Disappointed in City of Toronto motion to treat vapor like smoke

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ajtoronto

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Dear Greater Toronto & Ontario Resident Vapers,

You may have heard that City of Toronto is planning to treat Vapor like smoke, and not only ban its use in public places, but also ban flavours etc. I was baffeled by this motion and wrote my comments ahead of the motion on coming Monday at City Hall.
I urge you to do the same. Every email or tweet to one of the board members, your local councellors and city hall media folks will help.

I am sharing a copy of my email : ashutosh.ca/disappointed-city-toronto-motion-treat-vapor-like-smoke/

Sinerely,
AJ
 

ajtoronto

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This just recently in, the attacks on e-cigs are protecting the cigarette market, and big tobacco they may have something to do with all the continued and increase comission going on at various regulatory agencies and municipal and regional government bodies. Not to mention the campaigns by the pharmas.

This is from Page-7 of Global tobacco Update from Berenberg which would make me think that Big tobacco may have a direct or indirect, but invested interest in the problems being raised to ensure personal e-vaporizers, such as e-cigarettes, are not available the masses right away.

6) E-cigarette threat lower: Regardless of the name used for alternative noncombustible
Reduced Risk Products (RRPs) or harm reduction products, we can
draw several conclusions about their effects on the traditional tobacco segment
now that they have been available for a few years: 1) cigarettes are particularly
difficult to create viable substitutes for; and 2) many regulators remain highly
suspicious of harm-reduction alternatives. As such, satisfying both consumers and
regulators is a difficult balancing act.

In our view, there are three main drivers for e-cig/RRP adoption: lower risk, lower
cost and higher ease of use and social acceptability, eg they can be used in more
places than traditional products.

With many regulators or public health officials intentionally casting doubt on the
lower risk relative to cigarettes and other officials placing the same restrictions on
e-cigs/RRPs as they do on combustible cigarettes, cost remains the one key driver
that is largely intact, but this is also coming under threat from high taxes, evolving
technology and changes in the habits of “vapers” who seek a better substitute.

In summary, our medium-term view is that regulators have reinforced the position
of cigarettes for many consumers at the same time that the tobacco majors have
developed, or are developing, RRPs that are better substitutes, improving areas
such as speed of nicotine delivery alongside taste and other sensorial elements.
Although alternatives to combustibles remain a threat to cigarette profits, the pace
of change appears manageable. We believe some of the majors’ products are likely
to be successful, both with the consumer and – almost as importantly – with the
regulators.
 

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Very disappointed to hear of this. Toronto plays a role on the world stage (not all us westerners hate TO :)) and this would set a dangerous precedent.

My father always said that of the three tax levels - federal, provincial, and municipal - it's the municipal (local) oversight that affects you the most. This would seem a case in point. We do not have anything stronger than "we don't approve" federally, nothing provincially, and this kind of nanny state thinking locally.

So what would happen next? Flavoured juice gets confiscated if found on your person? Roadblocks to check at Christmas?

Ignorant flailing - that's being charitable - and local authorities have no mandate to drive this from science or even voter desire, just their own ever more fearful sense of right and wrong.

Rob Ford would never have allowed this.
 

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This kind of nonsense from city council is why I moved away from Toronto and gladly commute an hour each way for work. Remember council sending investigators all over town and spying on folks to see if they owned house cats...and then demanding that a licence be purchased for each cat ffs. Nothing better to do with their time and our money.
 

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Dear Greater Toronto & Ontario Resident Vapers,

You may have heard that City of Toronto is planning to treat Vapor like smoke, and not only ban its use in public places, but also ban flavours etc. I was baffeled by this motion and wrote my comments ahead of the motion on coming Monday at City Hall.
I urge you to do the same. Every email or tweet to one of the board members, your local councellors and city hall media folks will help.

I am sharing a copy of my email : ashutosh.ca/disappointed-city-toronto-motion-treat-vapor-like-smoke/

Sinerely,
AJ

Yikes. Din't hear about this until now.

I have been seen increasing number of people vaping in public in downtown TO, generally most are discreet, a handful draw unnecessary attention, like blowing large clouds in the TTC. I have been glad that more people are vaping, but find the unnecessary display to be a di*k move almost forcing law makers to do something drastic.

I hope this does not pass, and as someone else mentioned I would not be surprised if this prompts Ontario to start VBCO.
 

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I hope this does not pass, and as someone else mentioned I would not be surprised if this prompts Ontario to start VBCO.

Too many pinko leftists on Toronto council for it not to pass imo. That lot always knows whats best for you and and need to feel like they are "doing something" for the electorate. They certainly cant be bothered with trivial things like straightening out transit or meeting budgets.
 
Too many pinko leftists on Toronto council for it not to pass imo. That lot always knows whats best for you and and need to feel like they are "doing something" for the electorate. They certainly cant be bothered with trivial things like straightening out transit or meeting budgets.

This is becoming the new prohibition.

Wasn't America founded by puritans?

I wonder what Europe is doing?
 

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It appears that fools now run the world, not just the USA.

Dear Greater Toronto & Ontario Resident Vapers,

You may have heard that City of Toronto is planning to treat Vapor like smoke, and not only ban its use in public places, but also ban flavours etc. I was baffeled by this motion and wrote my comments ahead of the motion on coming Monday at City Hall.
I urge you to do the same. Every email or tweet to one of the board members, your local councellors and city hall media folks will help.

I am sharing a copy of my email : ashutosh.ca/disappointed-city-toronto-motion-treat-vapor-like-smoke/

Sinerely,
AJ
 
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