I don't know - has Warm Bodies been released yet? They might be sparkly.
(I'm waiting for it to show up on HBO or Showtime, because I'm not sure I want to spend $25 on a zombie love story.)
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I don't know - has Warm Bodies been released yet? They might be sparkly.
(I'm waiting for it to show up on HBO or Showtime, because I'm not sure I want to spend $25 on a zombie love story.)
I am not too concerned. Kryptonians aren't all that concerned with vampire or zombie bites as long as the remember to first, "Rise before Zod" and then "Kneel, before Zod."
Or "Shuffle before Zod"
Whichever.
However in the interest of the conversation, I would imagine that a vampire even with a heartbeat would be unaffected by the zombie bite. I do wonder if there might be some cross contamination if a vampire bit a zombie and then bit the pathetic insects called "humans" and whether the two diseases might create a Zombie Vampire hybrid.
Or "Shuffle before Zod"
Whichever.
However in the interest of the conversation, I would imagine that a vampire even with a heartbeat would be unaffected by the zombie bite. I do wonder if there might be some cross contamination if a vampire bit a zombie and then bit the pathetic insects called "humans" and whether the two diseases might create a Zombie Vampire hybrid.
Speculation: I find it unlikely that a vampire bitten by a zombie would become, in any appreciable way, infected. Vampires are traditionally immune to diseases. The vampirism keeps their body in the state that it was when they were fully 'turned' (for those that were) and even grievous wounds are healed given enough time and blood. The body returns to the original state it was in immediately after becoming a vampire. This is the same reason vampires can't even cut their hair to different lengths as after they rest the hair returns to it's previous length as their body regenerates to match the 'original' specification.
I suspect the zombie virus or infection would not adversely affect a vampire. They could possibly become plague carriers though, in the same fashion as mosquitoes can transfer diseases between animals. I doubt this would last long though, no more than a night as the vampire's healing capability should extinguish the foreign zombie virus.
As for a vampire biting a zombie...it seems unlikely as well unless it was by accident. Vampires need and crave fresh blood and generally have an avid distaste for rotting or cooked meats. The congealing blood within a zombie older than a few hours would likely repel a vampire from even wanting to get close, not to mention that vampires enjoy the hunt/stalk/seduce as much or more than the actual feeding itself. Vampires are stronger and faster than humans, and can see very well in the dark...so basically there is little reason why a vampire would ever get caught by zombies in the first place. Unless zombies overran the vampire's lair during the daytime, perhaps.
I suspect the zombie virus or infection would not adversely affect a vampire. They could possibly become plague carriers though, in the same fashion as mosquitoes can transfer diseases between animals. I doubt this would last long though, no more than a night as the vampire's healing capability should extinguish the foreign zombie virus.
As for a vampire biting a zombie...it seems unlikely as well unless it was by accident. Vampires need and crave fresh blood and generally have an avid distaste for rotting or cooked meats. The congealing blood within a zombie older than a few hours would likely repel a vampire from even wanting to get close, not to mention that vampires enjoy the hunt/stalk/seduce as much or more than the actual feeding itself. Vampires are stronger and faster than humans, and can see very well in the dark...so basically there is little reason why a vampire would ever get caught by zombies in the first place. Unless zombies overran the vampire's lair during the daytime, perhaps.
i find it hard to refute your logic HK...i might try anyway, but what you say makes some sense.
Warm bodies is the "zombie romance" right? emotionally sparkly? :shudder: note to self- avoid it as long as possible.
Warm bodies is the "zombie romance" right? emotionally sparkly? :shudder: note to self- avoid it as long as possible.
HK-47. Your speculation is dead on as far as Rice vampire lore goes.... but to enhance on the speculation.... Rice lore vampires were created by a spirit entering the blood stream of Akisha or Her husband... over time that spirit permeated there cells completely.... all vampires are an extension of that ordinal spirit.... the power of the vampire depends on how permeated they are.... the permeation percentage goes up with age or drinking the blood of a more permeated vampire... OR Damage... when the damage is repaired all the new cells are fully permeated... therefore the more damaged a Rice vampire is the more powerful they are when they recover....
So I would speculate that a very young or weak Rice vampire might become infected (but not turn into a zombie or only turn for a short while) an IF the damage was extensive enough it would "age" the vampire making it more powerful.
So I would speculate that a very young or weak Rice vampire might become infected (but not turn into a zombie or only turn for a short while) an IF the damage was extensive enough it would "age" the vampire making it more powerful.
In my defense for knowing too much about Anne Rice vampires.... at least they are openly gay... in a asexual sort of way...
There is nothing wrong with being gay. There is something horribly wrong with twilight.
