Do I still need ADDITIONAL PG or VG?

[Happy Domino38]

Hi all,

Probably a stupid question, but figured I'd ask anyway...

I purchased 30ml of unflavoured VG at 36mg. I then ordered some flavourings, (Capella Root Beer Float, Flavorart Cinnamon and Caramel and Perfumer's Apprentice Cotton Candy).

If I want to just keep it at 36mg, can I not just add the flavoring directly to the unflavored nicotine mixture?

I'm a HUGE newbie, my apologies if this has been posted a million times before!!


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[GoodDog]

I'm new to DIY but from what I understand it would reduce it slightly depending on the % of flavoring you use. Don't add the flavoring directly to your bottle of nic juice or you run the chance of ruining the entire bottle. Start with 3-5ml and do your taste-testing at those quantities first.

36mg is a very high strength to vape and you will most likely find you need much less.

 

[Lab]

yes you can.. the extra pg vg is used for ppl that buy higher nic concentration unflavored that they cut down to lower strength

adding the flavoring will lower the nic concentration so that 36mg if you use 10% flavor will 32.4mg

but do as said above.. test with small bottles

 

[AlexTM]

If you add a 1%-flavour, you will end up with 35.64mg/ml liquid, if you add a 10% flavour, you will have 32.4 mg/ml, 25% flavour, 27mg/ml.

Which means if you really need 36mg liquid (which is fairly rare), you might consider either fairly concentrated flavours, or higher strenght nic juice.

 

[Happy Domino38]

THANKS GUYS!!

Having slightly less than 36mg is fine with me, I just wanted to make sure my 'theory' was correct, I could add the flavouring directly to the unflavoured base. (I know, I'll start small and add the flavours SLOWLY to the SMALL amount of base I've taken from the biggie!)

Just curious, but has anyone else tried any of the flavours I ordered? AND, (god**amed newbies!!!), is it true that you should let the new flavours 'sit a spell' or are they good enough to vape right away?

Not only am I an annoying newbie, I'm also impatient...sigh...

 

[Nikhil]

AND, (god**amed newbies!!!), is it true that you should let the new flavours 'sit a spell' or are they good enough to vape right away?

Not only am I an annoying newbie, I'm also impatient...sigh...

Some flavorings float or sink in VG or PG, and they don't exactly mix like coffee and milk or water and sugar. You can shake it to try and speed it along, but the sitting is usually helpful. I know it's annoying, I'm sitting here staring at my Cherry Cola mixture smelling it and wanting to vape it but I want to let it sit ... good luck.

 

[garyd]

Some flavorings float or sink in VG or PG, and they don't exactly mix like coffee and milk or water and sugar. You can shake it to try and speed it along, but the sitting is usually helpful. I know it's annoying, I'm sitting here staring at my Cherry Cola mixture smelling it and wanting to vape it but I want to let it sit ... good luck.

This is good adice from PureVapor, I've found that I have to wait at least 12 hours before I can really judge the flavor of a juice that I have made. I found out the hard way with a small 3ml batch of black cherry that I made with flavourart flavor. I thought it tasted weak and kept adding flavor to like 10% before it tasted ok. The next day I vaped it again and the flavor was overwhelming. I usually use 70% VG to 30% PG in my base.

 

[jerrydon10]

36 mg is REALLY high for a person just starting out. Most start at around 18 mg/ml.

You can buy VG at Wal-mart for thinning. You can then add your flavors and enough VG to get to the strength you want.

Just remember that the percent you cut the volume of your original e-juice is also the percent that you cut the strength of nicotine content.

So, if you want to cut 36 mg to 18 mg: That is a 50% reduction, so your initial e-juice would only be 50% of your new mixture.

Want to make a 30 ml sized bottle? You would start by adding 15 ml of your original e-juice to a 30 ml bottle, ad whatever ml of flavor to taste, then top off to 30 ml in the bottle with VG or PG, shake well and vape away.

 

[Hoosier]

Yep, see my recipe for soft caramel in the recipe section. Just sub your cotton candy for my maltol.

 

[Guanu]

if your starting at 36, props to you, I started at 24 mg and some of em felt like being kicked in the chest by an angry mule.

 

[Hoosier]

I started at 36 and just now getting down to 32-34.

Those non-filters I used to smoke would make a Marlboro man dizzy before he got halfway through it.

I know folks that go 36 to kick the morning crave & then switch down to 24-18 through the day.

She might need that kick.

 

[Switched]

THANKS GUYS!!

Having slightly less than 36mg is fine with me, I just wanted to make sure my 'theory' was correct, I could add the flavouring directly to the unflavoured base. (I know, I'll start small and add the flavours SLOWLY to the SMALL amount of base I've taken from the biggie!)

