Day one DIY

[Custo]

Yep, read my blog on flavoring levels and look very carefully at #7 on that list. (Link under my avatar. The "3" to the right of Blog Entries

Thank you for pointing that out. Had you not said anything it could have been ages before I saw the link below avatar.

 

[mkbilbo]

Got my order of flavors from Wizard Labs yesterday and was a little apprehensive as to just going for it and start mixing.

First, pop over to the DIY Liquid section. There are tons of "sticky" topics worth browsing that are packed with info. Also, there's a recipe section where folks post their favorites: E-Liquid Recipes.

Also, lots of folks to chat with. I'm lurking over there these days as I'm just getting going myself. Getting more from reading that posting right now.

As you probably can tell, I like the dessert type flavors, I smoked off and on more than 25 years, and since I started vaping almost 2 months ago, I cant stand the smell or taste of the real thing. Now the big question, any suggestions on some really good juices I can make with these? I am going to get some additional flavors like sweetners and butter, but if someone can give me a good starting place that would be greatly appreciated. I have used a few e calculators to try and get my feet wet. I made my first batch this morning and am going to set them aside to steep at least for a day or so before I try them. I hope i'm not disappointed in what turns out. I made 7 bottles of juices, 12 mg nic 20% flavors and I think I made a slight error in ordering 18mg nic in VG instead of PG. Should I order NIC in PG in the future instead. Thank for listening.. Hoofy

Wizard only does 100% one or the other so if you want a blend (like I use 50/50), you'll have to mix with 0 nic. Myself, since I vape a lot, I've aimed for the 6 to 9mg range for the bulk of my liquids. I have higher for, oh, first thing in the morning or after meals when the "urge" hits (you know, the times the urge to smoke would hit the hardest) but "coast" at a lower level. Have to. I vape a lot. I like it. A lot. And nic is a stimulant. Found that I was keeping myself awake half the night vaping at a too high nic level too much.

I have 500ml, 18mg/ml nicotine juice, PG based on its way from Wizard and 500ml of 0 nic VG as well. Which means I can get a 50/50 PG/VG at 9mg/ml nic. Of course, the flavors are 0 nic so that'll reduce the nic slightly also. Highest flavor mix I use is about 20% so 80% of 9 is 7.2mg/ml nic. Puts me in my "target" range.

I wouldn't rush to buy more nic juice before figuring out where you want to go. It's kinda like cooking, gotta know what you wanna make before you know exactly what all you need. And with taste being so personal a thing, what you like is... what you like. You're the only person that knows that. Nobody can tell you ahead of time.

I'd just say avoid rushing. I've made some really awful messes wasted juice. The recipe sounded great. Either I did it very wrong or it's just something I personally don't care for. Hate having a juice go down the drain but a few were just awful. So I "experiment" in smaller batches these days.

 

[mkbilbo]

Word to the wise: use a very light hand with that cheesecake flavor. I mixed up a sample of cheesecake at 5% and it's toxic. I'm not sure what type of cheesecake they're using as a model, but it only has the faintest resemblance to the flavors I know as cheesecake. I might be able to use it at 1% in some recipes, however, I think I'm going to put it in a deep, dark cupboard and try cheesecake from Flavor Art or Capella instead.

Oof. Yeah. Cinnamon and "cheesecake" are a pain. I haven't got either to work and I think they're going to live in the "try again later" cabinet.

 

[THETOTALLYCOOL]

I just noticed Wizard is sold out of a lot of stuff. Not bashing, I hear great things about them. But curious, does this often happen with juice and flavorings from most vendors?

 

[mkbilbo]

I just noticed Wizard is sold out of a lot of stuff. Not bashing, I hear great things about them. But curious, does this often happen with juice and flavorings from most vendors?

Last I saw, they said they'd had a big rush of orders a week or so back and were overloaded. I had to do the "notify me" thing on the stuff I wanted to order but didn't have to wait long so they must be catching up.

Vaping's growing by leaps and bounds lately. Bound to be some growing pains...

 

[THETOTALLYCOOL]

^^^^^^^ In a way, that's a good thing.

