Difference between the Fluxomizer and the Vision

[Mak]

Help me out here - I have been reading and reading....
I know the Fluxomizers and have been using them for some time (808 V2). Have tried the Vortex but did not care for the plastic (cracking and leaking issues) and found the taste was not really there.
In your honest opinion, besides the obvious filling advantages and the 510 threads on the Vision (have adapters), what other differences are there?
Are the Visions that much fatter (was looking at the 1.5ml version)?
Will they work on a stick type batt without looking wrong?
Is there a comparison image anywhere between the two (been looking but have not found one)?
Are they both made with top heating element and similar wick?
Is there any problems with leaking or juice in the mouth issues (flooding or condensation) that I have noticed with the V2's.
What version drip tips work with either the Fluxomizer or Vision?
Getting ready to put in an order and could use a bit of info - thanks in advance.

 

[luv2vape]

ok been there before, here we go one question at a time.vision tube is alot tougher will flex and bend but will break with enough abuse."learned that from experience". no leaking issues at all been using 3 visions in rotation for 5 weeks and not leaked drop.vision 1.5 tubes are fatter not terribly but just enough to wick good.shoild look fine on a stick battery.heating coils and wicks are very similar but the vision coils i beleive are a thicker strand of wire, conclusion a longer life for your coil.never gotten any juice in mouth from the visions, now that said there is a condensation thing with them , but its actually a good thing. there are 2 baffles in the whistle tip,ok these are to catch condensation, which they successfully do. but if it the baffles get filled up with condensation you will get some in your mouth, but its not e juice its condensation that tastes like your juice, so its not to bad. if this happens just take the tip off and blow really hard through it and its as good as new. as far as drip tips. forget it you wont nedd them anymore, if you go with visions. i got my first visions. fell in love with them, then sold off all my tank mods and drip tips. go for the visions.

 

[Briar]

All Visions but the Stretch are considerably fatter than a Fluxo. The Regular (1.5ml) is about one and a half times fatter, so yeah, I think it looks kinda funky on a stick. Not that I let that stop me when I run out of charged eGos, but it's really at home on an eGo batt.

The Micro Stretch (1.2ml) is actually thinner than an 808 batt.

Yes, they both have coil on top. Visions wick looks a bit fatter to me, which probably accounts for them wicking better. Visions Reg. wicks better than Fluxo XL, and produces more vapor.

A small proportion of Visions will leak a little from the the bottom seal, where, in my experience, Fluxos never leak. But keep in mind that it is a very small proportion.

There is a condensation trap in the tip that comes with Visions. It prevents condensation from getting into your mouth for awhile, but then you have to shake the tip out. Easily done for the benefit.

Some folks like these tips, some not so much. I'm the latter. I use them sometimes, but I prefer to replace them with 801 drip tips (they fit perfectly into the Regular) - this, to me, seems to warm up the vapor and make it more flavorful.

No drip tip that I know of fits into Mini, or Giant, or Stretch.

Another difference between Fluxos and Visions is that Visions are glued on the bottom, so you can't easily remove the tube to clean them. However, that's less of a problem than it would seem. You can dry burn them with the tube on.

I buy Visions Regular and Fluxos in about equal amounts. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Some juices work better in Visions, some in Fluxos. But you can't beat Visions Regular for wicking and vapor production, imo. For flavor I like the Visions Micro Stretch best.

 

[burns_erin]

I'll second the stretch for flavor, especially for methol. It is intense. The stretch however requires more frequent filling and the draw is not the same as the fatter ones, but it works comfortably on my pass-through that I think is the same/similar diameter as a "stick". The larger versions are very awkward on these thinner batteries, but they work beautifully with the ego's. Makes it feel more like a cigar IKNWIM. I have not tried any regulars so I can really say about these, but for me, I prefer and have tried, the mini's, giants, and stretches, and overall prefer them to the clearo's. I do however prefer the steel fluxos (no longer in stock I think) for the very first thing in the morning when I can't really trust myself to be careful with anything.

