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Hey yourself ! I asked Bull City Vapors and they told me that they only carry their vape line and not the Kitchen Magic line. I'm pretty sure it's the same with Ecigexpress as well. I'm actually going through some FA recipes from HIC and others to try to find out which flavors to order. Seems he uses a lot of Fresh Cream and Vienna Cream in his recipes. I've also heard they have the most realistic fruit flavors out of all flavor vendors out there.
I love a lot, but far form all, of FlavourArt. They sure do a lot well, but when they get it wrong, thye are wrong as the worst. LOL.
ECX is still dealing the KM line: Condensed Milk by FlavourArt (this is not DA free as it's from their Kitchen Magic line. They at least say so. But it's worth noting that sometimes sites don't distinguish between what FA deems appropriate for vaping and what they mean for food-stuff.)
ECX is still dealing the KM line: Condensed Milk by FlavourArt (this is not DA free as it's from their Kitchen Magic line. They at least say so. But it's worth noting that sometimes sites don't distinguish between what FA deems appropriate for vaping and what they mean for food-stuff.)
hmm ... i will stick with BCV then. when i'm ready to order i will get in touch to get your opinion on some of the ones i'm considering. Lot's of people are raving about their new 'Joy' flavor.
For sure. And yes, BCV does a good job of keeping up with their labeling. They are not infallible, but they do better (IMO) than most. WIzardlabs is catching up though (if not already caught up). And I must check out this "Joy" you are talking about, I am too out-of-the-loop. I need to see what's up!
here's HIC's note on the flavor :
FA Joy
If you're familiar with funnel cakes, imagine sugar-sprinkled funnel cakes sent on a trip through the cotton candy machine. That's this flavor. I taste zero difference in this fresh-mixed and steeped for 4 days.
You'll immediately recognize the cotton candy flavor as part of Joy. But FA's is a big improvement over plain ethyl maltol. The more you vape it, the more impressive it gets. By adding the fried-sweet-bakery flavor (like funnel cakes) and a little super-sweet vanilla, FA has made this into a very appealing standalone vape. 3% in max-VG is sweet awesomeness; 2% is danged good; over 3% is cloying to me.
Most brands’ Cotton Candy flavors fade in sweetness at the end of an exhale or include a fake-chemical flavor right at the end. FA fixed all that in their version, so it's sweet from the moment vapor hits your tongue all the way through the end of an exhale. This cotton candy is delicious all by itself, not just made to be a sweetener. Of course, that's how I'll try it next, as a sweetener. I expect Joy will show up as in ingredient in LOTS of sweet recipes. It's sure to be in mine.
Everyone DIYer who likes sweet flavors needs this one. Vape it standalone, then add a touch of your favorite fruit (or spice - Cinnamon Ceylon is good with it), then see how it works in your recipes. Try it as a sweetener for strong fruit flavors and bakery recipes.
p.s. - I saw a description saying Joy has the flavors of apple, toffee, and popcorn. Nope! (and thank goodness) If you've had funnel cakes and had cotton candy, I think you'll agree with my description.
p.p.s - yes, it makes Cinnamon Ceylon taste sweet, and it emphasizes subtle spice flavors in a recipe
One side (greatly) exaggerates risks and the other side mocks the fears. I believe they offset each other.
Guess who else exaggerates risks for vaping?
"Currently alive to tell about it" isn't even exaggerating a fear, but spinning the currently available evidence of harm with accurate optimism.
I hope the "you are free to believe what you wish" rationale holds up post FDA deeming.
Omg thanks so much my vendor has FlavourArt so I'm stoked. They have no details about ingredients on their site which is a shame but is what makes this forum great.
Thanks again
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True, but does that mean you should join them? Two sides of the same coin? I guess that does something.
Optimism is good, but spinning is spinning.
Yes, I hope post FDA-deeming I will be free to do the same because having concerns, one way or the other, does not equate to supporting the dismantling of the vape industry.
I was concerned and switched to unflavored. I use drops of flavor from Mr. Eliquid if I want flavor. They have eliquid tests on their products on their webpage.
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When I observe risks be exaggerated, yes, it doe mean I will join the side that mocks the fears.
Agreed. One side is spinning accurately, and the other via exaggeration, or far reaching, non-scientific claims.
In a thread about diacetyl in flavors, I have really no issue with posts like #31, along the lines of "I have concern and made personal decision." And do take issue with "known risk" or "shown to be harmful" type language. Could say the same thing about nicotine. Some do. Spinning via exaggeration to frame vaping in pessimistic light.
Agreed. But if "concerns" turn into "known risks, according what FDA has told us" then not sure how free people will be to believe what they wish. Just look at SHS as prime example. Those that even question the data go against the grain and are treated as loonies. To me, those loonies are spinning accurately, while those who have "concerns" over SHS are the loonies. And those loonies have managed to restrict liberties (usage) based on propaganda.
Like quite a few others, I am adamant about avoiding DAP/bad stuff in e-juice. I vape primarily unflavored, sometimes add a bit of flavorings that I'm fairly confident are free of diketones (menthol, basic fruit stuff from trusted/tested vendors).
I'm all about harm reduction. Taking diketones out of the equation is a big part of that.
I'm all about harm reduction. Taking diketones out of the equation is a big part of that.
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