Couple of general questions

[MK-7]

Hi,

I'm new to vaping and had a couple of inquiries.
EDIT: the device is Endura T18E

1) I'm vaping a lot at once (to beat craving as explained in my presentation Killing a habit), however, I feel after vaping a bit some heat on leaps. Heat and a bit of the pain at the end of the throat is not surprising but on the lips? it's like the metal is hot, but then it goes away if I wait a bit. Wierd. Is it normal when vaping a lot at once?

2) This morning while fighting the coffee craving I vaped a lot, ended up with the heat on the lips but even with the feeling some of the liquid juice ended up on my tongue...
Is it normal when smoking without interruption for like 20-30 minutes?

3) When I bought the e-cig, the seller set it up for me. But he did something that is not in the instruction? He put some liquid directly on the coil, before setting it up in the device and told me to do the same every time I swap coil. However, it is not the way the manual explains how to do it. The manual just says to place the coil, close to, and have the liquid in the tank without covering the coil with the juice.
I know manuals are not sometimes perfect etc... so not questioning the seller, but what would you do? Online it seems it is used to make sure the coil does not burn: 7 Easy Ways To Stop Your Coil From Burning - Ashtray Blog

However, when reading that page I guess I'm "chain vaping", maybe I burnt my coil and should use the other I had in the box and try to not chain vape so much, like 5-10 min session? I don't get a burnt taste or anything, more like super hot in mouth device.

 

[hell_storm2004]

Heat production is normal. When chain vaping, it would get hot. Are you talking about the tank getting hot or the vapour? Wetting the coil with juice for the first time is a necessity, you dont want burnt cotton. He is right on that part. \

 

[Hobbs]

Had to go look at your intro in the new member forum to find that you are using an Innokin Endura T18. I think that is a great starter kit ... and I also think what you are experiencing with the T18 isn't unusual.

- The T18 has a 1.5ohm coil and the wire of the coil sits right on top and pretty dang close to the drip tip. As such, you WILL feel heat and get some hot juice spit back on your lips and tongue from time to time. I don't know if your T18 came with a steel or delrin tip ... or both. If you have a black drip tip, that is delrin. Delrin, wood and just about anything other than steel will be cooler for you. If you have a black tip with the T18, try it.

- The T18 has fixed voltage output at right around 14 Watts. It isn't adjustable. AND I think that is too high wattage for the T18 Prism tank. I enjoyed my T18 tanks most, when I used them on regulated mods where I could adjust the wattage and lowered it to around 12 Watts. It vaped nicer. Not as "hot" and not as much juice on the lips and tongue.

- Priming the coil is a great idea and most prime their coil. However, it isn't absolutely necessary. The thing is, if you do not prime the coil, MAKE SURE you allow the coil to sit and saturate with juice for a good 5 minutes or so before vaping to avoid dry hits and burning the wicking.

- One other thing and you didn't mention it. Sometimes my T18 tank leaked. It was because I put the tank together incorrectly. It's been a good while since I vaped a T18 but if I remember correctly, to avoid the tank leaking, after the coil in inserted ... tighten the bottom first, then the top. I thinking I remember that tightening the top first, put too much pressure on the coil and wouldn't allow the bottom to tighten up sufficiently to properly seat the coil and that's where it was leaking. I could be remembering the procedure wrong so check the instructions just to make sure. My point is that it does matter how the tank is assembled and in what order ... or it may leak.

 

[IMFire3605]

1) Heat issue. Yes if you chain vape, the liquid and the device you are using are going to heat up, the more powerful the device, the hotter things get. Examples, a Mouth To Lung (MTL) low powered device (similar to smoking a cigarette in draw style) at about 8 watts will gradually get warmer a lot slower than a Direct To Lung (DTL) higher powered device (similar to using a tobacco water pipe) at about 25 watts will heat up quicker than the MTL device (3x the power in watts, 3x the heat generation). Remember the coil in the device uses heat, that heat is conducted through the metal of the device, and seeps into the liquid as well.

2) Priming the coil head, yes, it is always advised to add liquid to the coil (priming it) before installing it into your tank then let it sit for a few minutes to absorb more liquid, most coil heads nowadays use cotton and other low burning point materials that need to be saturated before firing on them or you will burn the wicking material ruin the coil head. The weak link is the wicking, when a coil head goes bad, 95% of the time it is the wicking that wears out first, not the wire of the coil. The manual is a general guide line, anyone that is worth their salt and been vaping a while will know, prime before install or bad things happen first hit.

