Dems Blowing Smoke On E-Cigarettes

[Marc411]

http://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/dems-blowing-smoke-on-e-cigarettes/

Great way to start the article

"Hypocrisy has reached new heights, even by Washington, DC standards. The same left-wing Senators who support needle exchange and methadone programs to reduce the harm to drug addicts and demand condoms for high schoolers to have safe sex are waging war against the most effective harm reducer of all — e-cigarettes."

 

[bobwho77]

Already talked to my (Democratic) Senators about this.
As far as I know, neither of them is on board with it.

 

[Dieseler]

Go figure.

 

[DC2]

^^^^^^
Well, that pretty much nails it...

 

[LoveVanilla]

Excellent article! Thank you

 

[jcoopercam]

^^^^^^
Well, that pretty much nails it...

ECF deleted my post. Apparently, ECF does not agree that despotic politics is behind the war on vaping. From my perspective, it everything to do with it.

 

[Racehorse]

"Hypocrisy has reached new heights, even by Washington, DC standards. The same left-wing Senators who support needle exchange and methadone programs to reduce the harm to drug addicts and demand condoms for high schoolers to have safe sex are waging war against the most effective harm reducer of all — e-cigarettes."

the only people waging a war on vaping here in AR where I live are the Republicans. They made it illegal to purchase ejuice online.

If you want to stop people from vaping, that's a sure-fire way to do it. Esp. people who live in rural areas where there are no vaping stores, and now they can't get anything online to vape with.

Similar to what Pence did in Indiana. And was done in several other Red states.

I don't understand this constant obsession to make this a partisan issue, when there is more than enough proof that vaping bans and purchasing bans have been put in place by both sides.

The United States Navy has banned vaping ... the ban covers the use, possession, storage and charging of e-cigarettes aboard ships, submarines, aircraft, boats, craft and heavy equipment........I guess that makes them hypocrites, too.
In 2015, Republican Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a package of bills designed to regulate and tax e-cigarettes, saying it wasn’t tough enough. Utah and so many other states are hot to trot on taxing the heck out of vaping stuff. Republican Gov. Chris Christie proposed a stiff tax on electronic cigarettes.......the bans on school campuses, childcare and healthcare facilities run the full gamut of political affiliation. North Carolina which has voted Republican in 9 of last 10 elections, is trying to raise the age of smoking and vaping from 18 to 21. 24 other states have tried to do the same like Idaho, Arizona, Utah....

I can site hundreds of other examples. It's NOT partisan.

 

[bobwho77]

the only people waging a war on vaping here in AR where I live are the Republicans. They made it illegal to purchase ejuice online.

If you want to stop people from vaping, that's a sure-fire way to do it. Esp. people who live in rural areas where there are no vaping stores, and now they can't get anything online to vape with.

Similar to what Pence did in Indiana. And was done in several other Red states.

I don't understand this constant obsession to make this a partisan issue, when there is more than enough proof that vaping bans and purchasing bans have been put in place by both sides.

The United States Navy has banned vaping ... the ban covers the use, possession, storage and charging of e-cigarettes aboard ships, submarines, aircraft, boats, craft and heavy equipment........I guess that makes them hypocrites, too.
In 2015, Republican Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a package of bills designed to regulate and tax e-cigarettes, saying it wasn’t tough enough. Utah and so many other states are hot to trot on taxing the heck out of vaping stuff. Republican Gov. Chris Christie proposed a stiff tax on electronic cigarettes.......the bans on school campuses, childcare and healthcare facilities run the full gamut of political affiliation. North Carolina which has voted Republican in 9 of last 10 elections, is trying to raise the age of smoking and vaping from 18 to 21. 24 other states have tried to do the same like Idaho, Arizona, Utah....

I can site hundreds of other examples. It's NOT partisan.

Thank you!
I've been trying to get this through to some of the posters here for a while now.

 

[retired1]

ECF deleted my post. Apparently, ECF does not agree that despotic politics is behind the war on vaping. From my perspective, it everything to do with it.

ECF requires that you stay on topic and posting archaic references to get people to read something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic doesn't cut it. If you want to get political, go to Outside. Otherwise, keep it out of the general forums.

 

[jcoopercam]

ECF requires that you stay on topic and posting archaic references to get people to read something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic doesn't cut it. If you want to get political, go to Outside. Otherwise, keep it out of the general forums.

Er... You must be referring to the leftist diatribe made by "Racehorse".

