Day 1 with REO - a little help?

[Train2]

Thanks in advance - I know I'm going to get this bangin', with help from you folks!

First - here she is!

OK, so, a few bits of background:
- I suck at wire and wick. Never gonna be good at it, I struggle with every step a bit.
This means that
a) I've been using ready-x-wick in other toppers so I don't have to re-wick much
b) That (and bottom-button feeling weird) has me using NO other mechs, cuz if my build comes out 1.4 instead of 1.8 I want to just use it anyway rather than try again, lol

- I have a few things ON THE WAY, arriving any day now, that MAY impact my troubles. This includes:
- an AFC for the Cyclone
- some Japanese cotton
- better screws for the Cyclone (that goofy big one was all I had for the one I immediately lost - lol)


QUESTIONS:

The $0.25 question: Should my REO have come with an O-ring for the top? I got the two I ordered, but I thought they'd be "backup". Just wondering...

OK, here's the REAL questions:

I am burning my juice. I might get one hit, but even if that one is long, I burn. I'm guessing it's just too low a resistance for my build, but I'm just looking for tips I might have missed.

Squonking takes a real serious squeeze - like a lot of pressure. Should I look for an obstruction or do something to check the juice flow? It works, but you really have to squeeze - like, I don't think I could overflow the atty if I tried...

I'm only at about 1.1 ohms. I want a quick heat-up, but if my burning is cause I really should be starting with something higher (maybe 'til I have better airflow?), then I'll try another build tonight...

Here's my build.
Note - I already pulled the cotton, and slipped some X-Wick in there.
The cotton did NOT look burned, I just figured that MIGHT be it, cuz I don't use cotton much.
Basically getting the same result with the XWick. One hit OK, maybe, but only immediately following a squonk.
Wicks were both short, a little loose through the coil, and getting wet...

 

[muzichead]

There is no o-ring supplied with the REO that I am aware of. I think if you purchase an RM2 there is one supplied. As to the burning, it could be a couple things. It would be best for you to post a current pic to be really sure, but I'll give it a go. First off, what wire gauge, coil diameter, # of wraps and diameter of RxW are you using? If you are using 2mm you should be wrapping a 1/16" diameter coil for it to work optimal. If 3mm, 7/64" is the optimal diameter. This is from RBA Supplies themselves. As to the squonking, you don't need to put a death squeeze on the bottle. Just an even light pressure should work. It should be about a 5-6 second squonk for the Cyclone. I find that a 5-6 second squonk, followed up after releasing for a couple seconds and re-feeding the atty a second time for a few seconds works better for me. It will take some time to get the squonk down, but it will come fairly easy. You can always take either your top cap or drip tip off at first to get an idea how long it will take. Give us some current pics and the other info and maybe we can knock this thing out...

 

[tobarger]

1) I'm petty sure that an o-ring comes with an atomizer, not the box mod
2) If the bottom of the tube is sealing against the bottom of the bottle, it will cause an obstruction
You need to make a V cut on the bottom of tube

 

[Mrs C]

2 more ideas on the squonk make sure the tube is not getting stuck to the bottom or side of the bottle when you squeeze. If it is, cutting an inverted v into the tube or cutting the tube with the slant on the opposite side will help.

Some of the bottles can be stiff. Letting it sit in boiling water for a couple of minutes will soften it up.

I don't use the coils or atty you do so I'll leave that to the folks familiar with them.

Congratulations on the pretty Reo. Welcome to the neighborhood. The naut's will get you sorted out if you give us a few.

 

[Train2]

It's 28 wire (actually thought it was 29, had to go look though).
Used a 2 mm bit, and 2 mm ready-wick slid in, but I don't know if I could get 2 mm inside 1/16th after built. Can you?
I believe it's 8 wraps, it measured 1.09 Ohm.

Until I broke it.
Could the problem have been a hot spot? I pulled the wick to see it fire and glow, and it DID look like one spot was getting way hot before the rest. While squeezing the coil to address that, I broke a leg.

So I'll be trying again after work tonight.

But would a bad hotspot on the coil be part of the issue?

I will also try to build something more like 1.4 this time...

 

[Train2]

Oh, and thanks on the O-ring. Just checking.
And the bottle's not stiff, and tube doesn't LOOK like it's hitting bottom, but I'll doublecheck...
Might just be that squonking is a little "slower" than I expected!

 

[NatGasMan]

Try squonking it with the top off to see if any juice is making it up the center pin. I think Tobarger may be on to something though.

 

[Binigo]

Wicks were both short, a little loose through the coil, and getting wet...

Here's my guess about the "burnt" hit your having. I also have short tails on my wicks but I like to have the ends sitting on the deck. I imagine it will soak juice better that way.

Where I really think your burnt hit stems from is as you described the wick is "loose" inside your coil. If there is an area inside the coil that the wick isn't touching you might have a "hot spot" which should give you a harsh hit. Your built coil doesn't look bad, I think another go at wicking will solve your problem. You want to feel a little resistance when pulling cotton through a coil like this but not too much that the coil will be moving about.