3) Liquid on your tongue, depending on your vaping style it can be condensation in the drip tip (mouth piece) or the coil due to being to hot the liquid is dancing on the surface of the wire and spitting up into your mouth. If the mouth piece and tank and especially the body is getting to hot to touch, set the device aside for a few to cool down. The vape device body, is the power source, get that battery to hot, and fireworks can happen so be careful. If you are having to chain vape constantly like a choo-choo train, you might look into upping your nicotine level, if at a 3mg up it to a 6mg, 6mg up it to a 9 or 12mg, 12mg (DTL setup this would be max I would suggest) up it to an 18mg (if MTL this to about 24mg would be the max I would suggest), what you are doing is telling me you are not getting enough nicotine to satisfy your cravings. You could also try using some nicorette gum or nicotine lozenges to use as well in between vape sessions, if you are trying to quit coffee and cigs at the same time, "DON'T", you are putting your body under to much stress trying to detox off the other nasties and such in cigarettes as well as cafiene at the same time is not a good mixture to success, this coming from being an addict myself of other things, first attempt to quit cigs I was also detoxing and about sent myself to the hospital in the process, one thing and one day at a time, unless you are under doctor's orders to quit both and being monitored.

 

[Hobbs]

Sounds like you bought the T18 at a local vape shop. Next time there, discuss your concerns with the seller. Heck, ask if you can try your tank on a regulated mod he may have around and try it at a lower wattage (around 12 Watts). Another option is to try a different tank on the T18 battery. I used to enjoy vaping an Aspire Nautilus Mini tank with a 1.8ohm coil topping the T18 battery. Wattage was still too high but because the coil in the Nautilus Mini was further away from the top of the tank, it seemed to vape cooler and less juice spit back.

 

[Hobbs]

I also found in your intro that you are vaping 0% nic. I started out with 12mg/ml nicotine and have moved up to 18 and even tried 24. I would never have started at 0%. But that's just me I guess. 45+year smoker. I'm in vaping for the nic. So yeah, I can see why you might chain vape 0% nic since you were a smoker.

 

[MK-7]

Many thanks for your replies.
Sorry, I will edit my post to have the model mentioned in this thread, thanks for pointing it out.

Alright, so I waited a bit to let it all cool down and went to try again: the air was still hot, a bit too much, not like when I started to vape (yesterday). It was altering taste So I changed the coil, and just for the heck of it, changed the juice. I went from EZ Duz It On Ice to Jungle Fever from the brand Ruthless, both 0mg. I did apply the juice on the coil and waited 5 minutes on top of that. Went down, still felt the hot metal on lips but the air was like the first time I vaped, very smooth. Nothing to do with what I smoke 10-15 minutes earlier with the old coil, with a step back was definitely aggressive and part of the aroma hidden by a burnt taste.
Or maybe was it the juice? Don't think so, since I noticed a difference from yesterday with On Ice anyway.
Maybe I'm paranoid and this is all psycho, but I rather be safe. And I will try to chain vape less anyway

Many thanks for your advice for the tip as well, didn't change when trying but I have now swapped the steel tip for a delrin tip. There was a delrin tip with the same shape than the steel one but it was a bit too loose for my taste, so went with the bigger one. But now back on the smaller it looks nice... I admit, they had the T20 and T18 but they told me they keep selling me T18 more... it looks really nice

Double checked the whole device and manual, nothing about order, just made sure everything is well tight up. I did it from scratch again, stared with the coil, then I fixed to the battery, got a bit loose so double checked till it's properly fixed. then ended with the tip part and over pressed it now several times. Looks solid. You were right, that part between coil and batter can be a tad loose.

Yeah, I'm no getting my dose of nicotine. I ended up with like 5 to 10 cigs a day, and now I went for 0 mg juice. I'm still drinking coffee because I did it in the past, was just too much at once to handle, can't do it all now, got work to do. But Yeah, the goal is to have the habit of smoking covered in terms of feeling, I guess everyone is different but I have 2 cravings: 1) it's the whole body and feels around plexus like irritation, after dinner or with morning coffee
2) rest of the time besides those 2 exceptions I get the craving only in the mouth for the smoke.. been doing that for 3 days now, I really feel I want some nice but the vaping helps so much.
I'm beating it, and happy about that. Nicotine is a very light drug per se, not like ......; but nicotine gets stuck to our dialy lives routine, it's horrible, and it makes it the most vicious one out there. So yeah, just trying to get used to not get nicotine but also appeasing the need of smoking in itself, so I vape 0 mg nic.
The worst thing I have noticed so far: if I smoke with the T18 like holding the cig I feel more relax... it's really the small details, the patterns I have developed after almost 10 years of doing it every day many times a day..

