Disappointed - Need Advice

[danny-b]

just to give a little background information..

when i was smoking analog cigarettes, i wasn't exactly a heavy smoker. i averaged about 5-7 cigarettes per day and went through about a pack and a half (maybe two) per week.

that being said, i quit smoking analogs back in january 2010. i purchased an intellicig kit and while it has helped me stay off the analogs, it's just too inconsistent. sometimes i'll smoke it and get a satisfying smoke, other times, it won't.

i just wanted some suggestions based on what i mentioned above as i'm ready to try something else. i've already tried the joye 510, and i wasn't impressed with that either. btw, i don't care about the size of the device, as i do my smoking at home anyways.

i would appreciate any suggestions/advice. thanks.

 

[Michael Curry]

joye 510, and i wasn't impressed with that either.

Could use a bit more info to go on... What didn't you like, or what were you looking for that wasn't there?

When people say "I tried a 510..." it doesn't reveal much. About the only thing that nails down is what battery you used. Between juices and carto's there are about a bajillion different combinations out there.

 

[danny-b]

i think it was just a lack of consistency. when i first got the device, it produced lots of vapor, but then (like the intellicig), it just tapered off. obviously, i'm not expecting it to work like new after several weeks of use, but it just dropped off too fast (and as you can see, i'm not a heavy smoker).

i'm just looking for something that is consistently consistent.

 

[tat2d4life]

the change in performance would be the batts/atty/cartos you were using at the time...look into an ego/riva/any of the millions and millions of ego clones and get some dual coil cartos.. or even better if you vape at home consider a passthru ..

 

[Bardolf Blaze]

Have you replaced/cleaned your atomizer or cartomizer since you started using it? Considering you like a lot of vapor but not a heavy smoker, I would suggest the Boge 2.5 ohm cartomizer. It will hold enough liquid to do me(a fairly heavy vaper) for a couple of hours of nearly constant use, and at that ohm you get a good amount of vapor without being choking hot for a lighter user.

 

[danny-b]

the change in performance would be the batts/atty/cartos you were using at the time...look into an ego/riva/any of the millions and millions of ego clones and get some dual coil cartos.. or even better if you vape at home consider a passthru ..

please excuse my noobness, but what is a pass through and how is it used exactly?

Have you replaced/cleaned your atomizer or cartomizer since you started using it? Considering you like a lot of vapor but not a heavy smoker, I would suggest the Boge 2.5 ohm cartomizer. It will hold enough liquid to do me(a fairly heavy vaper) for a couple of hours of nearly constant use, and at that ohm you get a good amount of vapor without being choking hot for a lighter user.

yeah, i clean my atomizers/carts and replacing them always does the trick for a while, but again, it goes from hitting nicely to meh in too short a time.

i think that at this point, i've gotten over the whole visual effect and i wouldn't mind getting a larger piece, if that meant better overall performance (in other words, anything but the intellicig/joye 510 lol).

 

[dormouse]

What didn't you like about 510? The best configuration IMO is manual batteries and use with Boge cartomizers w/ thinner juices. And only use the atomizer to test juices and vape ones that don't earn cartomizers. With manual batteries a drip tip can be used on the atomizer. Atomizer + carts is the worst way to vape.

Intellicig is a weak choice, similar to what I started on. I was a 1.5-2 PAD lights smoker for decades and I am happy on manual 510 used as above (though I prefer the long mega xl manual batteries for 70% more charge, 128mm total length w/ a carto), and I also use the most popular 2 piece KR808D-1, also in the 280-320mah size (120mm long w/ a cartomizer) (I use Vapor4Life standard manuals and SmokelessImage Volt 78mm manuals). They are the two most popular and most supported slim minis.

If you get something bigger you will still be getting atomizer and carts except they may vape hotter (big battery models can use the hotter low resistance attys and cartos). And then, most people still prefer vaping them with cartomizers for their favorite juices.