 

[Fenris4024]

A very nice start, I would say. I use TFA flavors and have all the above and a few more, maybe all of them, now that I think about it. You need to get some cotton candy, ethyl maltol and sweetner if you want to make some good pastry and creamy stuff. Ok, from your list, I like the cinnamon Danish with Bavarian cream (and cotton candy). That's my ADV. Any of the fruits with the Bavarian cream, say 12% flavoring (7 + 5) will be nice. Strawberry cheesecake (yum).

Ok, some advice. Decide on a target juice, don't just make 20 at once, because you can't "perfect" twenty different juices. You can "perfect" two or three juices at a time. You need a starting point on flavors, there are two really good starting point threads for TFA flavors. In your fruity, pastry, creamy, Danish vein, I would stay in the 12% - 16% range. Just made a killer juice for the wife and actualy nailed it first time (rare):

3.33% of each of TFA juicy peach, pears, brown sugar, and cotton candy (sweetener). Yum. She made me increase the Brown sugar to 5% on second batch.

Ok, steeping. Leave the mixes open air for first 24 hours in dark, cool place like a cupboard. After 24 hours, place tops on them and let them sit a minimum of 4 days. Shake at first, at second, at third (always shake). Single mixes require less steeping than compound mixes. So, if you make a single ingredient cheesecake, it can be pretty good in two days (two weeks is better, but who can wait that long?).

Make small batches, I usually 4 ml tester/taste bottles and do 3 - 4 ml at a time. I usually make five variations for every flavor, AFTER I know the starting point.

What nic will you be vaping at. Since your base is 18 mg/ml, I'm assuming 12 mg? I would suggest much stronger nic base to start as it's much cheaper to dilute strong nic with PG and VG, and you need a lot of dilution to be able to create the widest flexibility in PG/VG ratios. I use 60 and 100 mg/ml nic bases. Be careful. Use gloves with the stronger nic, 60 and higher.

Be very patient. I make my juice for one to two weeks out MINIMUM. You can't mix something now, and then test it. Takes days for the flavor bonds to be created. Again, be patient. I don't even try my juices any more for about 3 days to 7 days, minimum. Waste of juice and it will just taste like a bunch of chemicals, and you may get discouraged. A week later, those chemicals may be vaping Nirvana.

Ok, enough for now. Please see the TFA threads. Countless recipes, advice, starting points, tips, etc. Making juice is the best thing about vaping to me. Plus the gear....and the vaping....and ECF. Well, it's all pretty great. Also, get the right gear to start. Beakers, amber bottles, syringes, pipettes, etc. Expensive to start. Don't store juices in plastic more than 30 days, or you'll get leaching. Amber bottles are important. Cupboard storage seems the best. Be patient (did I mention that). Best to you!

The wizard hath spoken! One of my ADV's has been (for a long time) the juicy peach/ brown sugar/ EM (cotton candy) combo... I run them a tad bit higher in percentages (mostly because I don't have any pear yet), but a good solid recipe.

Definitely worth the start up costs (pipettes, syringes and other mixing materials, as well as GOT TO HAVE SOME PPE (most important being eye protection!!!!) Patience will go very far in good DIY... think of it like baking... you don't take a cake out of the oven until its set and fluffy.... same thing with DIY.

The TFA threads have tons of great info in them, I know they're long, but certainly worth the read throughs. Same thing with the stickies over in the DIY forum.

Nice start. Not bad at all at 7 ish cents per ml for base.

I used to order (still may) my base in multiples of my target strength. For example, double strength allowed me to fill bottles 1/2 full of nic base and the remainder with flavoring and cut solution. Triple strength would mean filling 1/3 of a bottle with base and topping off. Of course a good sale on 100mg base changed my plan slightly. But it's still a good trick.

Also, since I vape juice with a high PG content, I ordered the base in PG. That way, I could do zero VG if I didn't want any in the juice. You have to think about it because sometimes they offer options ...like 50/50 base or all VG or all PG. Depends on your goals. Some people are sensitive to PG and never want any...even in their flavorings.

See the DIY juice section for more info. Happy vaping!
DIY E-Liquid

Great, great advice on the dilluting base nic, Atty... I ususally run a 24mg base and cut it down to a 6mg finished product (its what I started with originally, and have two more 250ml bottles of it, so I'm good for a while!) I'll likely move up to a 48mg base after these finally run out.

