Anyone know anything that is even close to Djarum Blacks in a premede liquid? I have tried a few generic "clove" liquids but most reoundly fail. Most taste like clove oil and nothing else. I did manage to kind of diy a liquid once with some flue cured no-name juice, some health cabin Ry4, and generic clove. came close but didnt have the sweetnes of true Djarums. I've heard that V4L's "Clove Nobacco" is good. anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions?