Crazy question, bear with me....

[Harley0227]

Ok, I need some other Russian 91 users to chime in here....I got my R91 yesterday, built a 1.8 ohm coil, wicked with organic cotton (per PBusardo's video), filled and WOW!!!! The flavor Im getting from this thing is phenomenal, like sickeningly good. Now the crazy part......I had a raspberry flavored juice that I loved from my local shop, tasted great in my Protanks. I tried it in my R91, and omg, it was sickeningly sweet and intense, to the point that I dumped it and rinsed my tank and changed my wick. I couldn't get a different juice in fast enough!! Anyone else experience something similar? Does the R91 make your juice taste as pronounced as mine does?

 

[Spazmelda]

I do DIY, and I'm using a Kayfun lite clone. I've had to mix down both the nicotine and the flavorings because they are both much more intense.

 

[serenity21899]

I use about half the nicotine in all of my RBAs for this reason.

 

[Harley0227]

So, its not just me geeking out about the flavor and such? I mean, for me at least, the flavor is such an insane difference even from my Prometheus clone...I thought that the Prometheus clone was a huge step up in flavor from the Protanks, but this just blows all out of the water~!!!!!!!!

 

[Harley0227]

I use about half the nicotine in all of my RBAs for this reason.

Any way to dilute the flavor in my juice then?

 

[Leothwyn]

I'm curious... were you doing your own coils and cotton wicks in your PT too?
I've been happy with my PTs with my own coils and cotton, but now I'm curious about this R91 thing. I've heard of them, but never paid much attention, since I've been fine with my PTs (..and don't have much budget for new stuff anyway).

 

[Spazmelda]

You can dilute with unflavored liquid. If you do DIY you already have pg and VG available. If not, you can purchase some unflavored in your preferred pg/VG nic concentration and play around to see what dilution works.

Like, maybe dilute 4 ml of your juice with 1 ml of unflavored. If that's still too strong try 4 ml of juice and 2 ml unflavored, etc...

You could also just get some humco VG from Walmart and dilute with that. This will change your pg/VG ratio, your nic concentration, and it will make your juice thicker. It's an option though.

 

[Legolas]

I love using cotton builds in my kayfun lite plus but I too have a question on organic cotton. I saw this "Maxim® (3 in 1) Travel Pack, a multi packed of Balls, Rounds and Swabs are made with pure natural Cotton. Our cotton is whitened and disinfected with Hydrogen Peroxide instead of Chlorine to avoid exposure to harmful chemical Dioxin residues" Anyone know if this is a concern or is this just a bad question? Walgreens and maxium organic cotton both use Hydrogen Peroxide. Is there another cotton I should search for?

 

[Spazmelda]

I believe hydrogen peroxide all evaporates and/or degrades to water and o2. At any rate, you can certainly boil the cotton balls a few times to get rid of stuff that might be sticking to them.

 

[Legolas]

I believe hydrogen peroxide all evaporates and/or degrades to water and o2. At any rate, you can certainly boil the cotton balls a few times to get rid of stuff that might be sticking to them.

Thx Spazmelda will do

 

[CrimsonJack]

The voltage you vape at with the Russian will make a big difference flavor to flavor as well, at least in my experience. I have different sweet spots with different juices, try playing around with your setting on different flavors.

 

[Harley0227]

I'm curious... were you doing your own coils and cotton wicks in your PT too?
I've been happy with my PTs with my own coils and cotton, but now I'm curious about this R91 thing. I've heard of them, but never paid much attention, since I've been fine with my PTs (..and don't have much budget for new stuff anyway).

Yes, I did my own coils and wicks with organic cotton on my Protanks also. The flavor I got was horribly muted in comparison to the Russian 91%. I think its due to the setup of the atomization chamber on the R91, but the flavor just absolutely jumps out of the juice!!! Its definately worth a try if you can build micro coils.

