Cutting pure VG

[wizardofozone]

Larger volume bottles of PG are sold at Amazon ..even Kosher. Unlike the 'straight' VG from vape stores that usually state there is 20% PG for dilution the Amazon stuff is absolutely straight and thick as molasses.

With both my late cat and my new furball I refuse to use even a drop of PG but this leaves only water,vodka, or everclear as diluters.

Water makes way too hot of a vape at everything over 45 watts. vodka for some strange reason increases the already cloying sweetness when diluted with VG, and everclear is too much like just drinking a straight 2 oz glass of Redeye ..

anyone find some diluter I havn't thought of yet ? I use no flavorings at all as I have no ability to smell nor taste ... just need the clouds and a nice rounded feel in the mouth to keep me away from analogs and I've even stopped all nicotine liquid ... The teriffic savings of ordering pints, quarts or even a gallon of VG makes it monetarily nice and terrificly cloudy ! ... but I wish I could find a better diluter liquid than the 3 mentioned above.

I use and know about 'Bitter Wizard' but that's the same as vape store VG .. too thin not to be a dilution with probably PG and the small bottles can't possibly cut the volume of VG to make the savings on VG worth it. Vodka is the most promising but it needs a really perfect per centage of mix ... anyone using vodka instead of PG as a dilution for pure VG, please let me know your mix percentage and if it's not increasing the sweetness. Thanks !

 

[PlumberMike]

Just curious why you need to cut the VG? Is it a hardware limitation? I currently vape 100% unflavored VG @ 12mg nic from Nude Nicotine in both of my Aspire Nautilus tanks & my Sub Tank Mini without any issues.

 

[wizardofozone]

Just curious why you need to cut the VG? Is it a hardware limitation? I currently vape 100% unflavored VG @ 12mg nic from Nude Nicotine in both of my Aspire Nautilus tanks & my Sub Tank Mini without any issues.

I was wary at stating how extremely thick this VG is because I don't know how many have actually used pure food grade VG that is absolutely not from a vape shop. If it flows freely through a tight funnel it is not straight VG, and a lot of vape store bottles don't even explain the 20% automatic PG dilution.

You do have me though with your question ... if your molasses thick VG is working then I don't have an answer ... I use a God 180S, A Freemax Starre and a Herakles ... both sub ohm clearos and the VG flow reminds me almost of the thickness of that red jell you get with an Eat n Park slice of Strawberry pie. The God will even stop and read "High Heat' warnings that will immediately stop if I dilute it with one of the 3 things mentioned in my post.

Since most won't even have a concern about PG, and it's humanly perfectly safe, I feel this is why listing it along with the claimed 'pure vg' sticker is not necessary ... the vg is pure, but it's diluted. Only cat owners would care I guess ...

 

[PlumberMike]

Nude Nic sends the test results with their VG that I purchase, it is 99.9% pure Vegetable Glycerin (VG) - Nude Nicotine
It is very thick, but I can chain vape it with no problem, but I'm a Tootie Puffer running my Provari P3 @ 11 watts.

 

[wizardofozone]

Thanks for the reply Plumber ... I have the same problem though with my Itaste VTR at only 13.5 watts and any one of my small pen type clearo tops ... changing straight VG brands didn't help either ... The thickness is identical .. I just think vape store VG has either water or pg for needed dilution as food grade VG is just much thicker ... But I cannot argue either with your expertise nor Nude Nicotine's test results which I'm positive are true readings ... I just wonder if the term 'pure' has to positivily mean 'undiluted' .... I mean, gold is pure even when embedded in quartz ... lol !

 

[PlumberMike]

According to Nude Nic it is as they call it unpolluted VG, no PG or any other dilutant. I was distrustful of the B&M store I was purchasing my VG/Nic from so I went on a search for the purist VG-Nicotine, They appear to be highly regarded supplier
hopefully other more experienced vapers will chime in.

 

[wizardofozone]

Then the problem is on my end ... perhaps whatever makes 'food grade' VG food grade is some thickener they use. It's possible that vape store VG is in fact pure while high volume purchased food grade isn't. I tend to believe Nude Nic ... Since the savings are just too great to be ignored I just have to keep experimenting with the right dilution of Vodka I think ... many thanks for the conversation Plumber !

