Just depends on what you like. You can only twist it so far before it will break. The one I tried seeing how much twist I could put into it was pretty good, but it did not like to heat up very quickly. I use a shepherd's hook woodworking/shop probe. Fold the wire in half, flame it, pinch the ends with a needlenose or vicegrip & spin the shepherd's hook on the looped end. It goes pretty quick.