Confusion about bottle labels...help!

[hittman]

Let us know how much you end up with in your mix.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

So, to be clear,
If I have my 1.6 mil vision stardust clearo filled with a regular non-wta 18 mg nic ejuice, I just need to add a few drops of the AROMA 18mg nic WTA unflavored (for starters)
(I'm sure I'll know, or at least I hope I'll feel, after taking a few drags, ....and waiting a few moments, if I need to add another drop or 2)

 

[hittman]

That's basically what I did was have it almost full and then added five drops of wta unflavored. I shook it, let it sit for a little bit and then vaped away. The liquid I started with was an ry4 diy that I make at around 24-30mg and the unflavored I was using was 24mg. I have also put about fifteen drops of unflavored in a 6ml bottle and then topped it with a 24mg camel that I make. I think that one could have possibly used a little more but wasn't bad at all.

What strength is the liquid you are starting with? Depending on the strength of the flavor, it might weaken the flavor some.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Some of my favorite DYI tobacco "flavors" that I make using super concentrated alcohol based from Vapingzone. Some are Seedman's and just a very few from The Flavor Apprentice. I'm guessing that I'll have to make some new batches of the flavors a bit stronger when I start DIYing with Aroma's unflavored WTAs added. I have some vendor premade juices that I like and will try adding wta's to those as well, hoping that adding just a couple drops won't dilute those flavors too much, but if so, then so be it.
Heck, sometimes in between chain vaping a dozen flavors in my daily rotation, I take a few hits off my unflavored 18 nic base. While that's boring lol, I then appreciate the flavored ones a little more afterwards.

 

[chewie]

So......I got an order in for unflavored WTA to DIY my non WTA bottles that I mistakenly ordered....

Once I receive my order, what's the suggested % to use?
Did I read someone say they only put a couple drops in a 5 ml bottle of their juice?

I've often had the same question myself. I still have some DIY WTA that I got several months ago as a sample. I went back to the site more than once and read the description of the DIY WTA, and read the label on the sample, (sample-sized because it wasn't 15ml like the kind they sell on the site, which I always find out about the day after or the same day it was available, and it's all gone), or it would be bigger than the 12ml bottles of flavored juices we buy. No place could I find anything reading "concentrated." Usually if something is not concentrated, I assume it is similar to like products sold in it's genre. For instance, if 24mg of non-concentrated flavored WTA has an experienced level of WTA when vaping, then milliliter to milliliter, a non-concentrated DIY might have the same effect on me if consumed at the same volume. I haven't read anyplace, or Jerry hasn't implied in any of his explanations of the DIY WTA that I have yet read, that adding very small amounts of DIY WTA to large amounts of a non WTA E-liquid would have the same WTA effect as using the flavored WTA e-liquids at any nicotine dose level. Unless Jerry clarifies otherwise, I think I would get the same WTA effect of vaping 2ml of DIY WTA, as I would from vaping 2ml of Mint Mango Berry WTA.

I could be mistaken about this, and if so I hope Jerry corrects me. I just haven't seen anyplace that the DIY WTA is any more concentrated than the flavored WTA liquids. That would suggest to a person who processes things the way my little mind does, that milliliter to milliliter, flavored and unflavored WTA have the same amount of WTA. When I have browsed the DIYer sites, they are usually very explicit about the fact that something is concentrated when they offer a written description of it, and show photos of their labels where applicable.

On Aroma's site I only see " This for one 15 ML Bottle of DIY WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloid) eliquid that is flavorless. Choice of nicotine dosages in 18MG, 20MG or 24MG when available." So it is flavorless and contains WTA. Where does it say it is concentrated? This suggests to me that in order to get the same desired effect with a non-WTA flavor and DIY liquid that I get with a flavored WTA liquid, I would have to add almost equal parts of DIY liquid to make that volume of non-WTA e-liquid have the same WTA effect that I am seeking duplicated with the effect I get from the flavored WTA eliquids I buy at Aroma. But at the same time I am doing this, I am also raising the nicotine levels, although those are predictable if you just add milliliter to milliliter the nicotine level of your DIY liquid to your non WTA liquid that you combine, you get your final nicotine level. So 5ml 24mg nicotine DIY WTA juice mixed with 5ml of 18mg non-WTA juice = 10ml of 21mg nicotine WTA juice? (I barely grasped Algebra 1, but I know if you take each nicotine level of 2 equal volumes of juice, add them up, and then divide the final volume by 2, you get the final nicotine level of the combined volumes of liquid.) Jerry has already clarified in a different thread, that the amount of WTA in 12mg nic juice, 24mg nic juice, or a different nicotine level of juice, you buy at Aroma Ejuice, is going to be the same. At least that is what I remember.

Could you help us out with this question please Jerry?

 

[lctrc]

Personally I don't think custom ordering is the way to go, at least for you.

I would agree with this. I feel that the ratio is part of the flavor in a way. Given that different ratios have different textures, the texture goes along with the flavor. Some flavors should be rough and gritty, others less so. Its not so different than people preferring different flavors - some people prefer fruit flavors so they don't vape tobacco flavors, I prefer higher PG so I've stayed away from the Red Tail line.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I thought I'd better update here.
The confusion has been straightened out! I had ordered regular non-WTA infused RedTail and they just cross off the "infused with WTA" on the same label they use for the WTA eliquids. Meanwhile, since then, I have ordered Red Tail WTA elquids and with some help from Jerry and his crew, have added the new (WTA infused) bottles I received to the ones I mistakenly ordered previously.

I've also been adding a couple drops of the unflavored WTA elquid (mine is 60vg/40PG) to a clearo of regular eliquid (vendor and my DIY) and it is working well for me.

The few drops don't dilute the the flavor but instead seem to enhance it! All the eqluids I've tried this with taste better now!

I'm having a good time with this now that I've been experimenting for a couple weeks.

Thanks everyone!

 

[snork]

It's sooo quiet on the Aroma subforum!
IS EVERYBODY HAPPY?

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I'm happy and wishing I'd ordered several bottles of Redtail Dark Honey...d a m n it's good.
However, adding the unflavored WTAs to my other "regular" eliquids is making me even happier

 

[radiokaos]

I'm happy and wishing I'd ordered several bottles of Redtail Dark Honey...d a m n it's good.
However, adding the unflavored WTAs to my other "regular" eliquids is making me even happier

We hope to have more Dark Honey with and without WTA back up on the site. That stuff moves real fast.

 

[MsChris]

In the original Red Tail line all the flavors were infused with WTA. By popular demand, we started offering them without WTA....however, the labels were in future design mode so that obvious answer for those ordering non-WTA was to pen that line out. Didn't look pretty but didn't want confusion. A new label has since been completed. WTA "stickers" are ordered. So....when you order a WTA product, there will be a 1/2 round red sticker "Infused with WTA." Also the label has a code for manufacturing data and expiration date and the PG/VG ratios are prominently shown. When these new bottles start shipping with orders, I would love your feedback.

 

[hittman]

That sounds great.