Did I do something bad here?

[Myk]

I did want to chime in on the spanking conversation, as a child who was punished corporally, it never really taught me anything other than "better not get caught" rather than "better not do this at all" which is what my parents intended. Small children don't understand that they are being hit as a direct result of something they did, they have already forgotten about it by the time the swat comes. I do use spanking and will continue to do so if something dangerous is being played with, like a kitchen knife. Otherwise it's taking away privileges and giving more chores, the worst punishment ever!

If the excuse against corporal punishment is they don't remember and don't make the connection wouldn't the same apply to all punishment and teaching?

My niece had my great niece speaking sign language long before she could make any kind of understandable attempts at words. She could scream in an attempt get what she wanted like most babies, or she could be told to calm down and sign what she wanted. They recommend starting baby sign language at 3-9 months.

I hear the same excuse about dogs not remembering to keep people from hitting them. It's wrong and can lead to a badly behaved animal that gets abused, dumped or staked out in the yard. Instead of telling people puppies can't remember I tell them the time to start training is as soon as you get it.

 

[minimalsaint]

Very interesting thread.
I have never been able to understand the casuality of putting children at needless risk.
Any parent worth their salt will make a conscious decision not to put their children in harm's way if given a choice. This includes second hand vapor. Do we know how bit effects us long term? No. Do we know the effects on undeveloped tissues such as a baby's lungs or mucous membranes? No.
Are you prepared to shoulder the burden if studies find that our vaping has long lasting and deadly effects, even in second-hand form, and you made the decision not to eliminate the potential risk because you thought it was harmless?

As for giving baby his first PV..... Does it concern you in the least that he mimicked the functionality of your device so that- if you ever did happen to leave your device out, he would know exactly what to do once he got ahold of it?

And saying you can't not vape in front of your kids...... If being a parent has taught me anything, it is restraint. I suggest the practice.

 

[FinallyQuit]

If only my children responded to training like puppies! You have a perfectly valid argument, and the sign language is a wonderful tool.

I just really remember my mother telling us all.day.long "I'm telling your father when he gets home." Each day we got spanked before dinner. It was like a routine. We knew we were deviling our mom, but the delayed spanking wasn't much of a threat. If we were bad 25 times or 1 time we got the same spanking. When my oldest was around 2 I realized that spanking her wasn't changing her behavior, and I had to look for a better way. And, as I stated, I will use corporal punishment when I feel it is called for, but for most things with-holding prized possessions or privileges gets the point across better.

 

[Myk]

Very interesting thread.
I have never been able to understand the casuality of putting children at needless risk.
Any parent worth their salt will make a conscious decision not to put their children in harm's way if given a choice. This includes second hand vapor. Do we know how bit effects us long term? No. Do we know the effects on undeveloped tissues such as a baby's lungs or mucous membranes? No.
Are you prepared to shoulder the burden if studies find that our vaping has long lasting and deadly effects, even in second-hand form, and you made the decision not to eliminate the potential risk because you thought it was harmless?

As for giving baby his first PV..... Does it concern you in the least that he mimicked the functionality of your device so that- if you ever did happen to leave your device out, he would know exactly what to do once he got ahold of it?

And saying you can't not vape in front of your kids...... If being a parent has taught me anything, it is restraint. I suggest the practice.

The second hand smoke claims were a lie (and if you want to get technical about the test results you should be exposing kids to SHS as it showed a statistically insignificant protection against future lung cancer, but protection nonetheless). Unless there is some kind of allergic reaction exposure to PG/VG and flavoring in the air being bad is highly unlikely.

 

[Myk]

If only my children responded to training like puppies! You have a perfectly valid argument, and the sign language is a wonderful tool.

I just really remember my mother telling us all.day.long "I'm telling your father when he gets home." Each day we got spanked before dinner. It was like a routine. We knew we were deviling our mom, but the delayed spanking wasn't much of a threat. If we were bad 25 times or 1 time we got the same spanking. When my oldest was around 2 I realized that spanking her wasn't changing her behavior, and I had to look for a better way. And, as I stated, I will use corporal punishment when I feel it is called for, but for most things with-holding prized possessions or privileges gets the point across better.

