DNA 20/30 as Compared To Provari v2.5

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Is there really a 15 watt limit on the ProVari, or is it simply an amp limit.

1.7 ohm coil at 4.9 volts puts me over 20 watts at 3.44 amps. Is this possible or does the Provari shut her down at 15 watts regardless of what you set.

A 1.7 ohm coil at 4 9 volts will give you 2.88 amps and 14.12 watts. I know that on my provari with a 1.8 ohm microcoil on my kfl it will not fire any higher than 5.3 volts which works out to be 2.94 amps and 15.61 watts.

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An amp limit would make more sense, I think. That's probably what it is. I could be wrong.
From ProVape's FAQ
Why does the ProVari need to use high drain batteries (the full technical answer)?

The ProVari uses an internal DC/DC converter that continuously monitors the output to the atomizer load and maintains a constant voltage with an output current limit of 2.5 amps ( each unit is tested to this limit in production, most exceed this limit by .1 to .2 amps). This output voltage is usually higher than the input battery voltage, depending on what the ProVari is adjusted to.

Battery output current is NOT the same as ProVari output current.

Here is an example that shows why. When the ProVari is putting out 5.0 volts at 2.5 amps into an atomizer load, that calculates to be 12.5 watts.

That means the battery has to supply 12.5 watts to the ProVari, at a minimum. In reality it is more because nothing is 100% efficient.

If the battery voltage is 3.7 volts it will need to supply 12.5 watts / 3.7 volts or 3.378 amps minimum. Because nothing is 100% efficient, let's add that in. Most ProVari devices are 90% to 95% efficient. Picking the worst case, 90%, the battery current must now need to be 3.378 amps/ .9 = 3.75 amps. That is a more realistic current draw, but it could be even higher.

WHY?

Let's take a look at what happens when the battery voltage droops lower than 3.7 volts. At 3.5 volts the battery current goes up to 3.968 amps.

But it can be even higher still when the battery droops to near end of charge, say 3.2 volts. The battery output current now goes to 4.34 amps. And we have to keep in mind that this is ONLY the average current. Because the ProVari converter is a pulsing device, the pulsed battery current can be a factor of 2 higher than the average current.

The battery needs to supply pulsed currents of over 8 amps. These engineering calculations show why you need a high quality, Low Internal resistance battery to supply what the ProVari converter needs.

Where does the internal resistance come into play? According to ohms law, when you are drawing 1 amp out of the battery , the battery voltage will droop .1 volts for every .1 ohms of battery internal resistance.

At 4 amps this means the battery voltage is no longer 3.7 volts but 3.3 volts.

If it won't match up to the demands of the converter in the ProVari , We won't sell it. This is why we recommend using AW red high drain batteries only!.

They have passed all our tests and are rated to work with the full range of voltages that the ProVari can offer.
 
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Opus,
Here you go!

V2
Power/current limit
14.5 Watts


http://www.provape.com/v/images/ProVariV1vsV2.pdf

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From the PDF:
It is generally observed that when the wattage into the atomizer is above 14 watts the flavor of the juice
starts to taste burned. So there is not a lot of incentive to push that limit.
A lot of people out there disagree with this.
I do too, just not for the same reasons "they" do. I think juice starts tasting burnt at about 11 watts. :p
 
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Is there really a 15 watt limit on the ProVari, or is it simply an amp limit.

1.7 ohm coil at 4.9 volts puts me over 20 watts at 3.44 amps. Is this possible or does the Provari shut her down at 15 watts regardless of what you set.

The Provari will give you an E1/E2 error which tells you to reduce you voltage if you are over 15 watts
 

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From the PDF:

A lot of people out there disagree with this.
I do too, just not for the same reasons "they" do. I think juice starts tasting burnt at about 11 watts. :p

RDAs I can go all the way to 15 with no flavor problems but I just quit smoking and I use 24mg nicotine juice and the throat hit is a MONSTER. :evil:

Either way I also have no need to go past 15 watts either. :toast:
 

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Opus,
Here you go!

V2
Power/current limit
14.5 Watts


http://www.provape.com/v/images/ProVariV1vsV2.pdf

Kindly,
Ken

Thanks for the answer. It's kind of nice to see that the MVP is not the only mod that has an actual power limitation. When I suggested that the MVP had an 11 watt limit even in Variable Voltage mode, people said I was crazy, but that's exactly what pbusardo's numbers bear out. The MVP instead of throwing an error just fires at 11 watts.

I'm happy the ProVape actually lists out the limits so there is no question.

Thanks again.
 

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Thanks for the answer. It's kind of nice to see that the MVP is not the only mod that has an actual power limitation. When I suggested that the MVP had an 11 watt limit even in Variable Voltage mode, people said I was crazy, but that's exactly what pbusardo's numbers bear out. The MVP instead of throwing an error just fires at 11 watts.

I'm happy the ProVape actually lists out the limits so there is no question.

Thanks again.

Unlike other companies, ProVape's numbers are the guaranteed minimum. Many ProVari's will easily hit 15 watts or higher.
 

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From the PDF:

A lot of people out there disagree with this.
I do too, just not for the same reasons "they" do. I think juice starts tasting burnt at about 11 watts. :p

I am vaping my ZNA @ 13 watts using a 3.0 ohm HH357... No burnt taste at all, in fact the juice taste better then ever at the higher wattage..:2c:
 

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The "higher than 15 watts tastes burnt" is really old, Provape should know that by now. That concept only applies to clearomizers and carto tanks. If you use one of those two tanks as your daily drivers (or your sweet spot is under 15 watts), then reality is you really don't *need* any DNA20 or DNA30 device, a Provari will more than suffice. However, with the increase in popularity of RBAs, RTAs and RDAs, where the limit is the sky regarding wattage (I've personally vaped at a max of 60 watts, not something I'd vape daily, but flavor was clean and crisp, very dense just way too hot and battery life was crap), then these DNA chips start shining because in those delivery systems, the higher you go in wattage the better it tastes until you hit your limit/sweet spot.
 

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With an 18650 in my Provari it has always lasted me a full day +.
I just received an 18650 body tube for my ZNA...So today I will put it to the test and see if the DNA30 chip can deliver the same results-- A full day vape from an 18650... I will post my results tomorrow...

Do you have any results for us yet?

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Do you have any results for us yet?

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I messed up yesterday.. I took the 18650 out of my Provari thinking it was fully charged.. Nope it wasn't because the battery life indicator started to drop an hour after I left the house... This morning I inserted a fresh off the charger 18650 in my ZNA... So the test is on.. My Provari/18650 setup to deliver a 12 watt vape has always last me a full day..
I will be using the same atomizer for the test. ZNA/18650 @ 12 watts ??? Results will be posted on Monday morning unless I kill the battery today.... :vapor:
 

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