Many thanks for your help guys again!

 

[MK-7]

yeah, I started at 0 because I already cut down the cigs from overall 2 packs a day to 5-10 max a day over 18 months... according to the local shop website and some info in the net, seems like 5-10 a day is like 3 to 6, not more.

Thing is I quitted the cig. I use the 0 mg to vape just to help myself through a stressful time, and I still get stuff like coffee. But it has to stop one day, there is never the "good" time, so I'd do it just gradually. But I'm starting with the most important one, ciggies, and nic.

Did it in the past with everything together, but failed as soon as a big stressful event happened... so not a long-term choice. So I just "kill" stuff one by one, and first is the cig, and with the cig the nic.

 

[Letitia]

I never did understand smokers starting at 0nic or low mg nic. Learn to live without the combustible toxins in the cigs then learn to live without the nic if that is your ultimate goal.

 

[MK-7]

Yeah, as I said I quit. So yeah, I will go through craving. I don't expect to not pay for what I have inflicted on my body for almost 10 years now.
But going on a coffee break with colleagues, or walking in the streets at lunchtime, or anything, and feeling the craving.. vaping helps, keep hand and mind busy. So yeah, vaping at 0 mg just to help me at work and deal with life right now.

I think if I was still at like 15 cigs a day, I'd have bought juices with nic, to satisfy me and then I'd have decreased it. but I was already balancing between 5 and 10 a day, which my local shop considers being the 3 mg range.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Maybe it would be better to ease into 0 nic. You could start out with a 3mg ejuice and allow your body to adjust to vaping. Then when you feel comfortable in lower the mg go to 2 mg, etc, That will help with your cravings and upping your liquid content during the day will help the vaping go smoother and takes some of the pressure off. The extra liquid will also help to flush the toxins out of your body also.

Sounds like you would do yourself and your mod a great favor to have a 2nd setup so you could switch vaping between them allowing neither one to get so hot. It seems you are driving that mod really hard and it is not gonna last for long. Our model around here is to have backups for your backups. LOL

 

[Vape Magoo]

I started to quit with just a single AIO. The experience wasn't fun, seems a bit like yours. When I got a second setup things improved, even on the original AIO. After the third setup it really improved. Personally I found chain vaping taxing on my setup, even at low watts. Being able to swap when one gets warm made a night and day difference in performance.

P.S. At least enjoy 3mg until you enjoy vaping itself more than smoking

 

[MK-7]

Thanks for your suggestion I'll definitely think about it.
I'm trying to control myself on the other hand. All that discussion about vaping gave huge craving, went downstairs, walked in circle in the area vaping as gently as I could, starting to feel craving is fading, went back up

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thanks for your suggestion I'll definitely think about it.
I'm trying to control myself on the other hand. All that discussion about vaping gave huge craving, went downstairs, walked in circle in the area vaping as gently as I could, starting to feel craving is fading, went back up

Do yourself a favor and pick up another mod to go along with. If you are chain vaping(its ok I do too, but have many mods to choose from during the day)you are not using it correctly and you are expecting too much from such a small mod.

 

[ilporcupine]

I won't tell you you 'need' to do anything, you do it your way. However, it would seem to make a hard thing into an even harder one. You are fighting against the weapon you chose.

 

[AngeNZ]

I quit using the t18. But I found the metal drip tip way too hot. Check in your kit to see if you got a black delrin drip tip - its a bit longer which should help. Otherwise - grab a cheapie delrin 510 drip tip from your store.

 

[Jebbn]

I started on the T22 and when I was slowly reducing the number of cigs I vaped more and I have to say I was dragging hard on that drip tip to get past the cravings. The harder I dragged and the more frequently I dragged the hotter the tip got. Eventually I upped the nicotine mg's to try and use the vape less. Eventually I went to a Nautilus2 tank(zelos kit) and used 0.7ohm coils at 20w and reduced the nic. Things started to cool down for me.
Now I can use the t22 just like any other vape without burning my lips.
Take more time between drags, drag for less time.

 

[MK-7]

Thanks for the replies and tips.
I did swap the steel tip and tried it whole day yesterday, really worked better for me. And yeah, I'm trying to vape less compulsively and it's working pretty well, was able to not feel burnt and getting used to a slower tempo!