Confused about batteries?3.7v/5/6v?

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Hi,

I am a bit confused about what the voltage of a regular battery is?I have a 510 manual and auto battery...

Is the passthru the same voltage?
Over time using a battery does voltage drop?by how much?
Why would I want a 3.7v mod over a 6v mod?
What about the 280mega batteries?

I want a reliable battery,perhaps a mod(not a box mod...i want something that looks good!not sure how much i want to spend but i will choose more expensive if i can get smaller/prettier/not gonna break/not too hard to find parts/batteries mod but have no problem with cheaper if it does the job and is considerably less)

I have some valid and some total excuses to go back to cigs and want to spend a bit and make the switch for good...

any advice you might have would be appreciated especially if you have a mod and include the cons of it too

thanks

cass
 
Hi,

I am a bit confused about what the voltage of a regular battery is?I have a 510 manual and auto battery...

First of all you should understand that a battery is rated at its average voltage. The standard batteries are 3.7V, but actually start around 4.2V and then slope down so 3.7V is the average.

Is the passthru the same voltage?

Kinda. There's more to it than just voltage. As soon as you connect an atomizer to it, you're placing a "load" and the voltage drops to some extent. The USB port on a computer is rated at 5V, but it doesn't have enough amperage to run at 5V all the time so most passthrus have a 3.7V battery in the line. By constnatly charging the battery, the advantage of a passthru is that every use is like the first at that top voltage. If you have a power supply that can supply enough current, a USB "straight through" can give you 5V--but it drops down to closer to 4.5V when under the load of an atomizer.

Over time using a battery does voltage drop?by how much?
Yes, but I can't really give you a definitive answer to how much because it depends on the battery. Batteries with longer life (rated in milliamp hours) will drop voltage slower, somewhat obviously.
Why would I want a 3.7v mod over a 6v mod?
The advantage of 3.7V mod is that you get that big "first hit" experience longer. Standard mini batteries are rated for approximately 180mAH... If you have a mod and use a battery rated for 1800mAH, it will last 10 times as long.

In order to get to 5 or 6V, you usually need two batteries, so for physical size reasons they're usually going to not last as long as a single large battery. The RCR123a's that I use in my Xhaler are rated for 750mAH--considerably longer than a standard mini battery and good enough to keep me vaping all day without a recharge...but less than 2-3 days that you can get off a 3.7V battery.

What about the 280mega batteries?

They last about 55% longer.

I want a reliable battery,perhaps a mod(not a box mod...i want something that looks good!not sure how much i want to spend but i will choose more expensive if i can get smaller/prettier/not gonna break/not too hard to find parts/batteries mod but have no problem with cheaper if it does the job and is considerably less)

You'll want to decide if you want high voltage or not. Mods like the Mini Chuck, the ScrewDriver (or the Chinese knockoff 905 Nomad) and many others give you a nice long battery life but are nice and small.

Because I wanted to try high voltage, I went with the Xhaler from Nhaler as it is basically the only commercial mod that lets you switch from 6V to 5V (considered by many to be "the sweet spot"--tons of vapor and flavor, but none of the icky burnt taste you can get at 6V) and back again (when the batteries start to get low, I loosen the bottom resistor cap and I can keep on vapin!). Its also quite affordable (under $100 with batteries if you use the coupon code) and its the fastest way to get into High Voltage vaping--I ordered mine early on a friday morning from Nhaler in New Jersey, and I was vaping at 5V+ by the following monday evening (had to wait for the batteries to charge).

Now that I've gotten used to vaping at 5V, I'm not going back. I might get a Chuck or a 5V GLV as a backup down the road when I can wait to get it all nicely customized, but I've been spoiled by my Xhaler so 3.7V just doesn't cut it for me anymore. :w00t: It's a freakin' amazing vape! I let a lady-friend try mine and she put it well: "I smile every time I use this..I just can't help it!"

I have some valid and some total excuses to go back to cigs and want to spend a bit and make the switch for good...

Then you should definitely consider a high voltage mod. Quitting smoking is a lot easier if you are producing more vapor from your PV than the smoke coming from analogs. Yesterday, I was trying to test the voltage on my Xhaler, when I shorted it out...I thought I was gonna have to get through New Year's without it...fortunately Drew called me (just before midnight in his time zone) and walked me through fixing it (turns out that if you short circuit the Xhaler like I did trying to test it, the spring that holds the batteries gets hot and coils up losing its springiness, acting as a "safety" mechanism...kinda cool, but I had to open the thing up and pull the spring back) before I had the opportunity to give in to the suddenly powerful craving for an analog I got when I thought my Xhaler was down for the night.

