Disposable E Cigarettes for a Bar Owner

[Rainman]

Hi,

As a bar owner who is going to be affected by a smoking ban within the next few months, I am somewhat worried about the financial impact - regardless of what my legislators say

I am very encouraged, however, that people on this forum seem to view electronic cigarettes as an adquate or even superior alternative. Therefore, I am strongly considering selling some of these to my customers.

I am seeking advice on some recommended models for me to experiment with. I am looking for something along the following lines:

1. Disposable/Cheap: Something cheap enough that patrons can use for the evening and dispose of.

2. Satisfying/Simplicity: Of course, it should be similar smoking experience and be easy to use - as many will have no prior experience with this.

Thanks,

Matt

 

[gemini2281]

madvapes.com sells disposable 510 kits for $9.99. You can get a price break when ordering in quantity.

 

[IndyJay]

Im no guru on the scene but I love my 510, you should read some more post on here and I bet you end up selling the 510. I know the US has gone crazy on the smoking ban. But as far as E-Cigs go, no one other then hardcore smokers that want to quit know about them from what I have read.

Over the past 2 /3 days Ive had my 510 Ive went into many stores just to see what happens 3 out of 10 stores I had someone walk up to me and say "there is no smoking in here" and when I siad "its is not smoke its an atomizor, what you see is a water vapor" some just gave me that deer in headlights look, others said "well, you cant use that in here"

 

[Drozd]

I'd say some of the 510 disposeables that madvapes sells for $10 or like the $20 disposeable eCigars (I think nhaler carries those)....for a while in the UK I heard that one of the crappier ecig companies had ecig vending machines in the pubs..
I think it could be a very popular concept expecially depending on your clientelle..
I work skilled trades just down in Ohio (right on the border of Michigan) and ecigs are gaining popularity with a lot of the skilled trades guys so they dont have to deal with the hassle of smoking bans from one work site to the next..

Only thing I think is that with selling them in your bar and the crappy battery life with the 510...you might want one or 2 of the 10 port multichargers so you can charge dead batteries too...

 

[georgiasl]

I also recommend the disposables from mad vapes. They say they are disposable but my hubby has gotten 25+ charges on the battery so at that price you can't beat it. They come in menthol or tobacco flavored. I just checked and they are out of stock right now

 

[NCC]

IndyJay: I stealth vape in stores. Just be discrete. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the visible product is water 'vapor'**, it is condensate of the PG/VG juice you're vaping.

Rainman: The multiport chargers Drozd mentioned would be cool. Even cooler IMO would be bartop USB ports for your customers to plug PTs into, but that might be a bit impractical, LOL. Still, it would allow a greater variety of thrifty options (thrifty for the customer that is).
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**water vapor isn't normally visible, it is a colorless, odorless gas. Steam, fog and clouds are water condensed into liquid onto dust particles in the air. Cirrus clouds are solid ice crystals.

 

[GoodDog]

Good idea!! Since you will be selling them you need to find the wholesaler for the disposable 510s. I'm not sure if it's a Joye product or not, but I think so. Alibaba.com would have that info. I think the 510s are the best way for you to go and I don't think you'll need a charger if they come charged. Of course you don't want to buy retail from MadVapes but maybe he'll help guide you... he's a good guy!

 

[Drozd]

IndyJay: I stealth vape in stores. Just be discrete. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the visible product is water 'vapor'**, it is condensate of the PG/VG juice you're vaping.

Rainman: The multiport chargers Drozd mentioned would be cool. Even cooler IMO would be bartop USB ports for your customers to plug PTs into, but that might be a bit impractical, LOL. Still, it would allow a greater variety of thrifty options (thrifty for the customer that is).
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**water vapor isn't normally visible, it is a colorless, odorless gas. Steam, fog and clouds are water condensed into liquid onto dust particles in the air. Cirrus clouds are solid ice crystals.

Yeah USB ports at the bar would be awesome...lol...but imagine spilled drinks...that's be a nightmare..the multichargers would aslo be a bit of the PITA but really cool if you're gonna get a bunch of people in one place vaping..

To the OP..the reason I suggested the disposeable cigars is that they're a bit more disposeable in the it's charged and is really one use and pitch...way user simple...though my preference would be for the disposeable 510 style (employees may have to explain them more) expecially with the ladies...

If it were me though....what I'd do is bulk order a bunch of KR8 batteries....and order a bunch of cartomizers in different flavors and strengths....and then rent/loan the batteries and sell the cartomizers individually...or bulk order batteries and chargers...and put together and sell your own little kits...can get the batteries for like $9, usb charger for $3.50, and a pack of cartos for like $7...could probably pull $20 for a battery/charger/ and 2 cartos easy if they want to take it with them...or $3-4 for a carto purchase (disposeable part) and battery loan/rental...

 

[AlexTM]

Nothing wrong with the Madvapes disposables, as far as I know, but I am not sure they are what you can reasonably sell at a bar to be used immediately. I'd rather consider (for that purpose) true disposables, like those: "Cigarette" - "Premium Cigar". There are also cheaper disposable "Cigars" out there, but I have no idea where to get them from the US.

 

[Heywould]

I think the better idea would be to do something like get PTs or something, the problem with rechargeables are that people would walk off with them. what you could do is rent them like pool halls do their game equipment. have them leave a CC or drivers license. you sell the carts and rent the battery's. you could get any type of battery, you could by cartomizers and not have to fuss, i think you can get a deal on them too but as it is now you get 5 for 10. knowing that drinkers smoke more i would say a pack of 5 cartomizers would be used up in one bar night. but thats about what it would cost to smoke a pack or two of analogs in a night. either way. ccartomizers are the way to go in your case, just order some good long life batteries like the tornado on like what i got from ikenvape,( laser mod) or some variation and you would be set. not to mention you could actually make some money on this deal.. just think you have to only bar around that you can smoke in.... lol until the others catch on.

there is a danger i think, if everyone is vaping in your bar it would be hard to catch the people that break the law and smoke real cigarettes, if its like the rest of the laws you as the owner will get fined for people smoking, just like if you over serve or what ever.

