destroyed one carto... 2 holes no workey.. just hot juice in mouth. Doh.. gonna wait on the experts. Doh
Did someone tried new E2 R3 cartos in AVS/AFS?
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I'm not actually a pro in this Imeo, but just trying to communicate what I understood from my readings. Actually, I'm rather amazed by your questions. The real key of success, is the ability to ask the right questions. And you're doing just that. You're looking at what many might see and know, not contenting yourself with just understanding the mechanism, but also trying to understand its implications from the most important angle, which is health. Thank you for that.
To get back to the question, I think that the atomizer needs a wick, because it needs to be moist all the time, or else it will either break under frequent dry burns, or it will break because it will be subjected to much more stress, like going from a hot and wet status, to a dry and cold status, than back again to hot and wet...just like a glass cup that you take out of the freezer and instantly put hot water on it...it will shatter in pieces.
So the wet wick keeps a little moisture around the coil, and allows a smoother transition between the different stages of use.
And also I think that the cup, although called "cup" was never intended to hold liquid for the atomizer to burn, but only to channel the heat generated by the atomizer into a specific direction so it does not disperse, and mostly to channel the airflow.
So we have 2 separate processes here:
1- the heating process, that requires that the coil stays moist, never gets fully immersed in liquid and never gets dry: The wick seemed to be the only effective solution to that.
2- The airflow and heat dissipation: The cup was the right answer.
There is also a third process that everyone has been trying to address by different methods: The liquid delivery system.
In regular atomizers, the delivery system was conceived in a way that the liquid passes from the cart, through the mesh bridge and onto the wick.
In catomizers, the delivery system was conceived in a way that the liquid passes from the cotton that is wrapped around the coil.
Now in this new catomizer, that looks like half carto/half atomizer, the delivery system is conceived in a way that the liquid travels from the liquid tank, through the long wick, and to the coil that is rolled around that wick. It is actually the same principle of the "oil lamp".
As I understood, in the beginning, this system wasn't efficient enough and the wick would get dry rapidly, and won't deliver liquid fast enough, until they discovered that this was due to the fact that the coil was wrapped too tight around it. So they loosened the coil around the wick and it worked back better.
The major improvement they apparently brought in, was to use a silica wick, that seems to withstand very high temperatures without burning.
Which is your specific point of interest here, and now, and thanks to your concerns, ours to.
So the ball is in your court now Imeo. And I wouldn't trust anyone other than you to provide me with a satisfactory answer about that wick.
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That's a very good question too.
In order to limit the leakage that came through the indentations where the rope sits, they put a silicone top over the cup. It is in silicone and not in ceramic.
The question now is whether that silicone top is subjected to high temperatures like the cup is. If so, then it should be removed and in my opinion, the whole (cup+silicone top) assembly could then be replaced by a ceramic cylinder, open from the top to allow airflow, with 2 holes from the side for the rope to pass through, and into the tank underneath, through small engraved channels. And inside that cylinder the coil that is wrapped around the wick would sit. That ceramic cylinder itself has a hole in the bottom that allows it to sit on the long tube that allows air inside the unit.
I thank you too Mist for your answers friend.
I have some more questions now
The temperature from the cold to hot situation is big even if the wick keeps hot the coil. I mean that without the wick the temperature would be at 30 celsious degres and with wick its maybe 40 degrees. When atomizer goes immediately at 300 degress then the difference between hot and cold situation is extremely big so the difference between the 2 cold temperatures (30degrees and 40 degrees) is very small. So I think that wick is made only to deliver liquid.
As for the silica wick, The only I found is only negative things. Internet is full of those negative opinions. Silicosis is a very dangerous situation that will occure by the use of silica. I think that the only way to make cigs really safe is to put only ceramic on it. (Ceramic with no silica material).
ps....... To speak the truth after my research I was a little dissapoined by my discoveries. Maybe the secret on cigs is somewhere else.
I have some more questions now
The temperature from the cold to hot situation is big even if the wick keeps hot the coil. I mean that without the wick the temperature would be at 30 celsious degres and with wick its maybe 40 degrees. When atomizer goes immediately at 300 degress then the difference between hot and cold situation is extremely big so the difference between the 2 cold temperatures (30degrees and 40 degrees) is very small. So I think that wick is made only to deliver liquid.
As for the silica wick, The only I found is only negative things. Internet is full of those negative opinions. Silicosis is a very dangerous situation that will occure by the use of silica. I think that the only way to make cigs really safe is to put only ceramic on it. (Ceramic with no silica material).
ps....... To speak the truth after my research I was a little dissapoined by my discoveries. Maybe the secret on cigs is somewhere else.
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silicosis is a real concern but it doesnt fully apply to 100% silica rope.
this is usualy caused by silica dust, desert sands and powdered versions of it in its natural form.
Silicosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In no way do i know anything about silica , im just going by what it says. If silica rope is a issue then it needs to be tested to see what its releasing as it burns I guess but then this issue isnt simply a e2 issue since many atomizers use silica under the bridge. and if thats the case then most of us have used these atomizers in the last year way before the e2 arrived.
The chances are extremly high that if you used a 510 atomizer then you have wick under the bridge.
this is usualy caused by silica dust, desert sands and powdered versions of it in its natural form.
Silicosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In no way do i know anything about silica , im just going by what it says. If silica rope is a issue then it needs to be tested to see what its releasing as it burns I guess but then this issue isnt simply a e2 issue since many atomizers use silica under the bridge. and if thats the case then most of us have used these atomizers in the last year way before the e2 arrived.
The chances are extremly high that if you used a 510 atomizer then you have wick under the bridge.
I agree to this bad, I just concern. And yes silica dust is the one that cause the problems, thats why I think that if we vape for years many small pieces of silica will come to our lungs. The best way for me is to put inside atomizers only ceramic (not based silica ceramic).
I will continue my research for this. I want the best for me and my users.
I will continue my research for this. I want the best for me and my users.
I FULLY AGREE, at the moment we are simply taking chances, from filler to silica to ptb and foam etc... and while they work we really dont know whats going on at high temps and whats going on with our lungs.
i dont know how the e2 can work withouth the wick but people do amazing things and hopefully somoene figures something out.
the other question would be, is there a wick that is fine for what we need, maybe that can be used as the wick instead.
Imeo,
I fully endorse your concerns. You might also need to communicate with companies that deal with these stuff. McMaster-Carr
This said,
I used to put off the wick from my 510 atomizers when dripping. It is as good as vaping with it, when it comes to vapor production and throat hit. Flavor wise, you have the burnt taste completely gone.
The difference is that, you put a drop, you vape 2 or 3 times, and it goes instantly and totally dry, while with the wick, you still have a little moisture to vape.
This difference has no value when dripping, but it makes the use of carts not convenient.
But it should work very fine with a liquid delivery system like the AFS.
I fully endorse your concerns. You might also need to communicate with companies that deal with these stuff. McMaster-Carr
This said,
I used to put off the wick from my 510 atomizers when dripping. It is as good as vaping with it, when it comes to vapor production and throat hit. Flavor wise, you have the burnt taste completely gone.
The difference is that, you put a drop, you vape 2 or 3 times, and it goes instantly and totally dry, while with the wick, you still have a little moisture to vape.
This difference has no value when dripping, but it makes the use of carts not convenient.
But it should work very fine with a liquid delivery system like the AFS.
I dont think that there is a safe wick bad. Wicks have wool inside and small pieces of silica or anything else so they will be always bad for health. Silica is bad too. I think cartos are not the way to smoke. Atomizers without any wick inside and atomizers that have only ceramic are the way to go as I see it.
Mist, those companies dont know anything about this stuff. Also the companies that make those ropes say lies too. I found via internet that many companies hide the truth. I will post some links to show you what I am talking about. The only way is to find ourselfs what is going on.
Your idea to use atomizers without the wick and with the AVS is the best as I see it.
Mist, those companies dont know anything about this stuff. Also the companies that make those ropes say lies too. I found via internet that many companies hide the truth. I will post some links to show you what I am talking about. The only way is to find ourselfs what is going on.
Your idea to use atomizers without the wick and with the AVS is the best as I see it.
Just drilled a tiny hole exactly the same distance as the 901 atty on the CE2 cartomizer been using if for about 10 mins so far no hot juice in mouth and amazing vapor...... so far so good. Ill update later. 
But I had to close the control ring almost closed for it to work.
But I had to close the control ring almost closed for it to work.
I thought wicks were made of aramid fiber (fireproof synthetic fibres with no melting point).
They worked for about 30 mins then flooded really bad hot juice in mouth. Sorry for not updating.
Im really happy about Imeo's 510 adapter assembly. IM ordering 2 as soon as there available.
If 901's were the only atty to use ... I still would be happy with the best ECIG in the world.. Nothing can touch it... the GGTS with AVS... FACT
thanks Mr my friend for your nice words. Now with the 510 connector on AVS we will be totally satisfied
Just ordered 100 Rev 4 510's, I will be desperate to get em going. The older style 510 just ran for 10 day on 6.4V and 7.4V, probably should have thrown it away at 8. New one in the AVS and was like a dream
You may try to take off all silicon rings from cartom, as it doesn't required in AVS (needed only to prevent leak in normal usage). Actually in order to get a good taste, I took off third ring (which have holes for needle) to use them without AVS. Or you may take this ring and make some holes in border 90 degrees from the holes. Otherwise this ring prevent good flow through the week. Did that for E2R3. Heard that E2R4 already came with some space for the week, but not always good made, so worse to check anyway.
Thanks for that, loving 2.2 Ohm old style cartos at 3.7V ATM... what will I do with 100 3 ohm ones...
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