I can't recommend enough to getting the nic in a PG solution for mixing (unless you're allergic).. makes mixing so much easier if you want to run higher PG ratios (PG is going to carry flavors better overall, so it seems you need less of the flavoring for more of that "pop", at least in my opinion)

Yep, read my blog on flavoring levels and look very carefully at #7 on that list. (Link under my avatar. The "3" to the right of Blog Entries

Read Hoosier's blogs until you're talking about butterfly farts in your sleep. This man KNOWS, and has been such a help to me in my DIY experiments.

well of course, as you are not supposed to use your more expensive nic solution for *experiements*.

Also, I would not make more than 5ml at a time. That is the top limit I make when playing around.

Once i have the recipe written down, and I've made 5ml and steeped it and it's good and vapeable, then I use the recipe to make it w/nic in it, and make 15ml

This times 1000. I wasted so much juice in the beginning because I was overconfident in my ability to mix a vapable juice. Now I always do a "test run (zero nic) in 4-5ml tester range, give them at least a three day steep AFTER I warm bath them. Tobacco's get a full week. Patience is key here.

Also, as was stated, be careful with cinnamon, as its powerful, and can quickly overwhelm a mix, and it is a known tank melter. (I dunno what delivery device you're using, just be forewarned.

Keep at it, browse the DIY forums, and ask questions. Did I mention to have patience?

 

[Custo]

Got my order of flavors from Wizard Labs yesterday and was a little apprehensive as to just going for it and start mixing. Here is what I got to start with.

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[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF, align: left"]Model[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF, align: right"]Quantity[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF, align: right"]Price[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF, align: right"]Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]18mg 
Nicotine solution - 60ml 
  - Carrier Base Liquid: 100% USP Vegetable[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NS-18MG-60ML[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$4.59[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$4.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Propylene 
Glycol - 60ml[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PG-60ML[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.99[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Vegetable 
Glycerin - 60ml[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]VG-60ML[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.99[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Banana 
Cream Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-BANANA-CREAM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Bavarian 
Cream Flavor (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-BAV-CREAM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Caramel 
Original TFA Flavor[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CARAMEL-ORIGINAL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Cheesecake 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CHEESECAKE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Cherry 
Flavor Concentrate (LA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-LA-CHERRY[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Cinnamon 
Danish Flavor (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CINNAMON-DANISH[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Cinnamon 
Natural Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CINNAMON-NAT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Coconut 
Flavor Concentrate (LA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-LA-COCONUT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Maple 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-MAPLE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Strawberry 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-STRAWBERRY[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Vanilla 
Cupcake Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-VANILLA-CUPCAKE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Vanilla 
Custard Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-VANILLA-CUSTARD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Waffle 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-WAFFLE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Whipped 
Cream Flavor (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-WHIPPED-CREAM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Apple 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-APPLE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Cinnamon 
Sugar Cookie Flavor (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CINNAMON-SUGAR-COOKIE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Hazelnut 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-HAZELNUT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Honey 
Flavor Concentrate (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-HONEY[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]Milk 
Chocolate Flavor (TFA)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-MILK-CHOC[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: right"][B]Sub-Total:[/B][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$36.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: right"][B]Priority Mail:[/B][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$8.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: right"][B]Total:[/B][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$45.63[/TD]
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As you probably can tell, I like the dessert type flavors, I smoked off and on more than 25 years, and since I started vaping almost 2 months ago, I cant stand the smell or taste of the real thing. Now the big question, any suggestions on some really good juices I can make with these? I am going to get some additional flavors like sweetners and butter, but if someone can give me a good starting place that would be greatly appreciated. I have used a few e calculators to try and get my feet wet. I made my first batch this morning and am going to set them aside to steep at least for a day or so before I try them. I hope i'm not disappointed in what turns out. I made 7 bottles of juices, 12 mg nic 20% flavors and I think I made a slight error in ordering 18mg nic in VG instead of PG. Should I order NIC in PG in the future instead. Thank for listening.. Hoofy

Well, let me know when you get it and start making some. Really would like to hear your thoughts on your first attempts. I just ordered myself, blindly.