Quote:
"the only people waging a war on vaping here in AR where I live are the Republicans. They made it illegal to purchase ejuice online. If you want to stop people from vaping, that's a sure-fire way to do it. Esp. people who live in rural areas where there are no vaping stores, and now they can't get anything online to vape with. Similar to what Pence did in Indiana. And was done in several other Red states. I don't understand this constant obsession to make this a partisan issue, when there is more than enough proof that vaping bans and purchasing bans have been put in place by both sides. The United States Navy has banned vaping ... the ban covers the use, possession, storage and charging of e-cigarettes aboard ships, submarines, aircraft, boats, craft and heavy equipment........I guess that makes them hypocrites, too. In 2015, Republican Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a package of bills designed to regulate and tax e-cigarettes, saying it wasn’t tough enough. Utah and so many other states are hot to trot on taxing the heck out of vaping stuff. Republican Gov. Chris Christie proposed a stiff tax on electronic cigarettes.......the bans on school campuses, childcare and healthcare facilities run the full gamut of political affiliation. North Carolina which has voted Republican in 9 of last 10 elections, is trying to raise the age of smoking and vaping from 18 to 21. 24 other states have tried to do the same like Idaho, Arizona, Utah. I can site hundreds of other examples. It's NOT partisan..."
- Racehorse

 

[jcoopercam]

the only people waging a war on vaping here in AR where I live are the Republicans. They made it illegal to purchase ejuice online.

If you want to stop people from vaping, that's a sure-fire way to do it. Esp. people who live in rural areas where there are no vaping stores, and now they can't get anything online to vape with.

Similar to what Pence did in Indiana. And was done in several other Red states.

I don't understand this constant obsession to make this a partisan issue, when there is more than enough proof that vaping bans and purchasing bans have been put in place by both sides.

The United States Navy has banned vaping ... the ban covers the use, possession, storage and charging of e-cigarettes aboard ships, submarines, aircraft, boats, craft and heavy equipment........I guess that makes them hypocrites, too.
In 2015, Republican Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a package of bills designed to regulate and tax e-cigarettes, saying it wasn’t tough enough. Utah and so many other states are hot to trot on taxing the heck out of vaping stuff. Republican Gov. Chris Christie proposed a stiff tax on electronic cigarettes.......the bans on school campuses, childcare and healthcare facilities run the full gamut of political affiliation. North Carolina which has voted Republican in 9 of last 10 elections, is trying to raise the age of smoking and vaping from 18 to 21. 24 other states have tried to do the same like Idaho, Arizona, Utah....

I can site hundreds of other examples. It's NOT partisan.

No, Racehorse... You're not partisan at all!

 

[zoiDman]

Er... You must be referring to the .... ..... made by "Racehorse".

...

Jeeze jcoopercam. Anyway you can Dial Back the Derogatory Labels you seem to want to put on Members? Which in and of themselves is probably a Rules Violation.

And Not Maybe the best choice when replying to an ECF Administrator.

Not sure how you can Lump someone into the "Left" or the "Right" when they are pointing out that BOTH the "Left" and the "Right" have done things to Hurt the e-Cigarette Market?

BTW - Have you ever been to the "OUTSIDE"?

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/outside.49/

I think you would Like it there.

 

[jcoopercam]

Not sure how you can Lump someone into the "Left" or the "Right" when they are pointing out that BOTH the "Left" and the "Right" have done things to Hurt the e-Cigarette Market?

How is it derogatory? btw... My reply was directed to one member, not "members". I don't see how his rant about Republicans is pointing-out "both sides"... Perhaps I misread it?

If you're referring to my comment to the admin, my reply is a cogent one. I don't see him posting a reply to "Racehorse" in regards to his "Republicans did it" rant.

BTW - Have you ever been to the "OUTSIDE"?
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/outside.49/

I have not. I will check it out.

 

[Racehorse]

No, Racehorse... You're not partisan at all!

When it comes to vaping, no, I'm not. All it does is divide vapers, who need solidarity in their cause. We are all colors, races, political persuasions, etc.



As for being partisan, pretty much anyone who votes is partisan. Talking politics is acceptable conversation......this is America. However, blaming vaping bans on any one political party, when it's not true, is not acceptable.

And I think that topics that start out that way, quite frankly, should be moved to Outside, because party-bashing is not really appropriate to the general forum, is it??? I mean, most people in General don't even want to read that kinda stuff.

That is what Outside is for.

Thank you!
I've been trying to get this through to some of the posters here for a while now.

I have no idea why this persists, but its like putting doggie doo labelled "Democrats" on an ECF welcome mat and expecting people to feel welcome.

if you started a slew of accusatory topics, with the word Libertarian, or Republican, or Green Party in the title, I suspect they would be moved elsewhere.