Just curious, but has anyone else tried any of the flavours I ordered? AND, (god**amed newbies!!!), is it true that you should let the new flavours 'sit a spell' or are they good enough to vape right away?

Not only am I an annoying newbie, I'm also impatient...sigh...

Like many have stated, let it sit overnight, shake well the next day and drip it on a clean atty. You should be able to determine what is missing. If you are unsure of what is missing, post your recipe with what you have done and folks can probably figure it out. If you add flavour at the minimum you should be blowing out your atty when increasing mixture strength and disregard the first couple of drip sessions e.g, the first one don't count. Once again let it rest. Clean out your atty and taste the following day, and so on and so on... Once you have your recipe, you can make larger batches.

 

[Lab]

only one i tried is the cotton candy.. but only use that to sweeten other flavors

 

[Happy Domino38]

36 mg is REALLY high for a person just starting out. Most start at around 18 mg/ml.

You can buy VG at Wal-mart for thinning. You can then add your flavors and enough VG to get to the strength you want.

Just remember that the percent you cut the volume of your original e-juice is also the percent that you cut the strength of nicotine content.

So, if you want to cut 36 mg to 18 mg: That is a 50% reduction, so your initial e-juice would only be 50% of your new mixture.

Want to make a 30 ml sized bottle? You would start by adding 15 ml of your original e-juice to a 30 ml bottle, ad whatever ml of flavor to taste, then top off to 30 ml in the bottle with VG or PG, shake well and vape away.

You guys are AWESOME!! Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for all your help and suggestions!!

I will try to see if I can buy VG here from Walmart if it's too much nicotine. (I'm in Toronto so...). If it IS too much nic, how would you tell? By which I mean what are the symptoms?

 

[Happy Domino38]

only one i tried is the cotton candy.. but only use that to sweeten other flavors

so you didn't like the taste? If not, may I ask why?

 

[Nikhil]

Perfumer's Apprentice Cotton Candy is diluted Ethyl Maltol, which by itself has little flavor, just a bit of sweetness. People who DIY have preferences across the board, so you might like it by itself (if you like ECOpure Fresh I think that's just Ethyl Maltol flavoring).

As for strength, this thread might help: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nverting-e-cigs-regards-nicotine-content.html
EDIT: You can find the nicotine you get (in mg) from your cigarette brand and flavor here: http://www.erowid.org/plants/tobacco/tobacco_nic.shtml

The first signs of too much nicotine are a headache, cold sweats, nausea, stomach pain, dizziness, uneven or racing heartbeat.

 

[Happy Domino38]

AAHHHHH! OMG!! I'm belting this stuff down like there's no tomorrow I say!!

Well, the juice I'm currently sucking back, I mean dripping, is just the Tobacco High from Electronic Cigarettes that was included in my kit, so I haven't the foggiest as to what the nic content is. (Probably 18% I'm assuming?)

I used to smoke 20-25 Benson and Hedges 100's regular. Hard to determine which is which because there's so many different types of B&H, but I think it's around the 15/16 range.

Bloody hell. Let's hope Walmart has some VG...

Mind you, I ordered the 36mg cartos with my V4L and vaped through THOSE like a fiend..no side effects!

 

[AlexTM]

Some flavours are great, but not on their own. That doesm't mean there is anything bad about the taste, just that on their own, they are not very satifactory.
They may still make great mixes, though. Sounds like that cotton candy is one of them.

 

[Nikhil]

I used to smoke 20-25 Benson and Hedges 100's regular. Hard to determine which is which because there's so many different types of B&H, but I think it's around the 15/16 range.

Bloody hell. Let's hope Walmart has some VG...

Mind you, I ordered the 36mg cartos with my V4L and vaped through THOSE like a fiend..no side effects!

You're looking at the Carbon Monoxide column, the nicotine content is 1.1mg for those. Also the absorption rate for PV's is supposedly lower than for cigarettes but not enough studies have been conducted IMO. Even if you're doubling your nicotine intake it's still safer than cigarettes, it's just personal preference about addiction in the end.

 

[Switched]

You guys are AWESOME!! Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for all your help and suggestions!!

I will try to see if I can buy VG here from Walmart if it's too much nicotine. (I'm in Toronto so...). If it IS too much nic, how would you tell? By which I mean what are the symptoms?[

If you get a buzz, then your hitting it too hard. If you get a headache or feel one coming on, your hitting too hard. Vomitting is also a sign, I know when I vape too much especially during the evening, it's harder to fall asleep and my wife says I sometimes twitched during the night.