor that comes to mind who actually uses it.


My apologies to the OP as well, I'm sure he NEVER expected this thread to veer off like this. lol

 

[elmattias]

Honestly, I never even gave this a thought as a cause of confusion before this thread. lol
I agree, it would be beneficial to use % and make it standard among vendors.

myvaporstore is the only vendor that comes to mind who actually uses it.

i've seen others that use it, but its primarily been on disposables....and the vendors i usually hit up just show up as #mg....so i understand where the confusion comes from, but understanding that its #mg/ml is the key

 

[tc1]

I never correct it unless it comes up, like early in the thread (it's remarkable how fast it got derailed). There wouldn't be any room for confusion if they just labeled the nicotine as percent solutions, like the gas station disposables.

Yeah. I was just trying to explain it to him like he would actually see from vendors. (vendors who sell dilution/double type juices, etc)
Notice I even said that the per ml rule is the right explanation near the beginning of the thread. lol

Like I said, I never even understood the extent of confusions about this topic before this thread. 6 pages in and it's pretty clear a correct standard would be beneficial.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

Yeah. I was just trying to explain it to him like he would actually see from vendors. (vendors who sell dilution/double type juices, etc)
Notice I even said that the per ml rule is the right explanation near the beginning of the thread. lol

Like I said, I never even understood the extent of confusions about this topic before this thread. 5 pages in and it's pretty clear a standard would be beneficial.

A standard for units (either mg/ml or %solution, as long as it's a correct unit) would be great. I think it would also help if there were some guidelines for what should be called light/medium/strong/etc., I've seen a lot of variation with that and newer vapers may go by those labels

 

[tc1]

A standard for units (either mg/ml or %solution, as long as it's a correct unit) would be great. I think it would also help if there were some guidelines for what should be called light/medium/strong/etc., I've seen a lot of variation with that and newer vapers may go by those labels

Another good point. I too have seen vendors use different variations of strength. Does the AEMSA have a place to voice these concerns yet? Honestly, concentration and strength labeling should be two of the first things discussed and standardized.

I'm kinda glad this thread happened. Perhaps we all need to get together and raise these issues.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

Another good point. I too have seen vendors use different variations of strength. Does the AEMSA have a place to voice these concerns yet? Honestly, concentration and strength labeling should be two of the first things discussed and standardized.

I'm kinda glad this thread happened. Perhaps we all need to get together and raise these issues.

As far as I know they don't have anything in place to suggest anything yet, other than just emailing them through the contact form. Right now, it seems like they're really only talking to the vendors that have joined while they get the groundwork laid out.

 

[nobutts1]

Hi to you new vaporer! so confusing isn't it? I am still going crazy and also driving others crazy, but don't care, I have to get it straight. Just don't get nervous, you will NEVER overdose on nic, in the sense of dying. you may get too much for your own systemn in the sense of what your intake was from the real butts you smoked. Here is what I would do/ 12mg is kind of the middle of the road mg. So when you buy your nic juice, or e-juice, get 12 mg of the flavors you like. you will not believe how your likes of flavors will change in a very short time. so bottom line.. buy 12mg of nic level and don't worry about the rest.. see you around at the best forum ever.. ecig.com

 

[nanovapr]

Wow. Welcome to ECF! Standards exist.

One vendor's "light" is not another vendor's "medium". I know that as smokers, these were things we depended on.

People are different!

 

[elmattias]

As far as I know they don't have anything in place to suggest anything yet, other than just emailing them through the contact form. Right now, it seems like they're really only talking to the vendors that have joined while they get the groundwork laid out.

it would be good regardless to start emailing some big names about this thread in particular, hell all you would have to do is shoot a link over to whoever at AEMSA....another option would be to turn to the youtube reviewers, as they can get the word about matters like this faster than any other...because lets face it, when PBusardo speaks, people listen.

 

[elmattias]

Hi to you new vaporer! so confusing isn't it? I am still going crazy and also driving others crazy, but don't care, I have to get it straight. Just don't get nervous, you will NEVER overdose on nic, in the sense of dying. you may get too much for your own systemn in the sense of what your intake was from the real butts you smoked. Here is what I would do/ 12mg is kind of the middle of the road mg. So when you buy your nic juice, or e-juice, get 12 mg of the flavors you like. you will not believe how your likes of flavors will change in a very short time. so bottom line.. buy 12mg of nic level and don't worry about the rest.. see you around at the best forum ever.. ecig.com

ummm no, you can overdose on nicotine, it is highly toxic in high concentrations....a couple of DROPS of the nicotine base solutions used to make these juices can KILL YOU....even higher concentrations can KILL YOU BY BREATHING IN THE FUMES. don't spread misinformation like this, because that whole "never" overdosing on nicotine is pretty far from the truth.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

it would be good regardless to start emailing some big names about this thread in particular, hell all you would have to do is shoot a link over to whoever at AEMSA....another option would be to turn to the youtube reviewers, as they can get the word about matters like this faster than any other...because lets face it, when PBusardo speaks, people listen.

This was my plan for later/tomorrow, at the very least emailing the AEMSA contact line. They already have a requirement in the current standards to label nicotine concentration, all they would need to do is add a line with which units are acceptable to use.