I love using cotton builds in my kayfun lite plus but I too have a question on organic cotton. I saw this "Maxim® (3 in 1) Travel Pack, a multi packed of Balls, Rounds and Swabs are made with pure natural Cotton. Our cotton is whitened and disinfected with Hydrogen Peroxide instead of Chlorine to avoid exposure to harmful chemical Dioxin residues" Anyone know if this is a concern or is this just a bad question? Walgreens and maxium organic cotton both use Hydrogen Peroxide. Is there another cotton I should search for?

Honestly Im not sure, but I get my organic cotton balls from CVS. Ive never personally boiled mine at all, I just unroll, pull what I need, trim, and wick. Ive never had any odd taste or after effect from this method.

 

[Harley0227]

The voltage you vape at with the Russian will make a big difference flavor to flavor as well, at least in my experience. I have different sweet spots with different juices, try playing around with your setting on different flavors.

I honestly tried that first thing with that juice hahaha. With a 1.8 ohm build in it, I was running 4 volts last night at work with a 70/30 Peanut Butter Toffee juice. All I did was re-wick and clean, then fill with the 50/50 Raspberry flavor, and it was too dang much. I even dropped all the way down to 3.3 volts, and the flavor was still sickeningly full and sweet. Am I maybe doing something wrong?? Im figuring out that the amount of cotton you use for the wick seems to have a bit of an effect on the vape.

 

[TheKiwi]

Heh I love boba's bounty. But with the kfl and r91, the raisin profile gets ridiculously amplified and I actually hate it. In fact I recently traded my tai fun GT clone just to get a pro tank 2. For some reason, the way clearos mute flavor makes it perfect for boba's bounty. At least for me. On NETs though.... Best RBA around. And I also Needa lower my nic with em


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Ozwald]

I honestly tried that first thing with that juice hahaha. With a 1.8 ohm build in it, I was running 4 volts last night at work with a 70/30 Peanut Butter Toffee juice. All I did was re-wick and clean, then fill with the 50/50 Raspberry flavor, and it was too dang much. I even dropped all the way down to 3.3 volts, and the flavor was still sickeningly full and sweet. Am I maybe doing something wrong?? Im figuring out that the amount of cotton you use for the wick seems to have a bit of an effect on the vape.

You hit right on it there. When I got my first KFL I didn't like my ADV juice at all in it. I tried a few different ways to wick, changed my coil build & now it's even better than it was in my IBT. The KFL/R91 doesn't necessarily amplify flavors, it's all about the build. They just have the potential to be coiled in a way that can favor different things. Try playing with the build a bit - different amounts of cotton, how much you fluff up the cotton, different gauge coils, different resistances, twisted coils. You'll find a build that will work perfectly with the juice & maybe even tweak it slightly to get an even better vape.

 

[Harley0227]

You hit right on it there. When I got my first KFL I didn't like my ADV juice at all in it. I tried a few different ways to wick, changed my coil build & now it's even better than it was in my IBT. The KFL/R91 doesn't necessarily amplify flavors, it's all about the build. They just have the potential to be coiled in a way that can favor different things. Try playing with the build a bit - different amounts of cotton, how much you fluff up the cotton, different gauge coils, different resistances, twisted coils. You'll find a build that will work perfectly with the juice & maybe even tweak it slightly to get an even better vape.

Thanks Oz, I used to like my raspberry juice, and in my R91, I absolutely hate it!!!!! So, different coil styles will change the flavors a little too? I will try with some of the 32 ga. that I have and see what happens. How about the ohm rating of my coil...as in...I understand higher ohm, cooler vape, lower ohm, warmer vape....will shooting for a higher ohm coil help with some flavors? Please share a little of your experience with that if you can, becuase I really want to learn more, Ive been 3 weeks without an analog, and I really enjoy this "hobby" (for lack of a better term), and dont wanna look back lol. Also, Ive seen twisted coils, but how do they affect the vape? Thanks so much for the help!!! Also, is it possible to use too little cotton? How much will that affect the wicking?