If you did not try cartomizers then you were not getting the same experience we are getting. best and most popular cartomizers for slim 510 are Boge 510 standard resistance (slim ecigs cannot use the hotter low resistance ones)

And manual batteries, besides being much harder to damage or kill with carto leaks, they allow the use of drip tip on the atty more safely (or pretty much total safely w/ manual 510 since they are totally sealed metal on the threaded end), and make it easier to get a good hit.

And what juices were you using and what PG/VG were they?

What do you think would have made your experience work better? If all you need is longer battery life and the ability to use hotter atomizers and cartomizers for more bigger hits with more TH, then sure get a big battery model.

Liberty-Flights.com press the 20% off upper left front page, look at Riva 510 (Ego clone) and Ego

 

[tat2d4life]

a passthru is like a battery with a cord... some like the ego passthru can be used plugged in or unplugged while you are on the go...

 

[Bardolf Blaze]

please excuse my noobness, but what is a pass through and how is it used exactly?


yeah, i clean my atomizers/carts and replacing them always does the trick for a while, but again, it goes from hitting nicely to meh in too short a time.

i think that at this point, i've gotten over the whole visual effect and i wouldn't mind getting a larger piece, if that meant better overall performance (in other words, anything but the intellicig/joye 510 lol).

Passthru's charge/operate(some have batteries, some don't) from your usb port. They are great for heavy computer users.

Atomizers with carts don't hold a lot of liquid at a time so they dry out quick. That's why I go with cartomizers...wetter is better. Also everything seems to gum up quicker on the slim batteries. They don't have as much power so they aren't as efficient. I would suggest an eGo or riva, maybe even a 3.7 volt box mod since you don't care about appearance.

 

[danny-b]

What didn't you like about 510? The best configuration IMO is manual batteries and use with Boge cartomizers w/ thinner juices. And only use the atomizer to test juices and vape ones that don't earn cartomizers. With manual batteries a drip tip can be used on the atomizer. Atomizer + carts is the worst way to vape.

Intellicig is a weak choice, similar to what I started on. I was a 1.5-2 PAD lights smoker for decades and I am happy on manual 510 used as above (though I prefer the long mega xl manual batteries for 70% more charge), and I also use the most popular 2 piece KR808D-1, also in the 280-320mah size (120mm long w/ a cartomizer) (I use Vapor4Life standard manuals and SmokelessImage Volt 78mm manuals). They are the two most popular and most supported slim minis.

If you get something bigger you will still be getting atomizer and carts except they may vape hotter (big battery models can use the hotter low resistance attys and cartos). And then, most people still prefer vaping them with cartomizers for their favorite juices.

If you did not try cartomizers then you were not getting the same experience we are getting. best and most popular cartomizers for slim 510 are Boge 510 standard resistance (slim ecigs cannot use the hotter low resistance ones)

And manual batteries, besides being much harder to damage or kill with carto leaks, they allow the use of drip tip on the atty more safely (or pretty much total safely w/ manual 510 since they are totally sealed metal on the threaded end), and make it easier to get a good hit.

And what juices were you using and what PG/VG were they?

What do you think would have made your experience work better? If all you need is longer battery life and the ability to use hotter atomizers and cartomizers for more bigger hits with more TH, then sure get a big battery model.

Liberty-Flights.com press the 20% off upper left front page, look at Riva 510 (Ego clone) and Ego

i guess what i didn't like about it was the fact that i was using it as it came (stock). i could definitely give it another try using the configuration(s) you mentioned before writing it off entirely. i'm just a little lost with all of the jargon, but google is my friend. lol

i use ecopure e-liquid, which i really like. it produces nice thick clouds and i've gotten used to the taste after all of these months.

i'll check the site out. thanks.

a passthru is like a battery with a cord... some like the ego passthru can be used plugged in or unplugged while you are on the go...

Passthru's charge/operate(some have batteries, some don't) from your usb port. They are great for heavy computer users.