 

[SmoKnoMoCigZ]

hi wizard. i`m not connecting the PG and cat thing. is it harmful to cats? are they attracted to it? i have been on this forum for a while now and never heard anything bad about PG and cats. i know that the antifreeze we put in our cars must be kept away from pets but never heard this about PG. i have cats and they never pay any attention to my DIY supplies or my store bought liquids. i`m thinking you could cut the VG with PG and just store it where the cat cannot get it?

 

[wizardofozone]

I'm not super informed about it either but check the internet. Many are against vaping PG around cats including vets. It says that even slight ingestion by cats (not dogs) can cause something called Heinz body anemia .. (who knows) Many also say the second hand clouds are way too diluted to be of any significence. I just lost my cat and have a new one so I'm just super sensitive right now ... reading all the opinions andmaking you're own decision is about the best suggestion I can give, I'm just choosing to err on the side of caution ... I'm also checking to see if many types of pure VG can result in various types of viscosity of the finished product just to refer back to the original problem ...

 

[SmoKnoMoCigZ]

I'm not super informed about it either but check the internet. Many are against vaping PG around cats including vets. It says that even slight ingestion by cats (not dogs) can cause something called Heinz body anemia .. (who knows) Many also say the second hand clouds are way too diluted to be of any significence. I just lost my cat and have a new one so I'm just super sensitive right now ... reading all the opinions andmaking you're own decision is about the best suggestion I can give, I'm just choosing to err on the side of caution ... I'm also checking to see if many types of pure VG can result in various types of viscosity of the finished product just to refer back to the original problem ...

i take your word for it being a problem for cats, i had just never heard it before. as for you cutting your VG i guess vodka is the best choice. if you think about it vodka contains water and alcohol. pretty much the same as if you took everclear and cut it with water. i would think 5 to 10% vodka to your VG would thin it out OK. i`ve never of anything else being used besides the 3 that you mentioned.

 

[wizardofozone]

My problem is how freeking math challanged I am ! ... I can mess with Vodka right in one clearo and it causes a perfect mix but only sometimes ... doing it by drops really makes pumping the math up to a liter or gallon of VG just rattle my brain ... plus my 180S has so much wattage spread it changes the results ... water is much more dependable in results but hotter than hell at any reasonable watts over 40 to 45 ... I'm into cloud and 'roundness' of flavor which was perfect with vape store VG ... harder to acquire with the Amazon stuff ... but SO much cheaper, and with sub ohming cheaper really adds up to fast savings ...

 

[sparkky1]

Vegetable Glycerin: Essential Depot

 

[sparkky1]

have you tried distilled water ?

 

[wizardofozone]

have you tried distilled water ?

No Sparkky I havn't ... so the minerals could add to the heat is what I think you are saying ?

 

[sparkky1]

vodka makes for a heck of a throat hit ( kick )

 

[sparkky1]

No Sparkky I havn't ... so the minerals could add to the heat is what I think you are saying ?

I would try only distilled h20

 

[wizardofozone]

vodka makes for a heck of a throat hit ( kick )

I lung inhale and don't notice much of a throat hit ... but the heat is extreme with only water ... the Vodka is so smooth and when the single clearo drops are right its perfect but hard to get right .. I'll try distilled water though, we do have extreme mineral content here in Zelienople

 

[Vapntime]

According to Nude Nic it is as they call it unpolluted VG, no PG or any other dilutant. I was distrustful of the B&M store I was purchasing my VG/Nic from so I went on a search for the purist VG-Nicotine, They appear to be highly regarded supplier
hopefully other more experienced vapers will chime in.

+1 on this. I have never had cleaner or clearer than Nude Nicotine VG or Nude Nicotine 100% VG Nic. Had no problems in Nautilus mini.

Try the distilled water though, although it does give me a bit of asthma.

 

[Kiwiboo]

Pure Saline from the Pharmacy, no more than 2%. Cheap as vodka does not sweeten. Lemon Juice, Lime Juice (fresh squeezed)....but I also make flavour extracts with aforementioned cheap as vodka so Imtend not to need to add much more than a squizz of fresh lemon juice, a squizz of saline and I am good to go.

 

[Froth]

For what it's worth, I vape only MAX VG Mixes(meaning the only PG in my juices comes from some flavorings) and the VG I purchase is from Bulk Apothecary which they advertise as Kosher USP food grade and I can assure you it contains no PG as I am very sensitive to PG which is the primary reason I DIY my juice to MAX VG, at room temperature this VG is perfectly pourable and vapeable right out of the gallon bottles I buy.

Glycerin | Bulk Apothecary