That doesn't mean that legitimate moves against vaping that are clearly partisan shouldn't be mentioned, because it happens. But painting w/a broad brush is just divisive to the vaping community IMHO.

I don't see how his rant about Republicans is pointing-out "both sides"...

You must have missed this part:

there is more than enough proof that vaping bans and purchasing bans have been put in place by both sides.

 

[jcoopercam]

When it comes to vaping, no, I'm not. All it does is divide vapers, who need solidarity in their cause.

By ranting about how it's the fault of Republicans is contrary to your edict.

We are all colors, races, political persuasions, etc.

Please refrain from stating that which is obvious. It sounds...I don't know... Douchey?

As for being partisan, pretty much anyone who votes is partisan.

Again with the obvious... Keep it up, and I'm going to purchase stock in Summer's Eve.

Talking politics is acceptable conversation......this is America.

However, blaming vaping bans on any one political party, when it's not true, is not acceptable.

Ding! Ding! Ding! So, why did you do it?

And I think that topics that start out that way, quite frankly, should be moved to Outside, because party-bashing is not really appropriate to the general forum, is it? I mean, most people in General don't even want to read that kinda stuff. That is what Outside is for.

Which is why you may want to re-read your Republicans are at fault rant.

You sir, are a hypocrite. No malice intended, or implied... Just my opinion. See you at the Outside.

 

[zoiDman]

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I have not. I will check it out.

Like I said, I think you would Like It.

Because you can Slam whatever Party or Group of People you are Not a Member of, using either Real or Imaginary Justifications, till your Fingers Bleed.

One word of advise though. When you do Slam Some Party or Group or Member while in the OUTSIDE, don't try to play the "Perhaps I misread it" card.

Because if you do, they will Slay You. And your Street Cred will plummet to about Zero. Better to just Man Up and Own It.

 

[Racehorse]

@jcoopercam

The point of my post was to illustrate that vaping bans aren't partisan, and showed that Republicans, as well as the Democrats mentioned in the topic title, have both done a lot to harm vaping.

However, your penchant for personal attacks and name-calling, means that I won't be responding further here.

 

[jcoopercam]

One word of advise though. When you do Slam Some Party or Group or Member while in the OUTSIDE, don't try to play the "Perhaps I misread it" card.

1. Please quote where I "slammed" a group or party; in regards to the vaping issue.
2. Please refrain from insinuations like, "played a card"... At lease until you have provided cogent evidence that "Racehouse" was not placing blame on Republicans.
3. The Liberal game of misdirect and reverse blame will not work on me, so please save your attempts for someone of lesser intellect.
4. I think you mean Advice - not Advise.

Because if you do, they will Slay You. And your Street Cred will plummet to about Zero. Better to just Man Up and Own It.

You're a riot! The only one who will be slain, is anyone who is foolish enough to challenge me.

 

[jcoopercam]

@jcoopercam

The point of my post was to illustrate that vaping bans aren't partisan, and showed that Republicans, as well as the Democrats mentioned in the topic title, have both done a lot to harm vaping.

However, your penchant for personal attacks and name-calling, means that I won't be responding further here.

Please provide evidence of "personal attacks and name calling". If I engaged in such behavior, I will own it.

You said; "both sides", yet every example referenced refers to Republicans only. Why? It reads like a 20 minute CNN hit-piece on Donald Trump, and then ends with "but, Obama wasn't perfect..."

 

[zoiDman]

1. Please quote where I "slammed" a group or party; in regards to the vaping issue.

I never said you did. I said when you are in the OUTSIDE and you do. Reading Comprehension is the key to Not having Misunderstanding on Internet Forums.

2. Please refrain from insinuations like, "played a card"... At lease until you have provided cogent evidence that "Racehouse" was not placing blame on Republicans.

Just giving a Newbie like you to the OUTSIDE some friendly Advise. If you choose to not Listen to It, that is Entirely your Prerogative.

3. The Liberal game of misdirect and reverse blame will not work on me, so please save your attempts for someone of lesser intellect.

Trust me. I have been called Names by a few Very Immature members here on the ECF over the years. Being "Liberal" is a New One.

In the Immortal words of Bugs Bunny... "Eh, he don't know me very well, do he?"

You're a riot! The only one who will be slain, is the one who is foolish enough to challenge me.

Glad I could Brighten your Day.



BTW - You might want to consider Checking that entire "foolish enough to challenge me" Bravado at the door when you Enter the OUTSIDE.

It might be one of those "Pride before the Fall" things.

Just say'n.