The crisis was averted, but I did intentionally smoke one analog cigarette just before midnight for stategic reasons: I kinda quit accidently and didn't keep close track of my last analog. By having an official "last cigarette" in 2009, I have a date to cling to. Now that we are "living in the future of 2010" :lol: I use only my "futuristic" 5V vape machine.

any advice you might have would be appreciated especially if you have a mod and include the cons of it too

thanks

cass

The cons of the Xhaler is that there is something of a learning curve. The button is toward the bottom of the mod, which doesn't seem natural, but becomes so with time. Brand new batteries pack an especially big punch and you do have to be careful to not let your atomizer get dry or it can burn out. The other consideration is that HV mods produce more vapor, and therefore use more juice. The upside of that is you can use less nicotine (which can be a money saver depending where you get your favorite juice) and still get a very satisfying vape. Finally, the Xhaler is currently available in 11 different color/designs, but doesn't have all the customization options available on some other mods. ...for me that was kind of an advantage, cuz I like the look of the Black Vapor design, I wasn't sure exactly how I wanted to decorate a Chuck, and I didn't want to have to wait for me to decide what I wanted and then have to wait for it to be built.
 
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Thulium you answered my question perfectly with everything i wanted to know.thankyou for clarifying it all(i may need to refer back to it again i bet though!!!)...

you mentioned that some people choose 3.7 for size and length of battery....that means they dont do anything extra for your vapor/throat hit/general enjoyment than a freshly charged regular battery?is that correct?

I just figure if im spending alot i should spend that bit more and get a battery that will see me through and put an end to my searching for more...i want a battery to end all batteries so to speak...haha(ie. i wont feel like im missing out on what you and so many others describe as a vape they will not go back to 3.7 for...surely if i can have 6v(expenditure wise) i should get one and skip the 3.7???(i dont vape in public that often but i dont want a monster either......im a layyydeeee haha....do i need a monster to have 6v?)
 
Thulium you answered my question perfectly with everything i wanted to know.thankyou for clarifying it all(i may need to refer back to it again i bet though!!!)...

you mentioned that some people choose 3.7 for size and length of battery....that means they dont do anything extra for your vapor/throat hit/general enjoyment than a freshly charged regular battery?is that correct?

That is exactly right. If somebody tries to tell you that their 3.7V battery mod has a better vape than someone else's 3.7V battery mod, its probably not true. (Unless they are using a voltage booster or something) The real difference depends on the atomizer you choose.

I just figure if im spending alot i should spend that bit more and get a battery that will see me through and put an end to my searching for more...i want a battery to end all batteries so to speak...haha(ie. i wont feel like im missing out on what you and so many others describe as a vape they will not go back to 3.7 for...surely if i can have 6v(expenditure wise) i should get one and skip the 3.7???(i dont vape in public that often but i dont want a monster either......im a layyydeeee haha....do i need a monster to have 6v?)

Another reason I went with the Xhaler--I can use a 17670 3.7V battery for the longevity if I want to...or I can use 2x3.7V batteries for 7.4V (which I'll probably try with a HV atomizer that cuts about 2V off so theoretically would be back in the "sweet spot" zone). That was a big selling point for me: The choice of 3.7/5/6/7.4V and 510/801/901/KR8/GreenCig atomizers meant I was sure to find the right combination for me. :)

There's lots of options for size. A lot of people use "box mods" for high voltage vaping, but keep in mind these aren't really as big as they may seem in some pictures...really about the size of a cigar. (I was gonna give some dimensions, but that was just triggering a bunch of "that's what SHE said" jokes in my post-New-Year's dirty mind and then I realized I didn't wanna convert to metric anyway)

I'm not sure if the Xhaler can be shipped to Ireland and I don't know if Drew has any in stock, but I understand there is a really nice "girly" version available in glittery pink. The 5V GLV comes in a couple different colors and offers laser engraving for $10, and the Chuck (6V, but you can have a resistor added to bring it down to 5V) is completely custom made.

EDIT: I just realized that being "across the pond" from me, you might want to consider the GG Transformer (Available here: http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/GGT-S ). It doesn't have all of the options of the Xhaler (Sorry, no 5V) but it is nearly the same design.
 