 

[Ozwald]

Personally, I find that my KFL needs a touch higher resistance to get a similar vape to what I was getting on my cartotanks. I like 2 ohm cartos, but I coil my KFL's at 2.4-2.6 (I'm still tweaking a little bit - I've been from 1.4 to 2.9).

Different coils are going to affect it by surface area in contact with the wick, how fast they heat up, how the coils are spaced, etc. The microcoil thing is just the latest bandwagon - they aren't the endall/beall for your juice. Try em, if you like em, cool, if not, try something else. I went a touch bigger in ID (I started at 5/64, went down to 1/16... I'm happy with a 3/32 now). The advantage of a twisted coil is getting more surface area, being able to use a lighter gauge wire (which is more resistive) but dropping it's resistance to allow for more wraps.

It's possible to use too little cotton, but it'd be tough. All that's going to happen is you're going to burn off the juice at the coil & the wick's not going to be able to keep up. With a tiny amount of cotton, as long as it's fluffed up sufficiently, it shouldn't have too much of a problem keeping up. It's going to end with a similar result as using too much - not supplying the coil with juice (either it can't get there, or it's being choked off) & you're going to burn your wick. Keeping cotton fluffy helps both, either you see right away there's too much there or you provide enough negative space for the juice to flow through rapidly.

 

[Harley0227]

Personally, I find that my KFL needs a touch higher resistance to get a similar vape to what I was getting on my cartotanks. I like 2 ohm cartos, but I coil my KFL's at 2.4-2.6 (I'm still tweaking a little bit - I've been from 1.4 to 2.9).

Different coils are going to affect it by surface area in contact with the wick, how fast they heat up, how the coils are spaced, etc. The microcoil thing is just the latest bandwagon - they aren't the endall/beall for your juice. Try em, if you like em, cool, if not, try something else. I went a touch bigger in ID (I started at 5/64, went down to 1/16... I'm happy with a 3/32 now). The advantage of a twisted coil is getting more surface area, being able to use a lighter gauge wire (which is more resistive) but dropping it's resistance to allow for more wraps.

It's possible to use too little cotton, but it'd be tough. All that's going to happen is you're going to burn off the juice at the coil & the wick's not going to be able to keep up. With a tiny amount of cotton, as long as it's fluffed up sufficiently, it shouldn't have too much of a problem keeping up. It's going to end with a similar result as using too much - not supplying the coil with juice (either it can't get there, or it's being choked off) & you're going to burn your wick. Keeping cotton fluffy helps both, either you see right away there's too much there or you provide enough negative space for the juice to flow through rapidly.

Ahhh, grasshoppah undahstand from Mastah now!!!!!! Thanks!!!! I think I'll try a higher ohm coil for my other juices and see how that works. I hate to waste my other juices, but dang, I gotta get this right. I will try the twisted coil as well and see how that works out. Micro coils are what Ive been using, and yeah, 3/32 is what Im using too. I have a 28 ga., 9 wrap, 1.7 ohm coil right now. I'll try the same but with 12 wraps...that should get me in the ball park of 2.2 or so...I'll let you know the outcome~

 

[Ozwald]

The amount of twist will also affect the results with a twisted coil - not so much on resistance (very slightly) but performance. I'm using twisted 32, with 11 (sometimes 10) wraps. Diagonal coil, fairly close to the airhole. Squished, but not touching - about a business card spacing.

 

[Harley0227]

The amount of twist will also affect the results with a twisted coil - not so much on resistance (very slightly) but performance. I'm using twisted 32, with 11 (sometimes 10) wraps. Diagonal coil, fairly close to the airhole. Squished, but not touching - about a business card spacing.

So, don't twist the wire with a drill then? I'm gonna have to try this as soon as I have a second today, Ive been thinking all day haha.