It's like I said above, there's no set answer for all. Some kids need spanked. My oldest great niece was a terror until the new father came along and spanked, the results were so instant and dramatic my niece quickly changed her mind about spanking. Same niece and her brothers never needed spanked. You could probably beat my friend's kids to near death and as soon as they could they'd be right back at it, I don't expect anything short of prison will work on them, and maybe not even that. But I had a friend in highschool who prison did a complete turn around on, he finally hit the punishment line he didn't want to cross again.

Funny thing is kids are a lot like puppies. You mentioned something like distraction for the youngest, same thing with puppies.

 

[E Dub]

My grandson is 17 months old. He does the same thing. I keep all my stuff out of reach. Getting harder to do now that he has discovered climbing. I think they copy what we do. My grandson copies me when I work on projects. So I give a tool and something to work on. He also loves my remotes, cell phone and 360 controller. I have given him non functioning devices to play with but he knows the difference. They are clever little monkeys. Keep your vaping supplies on a shelf in a closet.

 

[spegtoast]

This is a great topic. What a great oppertuninty to make a mistake as a parent/ or, in this case ask if there was a mistake made, and anonomitcally seek outside help. I commend the OP for being honest and asking. I will be honest. I have had thought's bouncing around in my head in the past, and wished there was an unbiased sole out there that I could bounce my issue off of. So instead of thrasing opinions around, how about sharing life experiences.

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one and they all stink

 

[Bob92985]

Very interesting thread.
I have never been able to understand the casuality of putting children at needless risk.
Any parent worth their salt will make a conscious decision not to put their children in harm's way if given a choice. This includes second hand vapor. Do we know how bit effects us long term? No. Do we know the effects on undeveloped tissues such as a baby's lungs or mucous membranes? No.
Are you prepared to shoulder the burden if studies find that our vaping has long lasting and deadly effects, even in second-hand form, and you made the decision not to eliminate the potential risk because you thought it was harmless?

As for giving baby his first PV..... Does it concern you in the least that he mimicked the functionality of your device so that- if you ever did happen to leave your device out, he would know exactly what to do once he got ahold of it?

And saying you can't not vape in front of your kids...... If being a parent has taught me anything, it is restraint. I suggest the practice.

Go back and re-read the thread. It's pretty insulting that you would think that I'm "casually" putting my son at needless risk. You should know full well being a vaper that what you exhale is only in the air for a matter of moments. And if what could be in the vapor worries you so much... why are you doing it? The great thing about vapor is that you're exhaling exactly what you are inhaling which is food grade liquids and nicotine. So yes if I was blowing vapor in my kids face that would be stupid. I'm thinking some of you are getting the idea that I'm just vaping away with kids in my arms w/o discretion and handing out PVs left and right so they leave me alone. Use some common sense please.

Also, what part of non functioning PV dont you get? I've already gone over in detail on how it doesnt do a single thing. It doesnt light up, doesnt have anything functioning attached to it. A little comment someone made earlier today about the overbearing over protective parents. You've exemplified it perfectly. I mean what kind of person do you take me for? I've been a stay at home dad for 4 years and all 3 of my children are happy and healthy.

Don't get me wrong and I'm sure someone will point it out. I've asked for these opinions. But I can't believe how narrow minded and ridiculous some of these posts are. Also since when did giving your opinion have to include being rude and insulting?

With that, I think we've been here long enough. I would like to thank everyone for responding to this thread and giving their ideas and opinions (yes even you arm chair heroes). At the end of the day. You know what's best for your children. After-all. You were there when they came out, you live with them and care for them. Their care is up to you and all you can do is the best you can with what you have. Have good one everyone and Happy Vaping.

 

[spegtoast]

My vote is to keep the thread going for next misshap, or almost misshap that anyone would like to share. Let's just try to clean up the attacks and see if as a group we can come up with a conclusion.

 

[Bob92985]

I would like to apologize for that rant back there. High and mighty assumptionists like minimalsaint really grind my gears. Especially when it comes to assuming I don't know how to care for my children.

 

[Proverb31]

So I'm a stay at home dad with 3 kids. Ones 4, another 2, and ones 7 months. My 2 year old is VERY interested in me vaping. Whenever i leave my computer chair he steals my vamo and tries to take a toot on it. In the morning he gets out of bed before me and goes to my desk and searches for it.