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the glittery pink sounds cool...im not generally a pink person...but if i have a huge chunk of metal in my pocket i want it to have some girly feature!!!engraving might be cooler though...want a spider if i get a chuck so if they can engrave that all the better

you're really selling the xhaler to me now!!!i was all set to go with a gg...and a protege last week(prodigy v2 perhaps)

from what you say the others dont seem as versatile?but to be honest i will probably just use 510 and maybe kr8 carts so whatever can do those will have my vote...i wish there was someone out there who had tried them all who truly knew which was the best....working on getting a table together with the mod info comparisons so hoping this will help me...
 
Don't let me scare you out of a 6V mod. The difference between 5V and 6V is kind of subtle...It wasn't until I'd been using mine for a while that I was able to quantify the difference: I mostly use mine in 5V mode, but one day I tried loosening the resistor cap and could taste the burnt metallic flavor that I usually only get when my atomizer is getting a little dry, but rather than adding another drop or two, I re-tightened the cap and the flavor went away. However, since the voltage does drop off over time, you eventually are vaping at 5V with a 6V mod anyway. If you go with a 6V mod and find that you don't like how it tastes at the beginning, but prefer how it tastes as the batteries get a little lower, you can add a voltage regulator or order a "high voltage" atomizer that brings the voltage down a bit and they allegedly don't get as hot. The HV atty's are a very recent development and I haven't tried them yet, but there ya go.
 

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Chuck is my recommendation. I've never tried an Xhaler from Nhaler but I've ran across many threads saying many people have tested the Xhaler and the 5v resister doesn't actually do anything at all. Don't take my word for it though, search the forum. So if you plan on a 6v mod, I would say a Chuck at Thagbuilt.com is your choice. Custom built to order, meaning you choose your color, graphics and everything in between. For instance my chuck is Silver and has the bears logo on it and on the back has my initials. Very nice in my opinion. It will take 2 weeks or maybe a little less for him to build it though, unless of course you tip him and they he'll build it within a few days.

They make 900mah cr123's now that will give you at LEAST a day and night worth of amazing vaping. You need 2 of these batteries to run a Mod PV at either 5v or 6v. The only device that I've heard people have tested and truly runs at 5v is the GLV Mod PV. I think the site is great lakes vapor or something. Not customizable though. Its just silver with the GLV logo. But still a beautiful PV.

In my opinion, get the GVL. Only because the chuck at 6v will eat through atomizers and WILL cost you a good deal of money. 5v should be a lot safer for the attys and prolong their life. I don't own a GLV though so it might help to ask a member how they like it that actually does own one.

In the end its all your decision though.
My recommendation though, whichever you go with, don't end up with a mini chuck or mini HV mod. The batteries are too small (under 250mah) so you'll be changing out your batteries once or maybe even twice a day. Hope this helps! :D
 
Thulium - what is the coupon code for Nhaler? I was planning on placing an order for
the Xhaler this weekend, and didn't realize there was a discount code. I've tried using the search feature, but can't locate a specific code.
Also, thanks for the helpful information, and thanks Just-Cass for putting the question out there.

Drew just announced a Happy New Year's special. Use coupon code "HAPPY" for 15% off. :thumbs:
 

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Cass, don't buy the hype. No one except the seller himself has been able to show the Xhaler kindasorta putting out 5v to the atty, and even his video was not without inconsistency. IIRC, Thulium attempted to test it on his own, but ended up blowing the spring... yet he seems so adamantly convinced it's working as intended, which I find pretty funny.

If you intend solely on 3.7/6v, the Xhaler will work just as well as any other 3.7/6v mod... but if 5v vaping is your primary concern, there are more reliable options available elsewhere.
 
Chuck is my recommendation. I've never tried an Xhaler from Nhaler but I've ran across many threads saying many people have tested the Xhaler and the 5v resister doesn't actually do anything at all. Don't take my word for it though, search the forum. So if you plan on a 6v mod, I would say a Chuck at Thagbuilt.com is your choice. Custom built to order, meaning you choose your color, graphics and everything in between. For instance my chuck is Silver and has the bears logo on it and on the back has my initials. Very nice in my opinion. It will take 2 weeks or maybe a little less for him to build it though, unless of course you tip him and they he'll build it within a few days.

The claims that Xhaler does not do 5V are FUD. You shouldn't spread it. But even if it didn't do 5V, you'd still get a 6V mod that works with 801, 901, 510, KR's & GCs for less $$ and it gets shipped almost instantly. I ordered mine on a friday and was vaping at FIVE VOLTS the following monday.