 

[Bobnoxious]

there is a danger i think, if everyone is vaping in your bar it would be hard to catch the people that break the law and smoke real cigarettes, if its like the rest of the laws you as the owner will get fined for people smoking, just like if you over serve or what ever.

Oh I dunno if I agree with this. I've been vaping in bars for a couple weeks now, and it's very apparent when someone lights up near me. So, just in general, stopping people from smoking should be easy.

Besides, the way this new Michigan law was written, bar owners have to post no smoking signs and make reasonable attempts to enforce it. How would they stop someone from lighting up in a bathroom stall? I have gone in there and smelled an entirely different type of tobacco. Obviously illegal and not allowed, but unless you caught someone in the act, I'm not real sure what can be done about it.

I think it will be more interesting when the ban goes into effect, how vapers will be accepted. I would guess most of the smokers won't have problems, but will the non-smokers turn their sights on us? I guess that question can be answered by someone from a state that has had a smoking ban in effect for awhile.

 

[Debbie]

We've had the smoking ban in effect here for a few years. Bars and restaurants took a hit at first. The ones that did better were the ones who tried to enable smokers who had to go outside.

They put benches/seats right outside the door with overhead covering to protect smokers during bad weather. They provided huge ashtrays for .... disposal. They tried to provide as comfortable an environment outside the door as they could.

Good luck! At least you're able to provide them with disposable ecigs for the time being. Ecigs are not allowed here in bars/restaurants anymore either.

Gotta' love NJ. Highest taxes in the country and biggest #$%#'s in the govt.

Debbie

 

[Debbie]

Forgot to add:

We also now have areas where you cannot smoke on the entire property. Schools and hospitals, for example. You cannot go out to your car and sit in it and smoke/vape. You MUST leave the entire property of the facility in order to light up a cigarette/vape. You must drive out to the highway in order to light up or vape. Nice, huh?

It's only a matter of time before they make that the law with ALL public properties, I'm sure. And then they'll move into smoking/vaping in cars. And then and then....

Debbie

 

[cg5071]

i was going to say that the pre filled cartridges (not cartomizer like above) wouldnt be satisfactory for me in that situation. they work for a few hits then you have to refill or mess with them. people wouldnt want to do that.

i have no idea on the cartomizers but if they start out better(more hits, longer time) than a cartridge and are basicly disposable, that would be the better idea.

(oops, not above. must be on the end of the first page)

(drozd and haywoods post)

 

[pdssoft]

I wouldn’t recommend some sort of cartomizer and battery rental plan, I would focus more on the newcomer, something they can open themselves (sterile) and try. It doesn’t need to last all night, it just needs to educate.

Get disposables now and start selling them before the ban, promote with a big sign to explain to both smokers AND non-smokers what vaping is. Direct them here (ECF) for more information. Once educated, they’ll bring their own gear to the bar.

BTW, what city are you in? I’m in Michigan as well and have heard that we won’t be able to smoke within 100 yards of any business on May 1, 2010 (is that correct?)

 

[Heywould]

I wouldn’t recommend some sort of cartomizer and battery rental plan, I would focus more on the newcomer, something they can open themselves (sterile) and try. It doesn’t need to last all night, it just needs to educate.

Get disposables now and start selling them before the ban, promote with a big sign to explain to both smokers AND non-smokers what vaping is. Direct them here (ECF) for more information. Once educated, they’ll bring their own gear to the bar.

BTW, what city are you in? I’m in Michigan as well and have heard that we won’t be able to smoke within 100 yards of any business on May 1, 2010 (is that correct?)

Not rental. you sell the cartomizers. i mean rent/Loan the battery with a deposit or some form of guarantee that you would get the battery back.

of course you wouldnt rent the cartomizers.. lol yuck.....

 

[pdssoft]

Yes, I figured you wouldn't rent the cartomizer (at least I hope not)

But, realistically, the batteries would be missing all the time (rental fee/deposit or not). How easy would that be to put in your pocket and walk off?

 

[Heywould]

Yes, I figured you wouldn't rent the cartomizer (at least I hope not)

But, realistically, the batteries would be missing all the time (rental fee/deposit or not). How easy would that be to put in your pocket and walk off?

Same as in a pool hall. you leave your license or CC as a form of deposit. you return the battery you get it back.

it works because even if the person leaves with the battery they would return with the battery.

if you use a cash deposit as long as it covers the cost of the battery, let them take it home, just buy another one with the cash.

all sports bars have this system and for the most part it works.

and we all know us smokers would do anything to get our fix, if we are in a non smoking place and there is a way to smoke without smoking..... i think the bar would do very well.. think about it.... if it got out that you could smoke at so and so's bar would you pick that bar over any other that you couldnt smoke?

 

[Scottbee]

The loaner battery with cartomizers is the way to go. We've already got a "trial run" working at a local bar.. and it is doing well.

The batteries are proudly emblazoned with the name of the bar (good ink, pretty hard to get off). To get a charged battery you either leave $20, a CC, or your drivers' license. Cartos are going for $3 a pop.

So far, this system works well.

 

[pdssoft]

@Scottbee

At your test site, are people starting to buy/bring their own gear yet?