 

[robl45]

vision giants suck IMHO, maybe the new released version is better, but the one i got from the black friday sale is junk. can't hardly get vapor, when i dry burned it, it was obvious the coil was mostly gone while my regular works awesome. as for cleaning the tips of the vision, you can pop the top out and the center piece out, much easier to clean then flicking it around. regular vision lasts a lot less than a fluxo xl. the fluxo's are nice because at 2.4-2.6, they hit like a cannon, but the new ones are crap compared to the old style that didn't condensate all over the place and IMHO there is no solid solution to stop that.

visions are probably the best right now if you can deal with refilling often and the complexity of not bubbling the thing when filling it.

 

[Mak]

Thanks everyone for answering my questions. Will probably end up getting both.

 

[arjay55]

Thanks everyone for answering my questions. Will probably end up getting both.

Not a bad move really as these things can be a very individual like/dislike.

 

[ComaKid]

Lots of good information in this thread. Thanks everyone.

All I'm going to add is that ever since I got some visions, my fluxos have been gathering dust. In my observations, they are superior in every way besides size.

I wish there was an ego cone to match the smaller visions and not just the two larger ones.

 

[robl45]

to an extend this is true for me as well, especially since I can't find a decent solution yet to allow the flux to work without condesation building up. But the flux do hit so much better since they are lower ohm. but my vision regular been getting most of the use, I just hope the new vision giants will work like this regular, 9 bucks a pop plus shipping is a lot to spend to throw the thing out in a week.

Lots of good information in this thread. Thanks everyone.

All I'm going to add is that ever since I got some visions, my fluxos have been gathering dust. In my observations, they are superior in every way besides size.

I wish there was an ego cone to match the smaller visions and not just the two larger ones.

 

[harmonic]

gotta chime in here i gor a vision deux back in august and its still going strong used every day in my main rotation on a vv box about 4.3~4.4 volts. never cleaned it or dry burn or nothing. i have bought several others but they sit in my spare box cuz this one just wont quit. i did have to replace the tube as it eventually cracked up and the original replacement tube broke up in about a day but the new slightly frosted tubes work perfect. i am beginning to think it will last forever lol (knock on wood)
for a ego cone for a regular vision you could take a stock cone and cut it down with a dremel or such until the opening is the right size. or get one of the new thread covers they look pretty slick IMHO.

 

[Briar]

Ditto on the thread covers. I got a couple, and will get more shortly. They look great.

While we are at it: can you tell me how to replace the tube? It's glued, so I am not sure what to do with it...

gotta chime in here i gor a vision deux back in august and its still going strong used every day in my main rotation on a vv box about 4.3~4.4 volts. never cleaned it or dry burn or nothing. i have bought several others but they sit in my spare box cuz this one just wont quit. i did have to replace the tube as it eventually cracked up and the original replacement tube broke up in about a day but the new slightly frosted tubes work perfect. i am beginning to think it will last forever lol (knock on wood)
for a ego cone for a regular vision you could take a stock cone and cut it down with a dremel or such until the opening is the right size. or get one of the new thread covers they look pretty slick IMHO.

 

[harmonic]

well if the tube you are removing is already broke just wrench it off taking care not to mess up the innards. on a good one i would screw it onto a good solid mod or ego batt and gently rock the tube back and forth until you break the glue seal. other then the glue they are the same as a ce2 - once the seal is broke they pop right on and off with no trouble. at least the ones i messed with so far did but i havent broken out any of my ones that are newer than this one from august. i just got some new seals and mouthpieces to put in the older 'pre deux' units - i really only quit using them because they were the last cartos i had that needed a syringe to fill (and the tubes kept cracking) - my ce2s and ce2 tanks are getting dusty in the backup drawer lol

 

[burns_erin]

well if the tube you are removing is already broke just wrench it off taking care not to mess up the innards. on a good one i would screw it onto a good solid mod or ego batt and gently rock the tube back and forth until you break the glue seal. other then the glue they are the same as a ce2 - once the seal is broke they pop right on and off with no trouble. at least the ones i messed with so far did but i havent broken out any of my ones that are newer than this one from august. i just got some new seals and mouthpieces to put in the older 'pre deux' units - i really only quit using them because they were the last cartos i had that needed a syringe to fill (and the tubes kept cracking) - my ce2s and ce2 tanks are getting dusty in the backup drawer lol

Let me just say for the new(er) ones (the ones with the vertical lines in the base), I think it might be impossible. I had one that burnt out, So I figured I would try to take the tube off it because it was already broke and I figured it would be good practice. No amount of wrenching would pull it off. Not even after a long run in a sonic cleaner. Not even after running under hotwater. I couldn't even break/crack the tube with my bare hands. I suppose you could slice it down the side with a razor and peel it off, but that is about the only way I can see it happening, lol.

 

[Briar]

Hm. I have a couple of newer Visions that leak from the bottom seal - I thought maybe if I pull off the tube, clean off the glue, put on new glue that GV sells, and put the tube back on, I could fix that...

 

[burns_erin]

Hm. I have a couple of newer Visions that leak from the bottom seal - I thought maybe if I pull off the tube, clean off the glue, put on new glue that GV sells, and put the tube back on, I could fix that...

Well, if it is leaking maybe it IS a bit loose and you will be able to. The only one I had that leaked, I washed and dried well then ran a bit of superglue around the seam between the metal and the plastic.

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[Briar]

Thanks, guys.

... The only one I had that leaked, I washed and dried well then ran a bit of superglue around the seam between the metal and the plastic.

Well, come to think of it, that would be easier, wouldn't it? Did it work well?

 

[burns_erin]

Thanks, guys.



Well, come to think of it, that would be easier, wouldn't it? Did it work well?

It worked very well. I figured I knew the leaking spot, but then thought back to my knowledge of fluid dynamics, so instead of spot treating I did the whole ring. My one caution, let it dry overnight. Super glue really doesn't dry as fast on the underside as it might seem, and the contact from the juice seems to prevent it from ever curing. I do wonder though if caulk or np1 might work even better. But as I have no other leakers...

Hope that helps.

Sent from my G2...so please excuse the spelling errors, correct gets the best of me.

 

[harmonic]

some leak sometimes from the seal between the base and center post. reglueing the tube wont fix this leak. but a small bead of aquarium sealer around the base of the center post on the inside might do the trick. fill the entire bottom with a thin film like your sealing a leaky bowl. as always let cure for at least 24 hours before use if not longer. a more extreme fix would be to pull out the post completely and replace the orignal seal with one gleaned from an old or dead vision or ce2
hope this helps

 

[Briar]

Thanks. Yeah, that helps. I think I'll try GV's special glue tho - Bad says you can eat it. lol

OK, didn't mean to kidnap this thread. Sorry, all.

It worked very well. I figured I knew the leaking spot, but then thought back to my knowledge of fluid dynamics, so instead of spot treating I did the whole ring. My one caution, let it dry overnight. Super glue really doesn't dry as fast on the underside as it might seem, and the contact from the juice seems to prevent it from ever curing. I do wonder though if caulk or np1 might work even better. But as I have no other leakers...

Hope that helps.

Sent from my G2...so please excuse the spelling errors, correct gets the best of me.

 

[Briar]

Thanks, Harmonic - that's good to know. Mine leak from the seal, I'm pretty sure, but I see what you are saying - will put it in my arsenal.

some leak sometimes from the seal between the base and center post. reglueing the tube wont fix this leak. but a small bead of aquarium sealer around the base of the center post on the inside might do the trick. fill the entire bottom with a thin film like your sealing a leaky bowl. as always let cure for at least 24 hours before use if not longer. a more extreme fix would be to pull out the post completely and replace the orignal seal with one gleaned from an old or dead vision or ce2
hope this helps