Oh, don't be like that. It is a zombie movie, and zombie movies must be watched, after all. They may not need to be paid extra for, but they must be watched.
Ok..i'll watch warm bodies it when i don't have have to pay extra for it
(Anne rice vampires are much better in books than movies)
(Anne rice vampires are much better in books than movies)
And they sure wouldn't be infected by anything...we all know hot steam can be used to kill bacteria...and they are certainly...
so warm bodies is a steamy zombie movie? or are we still talking about Tom Cruise 
Explanation: Most of the classic vampire lore holds that vampires are immune to diseases in general, and don't die of old age. This indicates that the cells undergo a 'perfect' replication process when damaged whether that process has ties to demonic or spiritual essences or the vampiric infection itself. There appears to be no breakdown of the genetic coding even when exposed to things which would alter it, such as radiation.
Anne Rice's vampire lore you are correct about, in that if Akasha had been destroyed, it would have potentially killed every other existing vampire as she was the original source, until she was consumed by Maharet's sister (I forget the name of her). This is a spiritual explanation for the vampiric condition which can make a certain amount of sense but seems a bit unlikely for a few reasons:
1) If the vampiric condition is brought about by the presence of an outside spirit or essence, and the dilution of said essence directly determines the strength of a vampire it stands to reason that there is only a finite amount of this essence which can be spread and that 'creating' new vampires would drain the creator vampire of strength thus permanently weakening it in the state of creating the new vampire(s). This has not been demonstrated to be true.
2) If it is actually a conscious spiritual entity responsible for vampirism, let's say a demon, it stands to reason that at least on some level the presence of the same spirit across many creatures *should* create certain links between vampires. If it is in fact a form of demonic possession, it is not in this demon's interest to have it's vessels killing each other as vampires have done in many lores. 'Diablerie' is one term for vampires consuming the blood of other vampires to gain strength, and is often punished among vampire cultures...but more for the reason of maintaining order rather than a demonic presence attempting to keep control over it's vessels, I suspect. Much akin to our laws about murder. Other possibilities should include a commonality among vampires once transformed, if infected by the same spirit essence. Vampires are as varied in behaviors and thoughts as humans, and most seem to retain most of their human mentality once transformed until they age past a certain point and slough off more and more of the mortal considerations.
3) The vampiric transmission across several lores involves the bite, which often includes sensations such as paralysis ecstasy and painkilling effects (of the puncture wound). Vampire's licks in many lores eliminate a puncture wound altogether, erasing the marks of the vampire's feeding. This indicates very powerful restorative and biochemical processes which the vampire seems to be able to control the transmission of. Many lores hold the subject must be drained of blood near-completely in the formation of a new vampire, others that the mere bite can cause vampiric infection and thus create a new vampire....and that is why those vampires must kill their prey fully when they feed or they create a new vampire each time they feed. Perhaps different strains of vampiric creation similar to differences in other virus behaviors? If the explanation is spiritual there should only be a few (or one) primary methods for transferring a fraction of that spiritual energy to another person to create a new vampire that would work consistently. It just seems a bit too random to be a spiritual influence to me. Another note is that all vampires get stronger as they age, which lends more credence to a viral type infection over a spiritual one, as there shouldn't be a way that strictly feeding upon blood would increase a vampire's ties to a spiritual entity. It would, however, continue to solidify a viral infection in a vampire's body making less human and more powerfully virus over the course of time.
I stand by the conclusion that vampirism is most likely 'intelligent viral' infection. The creation of a new vampire consistently involves draining the victim to the point of near death, and then feeding the victim a mixed quantity of their own blood plus the vampire's own. Resulting death of the meatbag then occurs, and there is enough of the virus present to now 'overwrite' the genetic code of the victim locking it into it's state of when it died. The virus then maintains that genetic structure perfectly with blood as it's primary fuel, thus a vampire doesn't die to old age or disease or even grievous wounds (except the classic 'vampire killers' of sunlight, complete destruction of the body, etc). I suspect that a great deal of concentration must be present in the creation of a new vampire, and that the infecting vampire must be directing the virus actively to overcome and rewrite the new host's body until it achieves control. At that point, the new vampire now is a separate entity and gains it's own control over the virus within it's body when it 'awakens' as a vampire. This also explains why the creating vampire does not lose any strength aside from suffering from a lack of blood at the time of creating a new vampire.
A zombie virus or infection on the other hand spreads swiftly and easily from host to host, transmitted by bites or fluid contact. This performs in a similar behavior to vampiric transmission, except for the fact that the process is NOT intelligently handled. The end result is that the zombies typically possess only the most basic of primal urges and motor control. The body degrades rapidly as it would normally were a corpse left exposed to the elements, so it holds that zombie infection is a dramatically different type than vampiric, much more akin to a conventional virus or bacteria than something more powerful like the vampire's.
