Diacetyl Free - Does it Matter?

[sparkky1]

I agree with this, but thats why if you want to be successful as a juice company you don't just make one bottle at a time...yes I agree they have overhead, but that is just part of the business - practically everything has overhead - the objective though is to be so successful that you are making more money then what your overhead cost is ect ect ect...

Vendor I most often go with charges me $9 for 30 ml bottle. So, when I see anything over say $15 in discussions like this, I'm like who you all paying for your juice?

Gotcha, I was just curious - I usually pay around $10 - $15, more then that doesn't seem to worth it to me....granted I have tried juices that come in at the $20 -30 range for 30ml, but I personally don't pay for those myself[/QUOTE]

Oh then you especially should like the new sin tax format in the near future and already .55 cents ml in some places.

 

[Moonbogg]

hmm...Look at "Mad Hatter" - only one flavor, they do crazy business...."ANML", two or three flavors I think...Cosmic Fog - Lost Fog Collection - three flavors..I know there are more but thats just what I could think of off the top of my head - please think before typing

Don't forget grant's vanilla custard. One flavor. Dude's probably rich. Dude also won't disclose AP levels.

 

[skoony]

DA is no worse than PG/VG? interesting. havn't heard that one before.
any evidence to back that up?

Reread my post. That is not what I said. To the FDA their all as potentially
bad. Each and every ingredient and all the chemicals that make up the
ingredients. As of this time there is no scientific evidence indicating
diketones are any more or any less safe than anything else in the
juice. The FDA considers any part or component of a e-cigarette
assembled or not as a potential source of harm although I am
not aware of of any evidence indicating that when not abused
that any harm has occurred.
Regards
Mike

 

[Asbestos4004]

Don't forget grant's vanilla custard. One flavor. Dude's probably rich. Dude also won't disclose AP levels.

His has apparently been tested and passed. I remember seeing some kind of certificate somewhere. How? No idea....that stuff is chock full of Capella V1

 

[Moonbogg]

His has apparently been tested and passed. I remember seeing some kind of certificate somewhere. How? No idea....that stuff is chock full of Capella V1

I saw the certificate. There are no numbers on it. I asked him to reveal the actual test results and...its not happening. He refused outright.

 

[sparkky1]

Don't forget grant's vanilla custard. One flavor. Dude's probably rich. Dude also won't disclose AP levels.

Ya well, we just clone that one these day's ...........

 

[Asbestos4004]

Can't ask for anything more official than that! LOL

 

[Moonbogg]

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Can't ask for anything more official than that! LOL

Lol exactly. I asked him via email for a real test result and we had some correspondence back and forth, but it wasn't happening. He knows damn right what the results will show. At least that's my guess. If it was clean he would show it in order to settle the issue, but its probably as filthy, and as lied about as the worst of them.

 

[AzPlumber]

why don't you just say what you are trying to say? what is your view?

If you bother to read my posts, you'll know exactly where I stand on the issue.

if you bother to read my posts, you will already see that my thoughts on nicotine removal vs D/AP removal is:
that one is needed, and one is not. nic needs to be in eliquid in order to help smokers quit D/AP does not.
so, again.....what's your point?

So we dance, should nicotine be banned for people that don't "need" it, you know the people that just enjoy it? It is a poison that will kill you (same argument for Diacetyl removal). On your crusade to save vapers from evil you call for the removal of Diacetyl so why not the removal of recreational nicotine?

 

[sparkky1]

Lol exactly. I asked him via email for a real test result and we had some correspondence back and forth, but it wasn't happening. He knows damn right what the results will show. At least that's my guess. If it was clean he would show it in order to settle the issue, but its probably as filthy, and as lied about as the worst of them.

How's that DIY juice comin along ?

 

[Moonbogg]

If you bother to read my posts, you'll know exactly where I stand on the issue.



So we dance, should nicotine be banned for people that don't "need" it, you know the people that just enjoy it? It is a poison that will kill you (same argument for Diacetyl removal). On your crusade to save vapers from evil you call for the removal of Diacetyl so why not the removal of recreational nicotine?

"recreational nicotine"

Separately they are both just words, but put together they form the most idiotic concept I have ever heard of. I am addicted to nicotine and am trying to break that addiction. I'm almost there.
Only a self deluded addict is capable of convincing themselves that their expensive vaping habit is solely motivated by their desire for "recreation".

 

[Moonbogg]

How's that DIY juice comin along ?

I'm not bothering. I am on my last tank of 1.5mg and have two bottles of 0mg coming today. I went 3 days vaping nothing but 0mg that a friend gave me, and it wasn't very hard. It was only uncomfortable once in a while, but it was NOTHING like stopping cold turkey from 12mg. My god that was horrendous.
So I will finish my 0mg and intend on being done with it, but will allow myself the freedom to vape 0mg if I have a desire. Vaping allows me the flexibility to ease a random craving using 0mg without being forced to consume nicotine again and backslide with regard to the physical addiction. I think I got it this time, but we'll see.

 

[skoony]

I am just going to throw this out here. I get the impression from time to
time some people wear their addiction to nicotine on their shirt sleeves.
Regards
Mike

 

[DC2]

"recreational nicotine"

Separately they are both just words, but put together they form the most idiotic concept I have ever heard of. I am addicted to nicotine and am trying to break that addiction. I'm almost there.
Only a self deluded addict is capable of convincing themselves that their expensive vaping habit is solely motivated by their desire for "recreation".

Wow, that comment is the height of self-centered, disgusting ignorance.
And it ignores mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Also, it implies that everyone is alike.
Namely that everyone is exactly like you.

I'm sure that holds true in all other areas of your life as well.
SMH

 

[AzPlumber]

"recreational nicotine"

Separately they are both just words, but put together they form the most idiotic concept I have ever heard of. I am addicted to nicotine and am trying to break that addiction. I'm almost there.
Only a self deluded addict is capable of convincing themselves that their expensive vaping habit is solely motivated by their desire for "recreation".

So only addicts use vaporized nicotine? Can you support that comment?

 

[Moonbogg]

So only addicts use vaporized nicotine? Can you support that comment?

Recreational vaping makes sense. Recreational vaping of e-liquid with nicotine doesn't make sense. Sure people can do it, but people can also HUFF GASOLINE recreationally, and they do.

 

[sparkky1]

I'm not bothering. I am on my last tank of 1.5mg and have two bottles of 0mg coming today. I went 3 days vaping nothing but 0mg that a friend gave me, and it wasn't very hard. It was only uncomfortable once in a while, but it was NOTHING like stopping cold turkey from 12mg. My god that was horrendous.
So I will finish my 0mg and intend on being done with it, but will allow myself the freedom to vape 0mg if I have a desire. Vaping allows me the flexibility to ease a random craving using 0mg without being forced to consume nicotine again and backslide with regard to the physical addiction. I think I got it this time, but we'll see.

That's awesome, I can whip you up some 1mg/ml grants clone for you or send you the recipe, if you ever change your mind.

 

[Moonbogg]

That's awesome, I can whip you up some 1mg/ml grants clone for you or send you the recipe, if you ever change your mind.

Thanks man. That wouldn't happen to be the DIKETONE LOADED version, would it?

 

[sparkky1]

Recreational vaping makes sense. Recreational vaping of e-liquid with nicotine doesn't make sense. Sure people can do it, but people can also HUFF GASOLINE recreationally, and they do.

Are you serous ? someone needs to red flag that .................

 

[sparkky1]

Thanks man. That wouldn't happen to be the DIKETONE LOADED version, would it?

Of course not, V2, I gotta another made with flavourart custard with analysis certificate if you need it .................