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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]48mg Nicotine solution - 60ml                    
            - Carrier Base Liquid: 100% USP Propylene G..           [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]NS-48MG-60ML[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$6.19[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$6.19[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Vegetable Glycerin - 120ml          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]VG-120ML[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$3.19[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$3.19[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Caramel Cappuccino TFA Flavor           [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-CARAMEL-CAPPUCINO[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Toasted Marshmallow Flavor Concentrate (TFA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-TOASTED-MARSHMALLOW[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Waffle Flavor Concentrate (TFA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-WAFFLE[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Sweet Cream Flavor (TFA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-SWEET-CRM[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Caramel Flavor Concentrate (LA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-LA-CARAMEL[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor (TFA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-VAN-BEAN-ICECREAM[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]Sweetener Flavor Concentrate (TFA)           [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-SWEETENER[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
       [/TR]
             [TR]
         [TD="align: left"]American Red Tobacco Flavor Concentrate (TFA)          [/TD]
         [TD="align: left"]FL-TFA-AMERICANRED[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
         [TD="align: right"]$1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
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My future attempt version of RY4. Now I did not know what exactly to order and did my best, hopefully i'll get close.

 

[Kellycat]

My future attempt version of RY4. Now I did not know what exactly to order and did my best, hopefully i'll get close.

Looks like a good start. You did get syringes and/or beakers/cylinders from somewhere as well so you have a way to measure liquids? Personally I'd have gone with the Vanilla Bourbon instead of the ice cream flavor, but still looks good, and might be a more creamy flavor in the end anyhow, which is of course down to your preference for the final product.

 

[Custo]

No, syringes or anything like that. I forgot and then someone reminded me afterwards.. Thank you for reminding me again as I forgot again. I'm going to go get those right now.

For the cream flavor I lead one to believe, no not really. I don't plan on using all them in my ry4 attempt. I am really new to juices. Got those as sweeteners, in my mind it made sense. Figured play around with them and see what I have for the future. Wizardlabs was out of a ton of flavors and makers I should get according to a diy list in the diy section.

I have used only VR and HDV ejuice. Besides twice the saveasmoker stuff from store. I know I hate cherry and have not really tried anything different other than HDV's white goodness. Mostly i've been using creamy, vanilla, nutty and caramel flavors.

Here's all I have had on e juices. 60ml Lasts me around 45 days.

HDV:

• White Goodness - I like it the more it steeps
• Dueling Banjos - better steeped, sample
• Cherry - hated this one, sample
• Caramelnut Mocha - it's good

VR:

• Kmax - good
• Kentucky Premium Blend - better steeped
• Vanilla - good

SAM:

• Coffee = it's was ok
• Vanilla - good

 

[Fenris4024]

What kind of RY4 are you looking for, as there's quite a few variants out there... if you're looking for a sweeter ry4, I'd HIGHLY recommend the RY4 Double that wiz carries. Super easy to make, and works great as a base with what you have too... I mix mine at about 12%, and its great! Probably the best RY4 I've had, and I've tried a bunch so far...probably the only RY4 I haven't tried is Tribecca by Halo, but I'll probably get around to it one day.

A word of caution on the caramel Cappucino flavoring: This stuff is STUPID potent. You literally only need one drop per 10ml. And it needs a good long steep. I thought that since I like more in your face flavors, I'd try it at double what was recommended. (2 drops/10ml)

HOLY.
GOOD.
GOD.

I nearly choked it was so strong. I haven't tried it as a mixer yet because of its strength, so just use it VERY sparingly.

Just a few snippets of caution is all, and hopefully some words of advice from what I learned when I started DIY. Oh, and take notes. And see if Wizard has any patience in stock, it really helps when mixing up flavors.

 

[mkbilbo]

"Money saved? meh.
My own life saved? Priceless."

Yes. This. Exactly.

 

[Custo]

What kind of RY4 are you looking for, as there's quite a few variants out there... if you're looking for a sweeter ry4, I'd HIGHLY recommend the RY4 Double that wiz carries. Super easy to make, and works great as a base with what you have too... I mix mine at about 12%, and its great! Probably the best RY4 I've had, and I've tried a bunch so far...probably the only RY4 I haven't tried is Tribecca by Halo, but I'll probably get around to it one day.