I've tried putting up a baby gate, scolding him and hiding it. He someway or another seems to get ahold of it if i dont carry it in my pocket (which isnt that easy for a vamo with a tank on it). So I decided to give him one of my dead ego-c batteries all set up with the ego tank system and stuff on it. Theres no atomizer in it and the tank has never been used before and i took out all the little plastic pieces that could come out and choke him.

So there's no way this thing could hurt him at all. But as I'm watching him try and vape this thing, I'm wondering, did i do the right thing? I mean it keeps him from grabbing mine and it gives him a new "toy" but now my son looks like he's addicted to nicotine rofl. When my friends see him "using it" or playing with it, w/e u want to call it... Im sure they'll say "Wow, Really Bob? lol" but I'm sure if someone i didnt know saw him doing it they'd call me a terrible parent.

What do yall think?

Whether you give it to him or not ... he will pretend... he is admiring you and wants to be like you. I loved bubble gum cigarettes and you got two or three sugar clouds off them at the start... then rip paper and chew. Kids do what we do... not what we say. If you smoke... chances are your kids will too. I do think vaping is way better and they are less likely to get addicted by second hand smoke. As parents we make decisions everyday and don't know till years down the road what the real results of them are. I think if it keeps him out of yours... it is a good idea. If you can find another way to keep him safe from yours that would be good too.

I would also add if it bothers your enough that you are asking complete strangers for advice... you might want to listen to your gut instinct that is probably telling you this isn't something you want your child to play with.

 

[Bob92985]

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[Bob92985]

My vote is to keep the thread going for next misshap, or almost misshap that anyone would like to share. Let's just try to clean up the attacks and see if as a group we can come up with a conclusion.

Yeah do it up, its been a great discussion so far today.

 

[Bob92985]

Whether you give it to him or not ... he will pretend... he is admiring you and wants to be like you. I loved bubble gum cigarettes and you got two or three sugar clouds off them at the start... then rip paper and chew. Kids do what we do... not what we say. If you smoke... chances are your kids will too. I do think vaping is way better and they are less likely to get addicted by second hand smoke. As parents we make decisions everyday and don't know till years down the road what the real results of them are. I think if it keeps him out of yours... it is a good idea. If you can find another way to keep him safe from yours that would be good too.

I would also add if it bothers your enough that you are asking complete strangers for advice... you might want to listen to your gut instinct that is probably telling you this isn't something you want your child to play with.

Yeah I get what you are saying there. But thats not it at all. I'm someone who like to debate. So the fact that i decided to do this. I wanted to see what others thoughts were. I'm not really looking for reassurance that I've done the right thing. That's what my wifes for lol. I really just wanted to mash opinions with people lol : )

 

[MrStik]

As a father of a 2 year old. I totally understand. He has gotten a hold of my evic a couple times and pretends to suck on it. Never puts his mouth on the mouthpiece. I vape 0 nic, but still I don't like him doing so. I just keep it high and out of sight.

My opinion is to give him something to play with that is similar looking. I got him hooked on a toothbrush. Now he is brushing his teeth and "vaping" on it. I wouldn't give him a dead battery. Would you let him play with dead AA batteries?

 

[Bob92985]

As a father of a 2 year old. I totally understand. He has gotten a hold of my evic a couple times and pretends to suck on it. Never puts his mouth on the mouthpiece. I vape 0 nic, but still I don't like him doing so. I just keep it high and out of sight.

My opinion is to give him something to play with that is similar looking. I got him hooked on a toothbrush. Now he is brushing his teeth and "vaping" on it. I wouldn't give him a dead battery. Would you let him play with dead AA batteries?

Well no of course not. But I didnt see the harm in letting him handle something that is encased in metal, sealed and was designed to be handled frequently. Just calling it a battery kind of takes away from what it really is. A super special battery lol.

 

[Bob92985]

Good night for now everyone.

 

[bacc.vap]

Good Night, John Boy - YouTube

 

[spegtoast]

Yeah.. I did'nt see your gut wrenching from the first post. It looked to me like conversation, and looking for a little comradery. HAHA. You got a little more than you asked for lol. Most of it undeserving.

 

[MrStik]

Well no of course not. But I didnt see the harm in letting him handle something that is encased in metal, sealed and was designed to be handled frequently. Just calling it a battery kind of takes away from what it really is. A super special battery lol.

Good night for now everyone.

I respect your choice. Every parent will deal with each situation and their own kids in different ways. And as long as they grow up healthy, we did our jobs ok.

And good night to you too