They make 900mah cr123's now that will give you at LEAST a day and night worth of amazing vaping. You need 2 of these batteries to run a Mod PV at either 5v or 6v. The only device that I've heard people have tested and truly runs at 5v is the GLV Mod PV. I think the site is great lakes vapor or something. Not customizable though. Its just silver with the GLV logo. But still a beautiful PV.

Actually the GLV has custom laser etching (up to 7 letters) and there are a few colors available. It has an (optional and for an increased cost) in-line resistor which cuts a volt off the maximum voltage, but does not allow you to deactivate the resistor to bump the voltage back up when the batteries start to run down like the Xhaler.

I believe the RCR123's at 900mAH are unprotected. If that's the case, personally 750mAH get me through the day and are on the charger before they're fully discharged anyway so any risk from unprotected batteries is more than it'd be worth for me. YMMV/Caveat emptor/Standard Disclaimer.
 
Cass, don't buy the hype. No one except the seller himself has been able to show the Xhaler kindasorta putting out 5v to the atty, and even his video was not without inconsistency. IIRC, Thulium attempted to test it on his own, but ended up blowing the spring... yet he seems so adamantly convinced it's working as intended, which I find pretty funny.

You have seen a video that shows the Xhaler running at 5V, have you not? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not working.

I am convinced that it is working as intended because I can taste the difference...and if you can actually taste the difference, what more proof do you need that it works? Isn't the point of 5V to cut the harshness of 6V?

If you intend solely on 3.7/6v, the Xhaler will work just as well as any other 3.7/6v mod... but if 5v vaping is your primary concern, there are more reliable options available elsewhere.

More reliable? Is the GLV at 6V better than the GLV at 5V? Can you tell the difference? Can you get both for under $100?
 

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You have seen a video that shows the Xhaler running at 5V, have you not? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not working.

I am convinced that it is working as intended because I can taste the difference...and if you can actually taste the difference, what more proof do you need that it works? Isn't the point of 5V to cut the harshness of 6V?



More reliable? Is the GLV at 6V better than the GLV at 5V? Can you tell the difference? Can you get both for under $100?



Heh... I'm not the one who apparently can't use a meter, dude. And Drew's revised video still showed inconsistency; maybe you don't understand that there should probably be more than 0.1 variance with 6v (cap loose) applied to the coil? :rolleyes:

Whatever keeps you happy, man. But don't assert something to others when the evidence in support is dubious at best. And seriously, have your EE friend scope/meter your Xhaler out. Maybe he can keep it from shorting out?

Oh, and just because you can "taste it", does that mean it's not just subject to your own personal biased opinion, and not actual fact? Please.
 
Heh... I'm not the one who apparently can't use a meter, dude. And Drew's revised video still showed inconsistency; maybe you don't understand that there should probably be more than 0.1 variance with 6v (cap loose) applied to the coil? :rolleyes:

Watch the video again (here). Clearly shows 5.38V with the cap on, and 6.64V with the cap off.

Whatever keeps you happy, man. But don't assert something to others when the evidence in support is dubious at best. And seriously, have your EE friend scope/meter your Xhaler out. Maybe he can keep it from shorting out?

Very funny. Actually what happened is that I was having trouble making a wire to run between the cap and atty that I could find a way to hold together and still be able to operate the voltmeter without them accidentally touching and shorting the circuit. This caused the spring to turn into a heating coil shrinking it and cutting the circuit--an inadvertant failsafe. After I explained what I'd done (and what I did wrong) to my EE friend, he predicted exactly how the cap would work...and when I got off the phone with him, a few minutes later Drew called me back (at about 11:00pm his time New Year's Eve) to explain how I could fix the spring myself.

Oh, and just because you can "taste it", does that mean it's not just subject to your own personal biased opinion, and not actual fact? Please.

No, it specifically does NOT mean that. Taste is a scientifically valid test and there was a flavor in the vapor with the cap loosened that was not present with the cap tightened. The Xhaler is the only commercial mod you can perform this test on because it is the only commercial mod that has this dual functionality.
 

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Do you not understand what I meant by variance? Go measure a pair of batteries, and it'll slowly dawn on you that the meter behaves differently than it would with a load. And no, your observation on taste isn't as equally objective as an accurate meter reading. But like I said before, whatever makes you happy- just get the facts straight, that's all.
 
Do you not understand what I meant by variance? Go measure a pair of batteries, and it'll slowly dawn on you that the meter behaves differently than it would with a load.

Um...NO KIDDING. But in the video above it is running with a load and the volt meter reads 6.64V with a load and the cap off, and 5.34V with the same load but the cap on. That sure looks a lot like 5V and 6V operation to me.
 
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