A word of caution on the caramel Cappucino flavoring: This stuff is STUPID potent. You literally only need one drop per 10ml. And it needs a good long steep. I thought that since I like more in your face flavors, I'd try it at double what was recommended. (2 drops/10ml)

HOLY.
GOOD.
GOD.

I nearly choked it was so strong. I haven't tried it as a mixer yet because of its strength, so just use it VERY sparingly.

Just a few snippets of caution is all, and hopefully some words of advice from what I learned when I started DIY. Oh, and take notes. And see if Wizard has any patience in stock, it really helps when mixing up flavors.

I am looking for like a Internationals delight Hazel nut, the coffee creamer. I guess that would be my version. I figured the hazel nut I was asking for trouble just like the caramel cappuccino. Glad I stuck with sweeteners or what I think should be sweeteners, for now.

Thank you for the advice it's much needed.

 

[Fenris4024]

Try double RY4 @ 10%. 1 drop of Acetyl Pyrazine per 10ml, and I'd say maybe any of the coffee flavors you might have... should give you a good nutty coffee vape.

 

[Hoofhearted62]

Kellycat, I hear you with the vanilla flavor but as a bonus, I got smaller bottles of a peach and a tutti-frutti in later orders. haven't fired them up yet but we shall see.

 

[Hoofhearted62]

I got all the protective gear as well, glasses, gloves.. also my last order has needles so now I got that covered too.

 

[mkbilbo]

Looks like a good start. You did get syringes and/or beakers/cylinders from somewhere as well so you have a way to measure liquids? Personally I'd have gone with the Vanilla Bourbon instead of the ice cream flavor, but still looks good, and might be a more creamy flavor in the end anyhow, which is of course down to your preference for the final product.

I almost ordered the bourbon version myself. Ended up going with vanilla bean ice cream. Which I love. Gimme vanilla bean ice cream, I may go face down in it.

I should try the other one too. The MBV vanilla ice cream was a disappointment. I want a good vanilla. Haven't yet found one.

(Did rediscover my love of wintergreen though. When I was a kid, grandma always had wintergreen Life Savers... or something like those. Going ta have to check if they have wintergreen in the 55 gallon drum size. )

 

[Kellycat]

I almost ordered the bourbon version myself. Ended up going with vanilla bean ice cream. Which I love. Gimme vanilla bean ice cream, I may go face down in it.

I should try the other one too. The MBV vanilla ice cream was a disappointment. I want a good vanilla. Haven't yet found one.

(Did rediscover my love of wintergreen though. When I was a kid, grandma always had wintergreen Life Savers... or something like those. Going ta have to check if they have wintergreen in the 55 gallon drum size. )

Wizard's Vanilla Bourbon smells and tastes just like the vanilla extract you get at a grocery store, I don't get any sort of actual Bourbon flavor from it at all, just a very pure, at least IMO, vanilla taste. MBV also has..I believe it's Madagascar Vanilla, looks like something similar, just the beans dissolved into alcohol/PG.

 

[Fenris4024]

I can let you guys know that MBV's Madagascar vanilla is pretty much a disappointment (at least for me). No real vanilla flavor... though it does make a decent mixer to "smooth" out other bakery (and tobacco) flavors, just don't expect much a vanilla kick to it is all.

I think order to get a good vailla, I might just have to resort to extracting that myself...

 

[mkbilbo]

Wizard's Vanilla Bourbon smells and tastes just like the vanilla extract you get at a grocery store, I don't get any sort of actual Bourbon flavor from it at all, just a very pure, at least IMO, vanilla taste. MBV also has..I believe it's Madagascar Vanilla, looks like something similar, just the beans dissolved into alcohol/PG.

MBV has some decent basic ones but I'm definitely getting away from them now. Tried some LorAnn but wasn't that excited. Have some TFA coming from Wizard along with a big batch of plain nic.

And just noticed Wizard is offline to move their website. The big EIG outtage really hacked a lotta people off. Wizard's bugging out...