 

[JC Okie]

What tobarger said....cut a notch in the bottom of your feed tube so it doesn't suction itself to the bottom or side of the bottle. Maybe take the atty off and squonk then watch the liquid come up through the hole in the connection. Also, I watch for an air bubble to show up in the bottle after I've squonked then released it. Sometimes I have the bottle cap screwed on either too tight or not tight enough.

If liquid is flowing freely through the connection, put the atty back on and watch the juice come up and over the wick by removing the drip tip and just watching it as you squonk until you develop a feel for it.

 

[Mrs C]

You could be right on the squonk being different from what you expected best way is check is squonk with the cap off and watch 3-5 secs to soak the wick is not uncommon. And yes hot spots can burn juice.

 

[muzichead]

It's 28 wire (actually thought it was 29, had to go look though).
Used a 2 mm bit, and 2 mm ready-wick slid in, but I don't know if I could get 2 mm inside 1/16th after built. Can you?
I believe it's 8 wraps, it measured 1.09 Ohm.

Until I broke it.
Could the problem have been a hot spot? I pulled the wick to see it fire and glow, and it DID look like one spot was getting way hot before the rest. While squeezing the coil to address that, I broke a leg.

So I'll be trying again after work tonight.

But would a bad hotspot on the coil be part of the issue?

I will also try to build something more like 1.4 this time...

It will go into the 1/16" coil just fine. It sounds like the coil you made isn't making good contact with the RxW and it will vape funky. It needs to be in there snug but not tight... The hotspot could be the problem also or at least add to it. RBA Supplies just put up a new video on how to use the RxW and he explains it much better. I will find a link for it and post it up...

 

[vlodato]

Your bottle it too tight look at the o-ring it's most likely pinched. Loosen the bottle and only snug so it doesn't leak. Any tighter and it takes more pressure to squonk imo

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[muzichead]

Videos are on the page... Videos

 

[Rickajho]

Try squonking it with the top off to see if any juice is making it up the center pin. I think Tobarger may be on to something though.

That, and squonk with the Reo door removed to see what's going on. If everything is good you should see a prompt feed right up the tubing when you squonk. With no atty attached you should see liquid being drawn right back down when you release the bottle. If neither of those two things are happening:

As already mentioned cut a notch in the bottom of the feed tube. Even when it looks like the tubing isn't touching the bottom of the bottle - it probably is.

There is a "just right" to screwing the bottle on. Too tight and you can mash the o-ring in the cap out of place - which will create an air leak. Too loose and you have an air leak. Should be screwed on firmly, but not so tight you are hurting yourself doing it. I had problems screwing my bottles on right for my first few days.

If it all looks right and feels better with your atty removed, but seems to be harder to squonk when you attach the atty then you need to start looking for a blockage starting at the 510 connector on the atty itself.

Try a sloppier coil build. Sloppy coils work great - at least in a RM2. Sure do sound like you got done in by a hot spot.

 

[mackman]

For the burnt taste: I use 2mm Ready x Wick on a 1/16" micro coil. After wicking the coil I thread a precision screwdriver thru the wick so that it is snug against the coil and wicks the juice well. I mount the atty on the mod and fire the coil. If it isn't glowing from the center out a quick brush across the top of the coil with a screwdriver will have the coil firing on all cylinders so to speak. I thoroughly flood the wick and coil and let it sit a couple of minutes; one more short squonk and you are good to go.

 

[Train2]

Just an update -

Screws and good cotton delayed, and I just don't want to have any excuse to undo a coil next time I build the Cyclone, so I'll wait for em. It'll be here Fri or Sat for sure. (The AFC may take a while, won't wait for that)

But - squonk is working with no atty, I think the atty adds a little resistance, and I was just "rushing it".

And thanks to the advice to pop a carto on there - I scavanged, didn't think I had anything, but BAM, there they were. A whole box of old Smok cartos, 2.0 Ohms and Dual Coil, not even sure what I bought them for, LOL.
So I get to at least play a little with my new toy.
It's not a bad vape! Not mind-blowing, but not bad at all

 

[Rickajho]

I know it's not what you want, but a Reo even makes a carto better. None of that crap about cartos leaking out the bottom. Squonk away and keep it as wet as you want. Again - not what you want - but it will actually last longer on a Reo. lol

You may want to check in with this guy here to see if there are issues with the stock bf cyclone that can be made better. => http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-supplier-forum/581604-catfish-atty-mods.html

 

[MotherNatural]

Where, pray tell, did you find a cyclops AFC?

 

[AngiBe]

Hope you get it worked out Train!!! I don't use RxW or the Cyclone so no help here. REO works like a champ w/RM2 and KGD

 

[Train2]

There's a new batch coming ANY DAY now - in colors, even.
And I just wanted it badly enough to pre-order one from the UK, here.
Mountain Oaks should be getting them soon, too...

Where, pray tell, did you find a cyclops AFC?