Atomizers with carts don't hold a lot of liquid at a time so they dry out quick. That's why I go with cartomizers...wetter is better. Also everything seems to gum up quicker on the slim batteries. They don't have as much power so they aren't as efficient. I would suggest an eGo or riva, maybe even a 3.7 volt box mod since you don't care about appearance.

i'll definitely have to try it out with the cartomizers this time around and see how that works. thanks to you both.

 

[dormouse]

Wait!! No, the only passthroughs that can use a computer USB port safely are the one with a real inline battery because those are just charging the battery as you vape it (and that is the kind you can walk around with). A normal passtrhough with no inline battery can damage a computer if you use it on the USB port. A PC USB port is only specced to provide 500mA of power and a passthrough may need over 1 amp (1000mA) so you only use a normal passthrough on a 5v 2000mA (2 Amp) USB to AC.

 

[danny-b]

no worries, i don't think i'm going to use a pass through (at least for the time being). i was just wondering what they were...i'll keep that in mind though, thanks.

 

[Bardolf Blaze]

i use ecopure e-liquid, which i really like. it produces nice thick clouds and i've gotten used to the taste after all of these months.

ECOpure is 100% vg. If you like it, great, but I would DEFINITELY suggest a bigger battery. VG is a lot thicker than PG based liquids and clog things up a lot faster, especially if you're not pushing some power.

 

[Bardolf Blaze]

Wait!! No, the only passthroughs that can use a computer USB port safely are the one with a real inline battery because those are just charging the battery as you vape it (and that is the kind you can walk around with). A normal passtrhough with no inline battery can damage a computer if you use it on the USB port. A PC USB port is only specced to provide 500mA of power and a passthrough may need over 1 amp (1000mA) so you only use a normal passthrough on a 5v 2000mA (2 Amp) USB to AC.

OH!!! Good catch dormouse. I forgot about that...I don't deal with anything I can't travel with

 

[dormouse]

Wait again - Ecopure? Is that 100% VG stuff? That will not work in slim ecig cartomizers. VG is too thick. it won't move through the stuffing fast enough to prevent singeing.

And were you getting any TH at all with that? PG lets through the most flavor and the most of nicotine's TH as well as its irritation. VG dulls/smooths everything PG lets through but makes thicker looking vapor. With cartomizers like Boge I use and recommend juices with 20% VG or less.

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How I fill Vapor4Life KR8 cartos and Boge 510 cartos

For longer good performance out of a carto I use juices with 20% or less VG and avoid juices that leave a lot of flavoring sediment (so I am mostly using lighter clearer juices)

Pop out the soft cap with an unbent paperclip in the mouth hole, very careful not to catch stuffing or the wire loop.
Shake and open the eliquid
Hold a bit of tissue on the threaded end hole, tilt the carto, and add 18 drops per ml of capacity into the stuffing (Boges and most KR8 cartos are about 1ml).
Wait 15 seconds or so then see how many more drops the carto stuffing will soak in easily.
Clean up the threaded end, tilt open end down into tissue, puff into threaded end to clear air channel (Boges and the KR8 cartos I use have a defined center air channel and I want to see light through that)
Sop up any loose juice above the stuffing
Cap and let it settle - I lay it on different sides for 15-20 minutes to make sure every bit of stuffing gets damp so I won't singe the carto. if you use thicker juice than me (I use 20% Vg or less) then you may need to wait much longer.

While vaping, if the vapor gets a bit light or a bit dry or the carto is getting hotter than normal, I take the carto off the battery and add eliquid. I sometimes use a plastic or delrin drip tip as a mouthpiece on Boge and KR8 cartos (not to drip into since the juice would head for the central air channel)

 

[Bardolf Blaze]

I have gone up to 40% vg with good results in cartos. Also if that is the only juice you have found that you like, you can thin it with distilled water, PGA, PG, or any combination of those. I wouldn't recommend going over 5-10% PGA though.