Anne Rice's vampire lore you are correct about, in that if Akasha had been destroyed, it would have potentially killed every other existing vampire as she was the original source, until she was consumed by Maharet's sister (I forget the name of her). This is a spiritual explanation for the vampiric condition which can make a certain amount of sense but seems a bit unlikely for a few reasons:
1) If the vampiric condition is brought about by the presence of an outside spirit or essence, and the dilution of said essence directly determines the strength of a vampire it stands to reason that there is only a finite amount of this essence which can be spread and that 'creating' new vampires would drain the creator vampire of strength thus permanently weakening it in the state of creating the new vampire(s). This has not been demonstrated to be true.
2) If it is actually a conscious spiritual entity responsible for vampirism, let's say a demon, it stands to reason that at least on some level the presence of the same spirit across many creatures *should* create certain links between vampires. If it is in fact a form of demonic possession, it is not in this demon's interest to have it's vessels killing each other as vampires have done in many lores. 'Diablerie' is one term for vampires consuming the blood of other vampires to gain strength, and is often punished among vampire cultures...but more for the reason of maintaining order rather than a demonic presence attempting to keep control over it's vessels, I suspect. Much akin to our laws about murder. Other possibilities should include a commonality among vampires once transformed, if infected by the same spirit essence. Vampires are as varied in behaviors and thoughts as humans, and most seem to retain most of their human mentality once transformed until they age past a certain point and slough off more and more of the mortal considerations.
3) The vampiric transmission across several lores involves the bite, which often includes sensations such as paralysis ecstasy and painkilling effects (of the puncture wound). Vampire's licks in many lores eliminate a puncture wound altogether, erasing the marks of the vampire's feeding. This indicates very powerful restorative and biochemical processes which the vampire seems to be able to control the transmission of. Many lores hold the subject must be drained of blood near-completely in the formation of a new vampire, others that the mere bite can cause vampiric infection and thus create a new vampire....and that is why those vampires must kill their prey fully when they feed or they create a new vampire each time they feed. Perhaps different strains of vampiric creation similar to differences in other virus behaviors? If the explanation is spiritual there should only be a few (or one) primary methods for transferring a fraction of that spiritual energy to another person to create a new vampire that would work consistently. It just seems a bit too random to be a spiritual influence to me. Another note is that all vampires get stronger as they age, which lends more credence to a viral type infection over a spiritual one, as there shouldn't be a way that strictly feeding upon blood would increase a vampire's ties to a spiritual entity. It would, however, continue to solidify a viral infection in a vampire's body making less human and more powerfully virus over the course of time.
I stand by the conclusion that vampirism is most likely 'intelligent viral' infection. The creation of a new vampire consistently involves draining the victim to the point of near death, and then feeding the victim a mixed quantity of their own blood plus the vampire's own. Resulting death of the meatbag then occurs, and there is enough of the virus present to now 'overwrite' the genetic code of the victim locking it into it's state of when it died. The virus then maintains that genetic structure perfectly with blood as it's primary fuel, thus a vampire doesn't die to old age or disease or even grievous wounds (except the classic 'vampire killers' of sunlight, complete destruction of the body, etc). I suspect that a great deal of concentration must be present in the creation of a new vampire, and that the infecting vampire must be directing the virus actively to overcome and rewrite the new host's body until it achieves control. At that point, the new vampire now is a separate entity and gains it's own control over the virus within it's body when it 'awakens' as a vampire. This also explains why the creating vampire does not lose any strength aside from suffering from a lack of blood at the time of creating a new vampire.
A zombie virus or infection on the other hand spreads swiftly and easily from host to host, transmitted by bites or fluid contact. This performs in a similar behavior to vampiric transmission, except for the fact that the process is NOT intelligently handled. The end result is that the zombies typically possess only the most basic of primal urges and motor control. The body degrades rapidly as it would normally were a corpse left exposed to the elements, so it holds that zombie infection is a dramatically different type than vampiric, much more akin to a conventional virus or bacteria than something more powerful like the vampire's.
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OMG...if I was 20 years younger I would be stalking you right now. You ARE the Beloved Leader!!!! ALL HAIL!!!
so warm bodies is a steamy zombie movie? or are we still talking about Tom Cruise
Not Tom dear....Brad. Brad Pitt will be starring in World War Z
OMG...if I was 20 years younger I would be stalking you right now. You ARE the Beloved Leader!!!! ALL HAIL!!!
You're welcome to stalk me anyway lol
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