Devastating News for the Vaping

[Annette Rogers]

Devastating new developments in the last 24 hours may have just dealt the fatal blow to the vaping industry as we know it.

It's Saturday morning, is it too early to start drinking?

Devastating News For the Vaping Industry

 

[Izan]

 

[Annette Rogers]

AAUGH is right!

 

[Horselady154]

Well, crap!

 

[Eskie]

Devastating new developments in the last 24 hours may have just dealt the fatal blow to the vaping industry as we know it.

It's Saturday morning, is it too early to start drinking?

Devastating News For the Vaping Industry

Huh? That's a scare article picking out the worst and misrepresenting a whole lot of other stuff. I'd love to know who is claiming there will be no appeal. The FDA will not let this ruling stand in its current form as it creates a terrible precedent for the agency going forward on stuff they regulate totally unrelated to vaping.

Also, that claim about 98% of FDA rulings are unconstitutional because they're signed by "low level employees" is utter nonsense. If that were true not a single major pharma company would even bother with FDA regs, they'd claim they're unconstitutional and have their legal departments just kill anything the FDA comes up with, and we all know for sure that doesn't happen.

 

[zoiDman]

It is a Sad Day for Vaping. And an ever Sadder Day for Public Heath in the USA.

 

[vimagreg]

Big tobacco industries wins! US being US.

OK, so let's be pragmatic here, as a lot of forum users aren't Americans. This news is about US, and only US. Vaping industry won't die, maybe only in US which has a history of graciously giving monopolies for whom can pay for it. And even in US there's Canada, a truly liberal country, next to you. I live in Brazil. Vaping is already prohibited here. And I still can vape normally. Ok, I have to pay more for my stuff, but that's a Brazilian tale. I'm sad for Americans, who will be obligated to vape only Juul and IQOs trash stuff in a very short time, but only to be clear: as we live outside US and FDA has absolutely nothing to do with us, nor the s***t lobbyists of that country, that's nothing to fear here.

I'm really sorry for you, American friends. [emoji17]

 

[stols001]

I'm not throwing in the towel quite yet. Okay so there has been a ruling.

They get overturned all the time, and I don't think "the future of all vaping is lost."

I do think it was a bit scare tacticy. And I can be fairly scared of things. I mean it's useful information to know just a bit shrill.

Anna

 

[B2L]

I'm not throwing in the towel quite yet.

Me either, but I’ve definitely made sure my towel is out of reach of the government

 

[stols001]

You never travel in life without your towel.

I would be fine but life would be less fun unless I get fired and can turn into Anna of Arc with my flaming sword for REAL.

Haven't seen to many equines in Douglas to steal but I haven't been looking.

Anna

 

[somdcomputerguy]

..and can turn into Anna of Arc with my flaming sword..

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[sofarsogood]

A few years back I recall estimating that America has just 3% of the world's smokers but may be we buy a much higher percent of the products. The off shore companies will certainly notice a decline in sales but they still have that other 97% of smokers to go after. Even the American companies in the vape business can survive if they have an export market. For instance, Evolv will continue to make their boards--for export.

 

[vimagreg]

A few years back I recall estimating that America has just 3% of the world's smokers but may be we buy a much higher percent of the products. The off shore companies will certainly notice a decline in sales but they still have that other 97% of smokers to go after. Even the American companies in the vape business can survive if they have an export market. For instance, Evolv will continue to make their boards--for export.

This. In the end I really don't think US is so decisive for vape market at all. I can't sell my products on US? Ok, so I'll sell it at Europe, Middle East, Asia... And for US customers, unfortunately, some monopoly of the big tobacco companies. Juul for everyone, folks! At least until some decent folks could turn off this absurd in some way.

 

[sofarsogood]

This. In the end I really don't think US is so decisive for vape market at all. I can't sell my products on US? Ok, so I'll sell it at Europe, Middle East, Asia... And for US customers, unfortunately, some monopoly of the big tobacco companies. Juul for everyone, folks! At least until some decent folks could turn off this absurd in some way.

The way things are unfolding are highly contrary to the Trumpian approach to regulation. But will the administration notice?

 

[Annette Rogers]

The way things are unfolding are highly contrary to the Trumpian approach to regulation. But will the administration notice?

That's a good question and I wonder about that myself. I got hopeful when Scott "Epidemic" Gottlieb resigned right after taking his stringent anti-vaping proposal to the White House. As I wrote in our blog post:

"Gottlieb himself claimed he was resigning to “spend more time with family,” specifically claiming the commute was too taxing (the Gottlieb clan are stationed in Westport, Connecticut). However, there are some reasons to suspect there is more at work here.

"Apparently, Gottlieb visited the White House a mere four days before his resignation. FDA spokeswoman, Jennifer Rodriguez confirmed Gottlieb’s White House visit on March 1st, but was tight lipped about any further details.

"A report by Axios, however, stated that Gottlieb was there to pitch a proposal that would have required any retailer that sold flavored electronic cigarettes to require potential customers to show I.D. at the door prior to entering the store. The cost and hassle to businesses and customers alike from this plan is obvious. Every gas station, pharmacy and convenience store that carried e-cig products would have to hire and station employees at their entrances to perform this check. It would also prevent underage shoppers from being able to enter these stores. The obvious outcome would be an effective ban on the sale of e-cigs at these establishments."

Unfortunately, things haven't gotten better since Gottlieb's resignation.

 

[DaveP]

It's definitely a time where DIY supplies and sufficient hardware stock would be necessary for current vapers to weather the storm. If you aren't mixing your own juice, now would be the time to stock up on nic. Flavors, PG, and VG will probably not be affected since they are multipurpose items with longstanding records for cooking and various health uses.

 

[Annette Rogers]

It's definitely a time where DIY supplies and sufficient hardware stock would be necessary for current vapers to weather the storm. If you aren't mixing your own juice, now would be the time to stock up on nic. Flavors, PG, and VG will probably not be affected since they are multipurpose items with longstanding records for cooking and various health uses.

I think we'll have a bit more time so it might be advisable to wait before stocking up, especially since nic in particular tends to degrade over time. Even in a worst case scenario, we're probably four months away from the application deadline and you can bet that a lot of vape manufacturers will submit some kind of application giving them up to another year after that. If the judge sides with FDA then we're likely 10 months away from the application deadline. I'd say be prepared but don't pounce yet...

 

[bombastinator]

This makes me want to know more about this pediatrics association and where they are getting their information from.

 

[stols001]

Based on my (albeit limited) experience in working for two different location pedes offices, you don't want to know. They are making it up. They are pulling it out of their orifices.

They know nothing. One newish one asked me about vaping and I could not contain myself. I was like, "Yeah, I know I am supposed to hate it for HERE. Vaping is UNBELIEVABLY safe compared to smoking, and if you don't believe me go to the Royal Collage of Physicians and some other places and read THEIR research. THEN, prepare to have your MIND blown by how politics affects "Science'" and question everything you know."

That provider hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Anna

 

[Annette Rogers]

This makes me want to know more about this pediatrics association and where they are getting their information from.

And where they're getting their money from, too, perhaps?