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seminolewind

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I just got my issue of Consumer Reports and pg.39-

The Worst New Threat to Kids

Manufacturers are marketing e-cigarettes in fruit and candy flavors but not making packages tamper resistant leading to a

sky-rocketing number of poisonings from concentrated liquid nicotine.
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Is this their opinion or fact?
 

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Surprising article, and I wish I could find the graphic/posts from reading ECF the other day, but...

In some sense it might be a fact. Before vaping, very few people would ever have "concentrated liquid nicotine" (which is a misnomer... even 36 mg/ml is only 3.6% nicotine, which is hardly concentrated). So if 5 people were poisoned in 2004, and 10 years later 100 people have been, that would be a 2000% increase: A true skyrocketing. Either way, nicotine poisonings are dwarfed by essentially any other category of consumer goods that have the potential to poison.

In another, truer sense, it's not a fact. It's likely that their data was simply from poison-control hotlines. These hotlines only spoke with people who are concerned that someone has been poisoned, and have no way of verifying whether somebody actually was.

The number of cases in which a person has been confirmed poisoned by e-liquid pales in comparison to the number of articles about the number of people poisoned, and I'd bet everything I have on that.
 

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sky-rocketing number of poisonings from concentrated liquid nicotine.
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Is this their opinion or fact?
I may have missed a study somewhere along the way, but as far as I know...

All of the recent "increase in poisonings" is related to an increasing number of calls to poison control centers.
These calls can be as simple as a person calling to find out more about nicotine, how to handle it, or what to do if it is ingested or spilled.

I have yet to see any REAL "increase in poisonings" being cited, although as I said, I may have missed it.
 

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I have liquid nicotine in my house.
I have toilet bowl cleaner too.
And bleach.
And a loaded gun.
But shockingly, none are within the reach of my 3 year old son.
It's called being a responsible parent.
I sure as hell don't need the government to "help" me be more so.

You may not, but sadly there are parents that do. I think regulations that required child-proof caps would be a great idea.
 

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    While I see nothing wrong with warning folks about a possible danger to their children, the sensationalism of the issue ticks me off.

    Facts are facts, so here are the facts.
    #1 not one single child has died from exposure to e-liquids. (but I sure hope it stays that way)
    #2 most calls to poison control have been of the "what if" veriety. They don't bother to say how many actually consumed any.
     

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    You may not, but sadly there are parents that do. I think regulations that required child-proof caps would be a great idea.

    While I understand your point, I respectfully disagree. I believe that as a society we're already over "related". I mean "regulated". Stupid auto correct phone.
     
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    Ed_C

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    While I understand your point, I respectfully disagree. I believe that as a society we're already over "related".

    While you might be right in general, I still think there's a place for good regulations. I have no problem giving up my right to buy juice in any container I choose, for a modicum of additional safety.
     
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    The argument that e-cigarettes makers are focusing their marketing to children with candy and fruit flavors is ignorant and sensationalism. Adults like candy and fruit flavors, too. Where's the outcry for the fruit and candy flavors in alcoholic drinks? Same thing.

    This is propaganda from Big Tobacco and Big Pharmacy.
     

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    This is my rebuttal , which I'm sending tomorrow after I read it again. Maybe we should bombard them with honesty because they certainly lack it.

    Consumer Reports;

    Re: November Issue

    Your blurb "Worst new threat to kids" is just another attempt to portray smokers and now non-smoking Vapers as slightly better than child abusers. Where are your facts and figures? Where are your graphs showing the top 10 poisonings of children compared to e-juice? Medicine? Antifreeze? Fruity Tylenol syrup? How many children each year are double dosed with Tylenol due being given it with a cold medicine? It's near impossible to find a cold medicine without it.
    Skyrocketing? Sure if you believe that 10 out of 1000 is greater than 1 in 10. You avoid using true numbers and their relevance to the increase in PV (electronic cig) usage.

    CNN states that there has not been any known deaths so far from Personal Vaporizers (e-cigarettes). All the American suppliers of e-liquid that I've dealt with use child proof caps on the liquid. This was not a government regulation. This came from within the Vaping community, as did ingredients and warnings on the labels.
    Children's Hospital of Wisconsin as of 4/9/2014 states that the top 5 poisonings for children age 5-10 are pesticides, personal care products, cleaning solutions, medications, and ethanol from mouthwash.

    If a child dies from one of those poisonous household products, or alcohol poisoning, they blame the parent. If a parent leaves a bottle of e-liquid with the cap off and their child is poisoned by it, is it the Nicotine or the Parent that is to blame?
    Consumer Reports, you boast about telling the truth to consumers backed by facts and numbers. That is an UNtruth AND I CAN PROVE IT. You are twisting what little information you have to create a public that hates something they know very little about, and is helping thousands of smokers quit! What happened to your Unbiased Education of the Public?

    Why did you never even mention the US Food and Drug Administration taken to court in 2010-11 over their illegal seizure of PV (e-cig) parts?-- Which They Lost! Or their untruths announced to the public about E-liquid having antifreeze in it ? How about the fact that the FDA makes 36 billion dollars or more a year from people who smoke cigarettes. Who wants to lose that? Not to mention that child proof caps protect children, but nobody has ever insisted on putting childproof caps on cigarettes to protect those age 14-18. And alcoholic liquor has no child proof cap as well.
     

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    On the parent? Not quite sure what that means, unless you're saying it's just tough luck if the kid gets poisoned because his/her parents don't have common sense. I hope that's not what you mean.

    Oh, no! What I'm saying is that some parents should have a childproof cap because they are not responsible enough to be a parent.
     

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    Consumer Reports has a LONG history of printing hyperbull because thats what sells.
    Its really sad that they don`t make any real effort to report based on the truth, just what suits their agenda.

    They have been for along time now kinda like what the Chamber of Commerce has only become in the last few years, totally sold out to The Agenda.
     
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