Do you think Electronic Cigarettes will be banned and why?

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SneakyVapper

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I think that there is a very real possibility of ecigs being controlled/limited/restricted and taxed if not banned. And it's all because of money and politics. Big tobacco lobbyists pays a shiny penny to the government to keep cigarettes from being banned even though they are much more dangerous than vapor. They will do the same to keep ecigs off the market.

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I think that a lot of politicians will definitely make a strong attempt at forcing their agendas. They've been at war with analogs for so long now I figure its only a matter of time before they really start trying to crack down. Since ecig research is still a long way from being able to determine if there are any adverse effects. I personally don't feel that there are any to be found. It doesn't seem any more harmful to your lungs than spraying a room full of Febreeze and breathing that, or using a Glade plugin. I personally hope nothing comes of any of this banning business. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
 

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Ah. Nice idea for a thread starter, but this topic has been covered in so much detail it's literally more than you could read on this forum alone over the next few days. That being said, they could be banned/regulated on a government level, it is more likely to be banned/regulated on a city, county, and state level. As to why? Electronic cigarettes do not and will never have a political lobby behind them that can ever hope to compete with lobbyists that have something to lose with a rising popularity of electronic cigarette consumers. Some political action groups do not like electronic cigarette usage for reasons no more important to the the public than they look like cigarettes and make a plume of vapor that looks like smoke, the same political groups insist that a lack of testing should be enough to make a ban on them an action that needs to be done pre-emptively. None of these groups have the same intentions to ban all tobacco products because that would be much harder. The easier target for groups that are concerned with complete and total nicotine restrictions is to target electronic cigarettes, at this point and time.

But what do I know, I am only one of tens of thousands of people in the USA alone that quit smoking tobacco cigarettes by switching to vaping e-liquid. 20 year smoker here, I tried nicotine gum, patches, pharmaceuticals, and herbal remedies many times over, nothing worked. I have not touched a tobacco cigarette since the first day I began vaping e-liquid. I have a very hard time even being around tobacco smokers anymore, and I have only been using electronic cigarettes for about three months now. There must be something wrong with me, or so the media and governing parties would have you believe. Maybe I am inhaling some unknown chemicals that have improved my breathing, sense of smell and taste, and no longer annoy those that spend any time at all near me. It must be making me crazy. Why ban e-cigarettes? I don't have any idea at all. Logic must have flown out the window along with my once loved tobacco.
 
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I agree with Kagey K. Some of the larger tobacco companies are looking at the e-cig industry and see the potential for profit. In fact, some of those companies are even putting out their own e-cig products. Lorillard, who makes Newport and Kent cigarettes (among others) has bought the company Blu. And RJ Reynolds, who makes Camel, Salem and Winston have also stated they are making inroads to the e-cig industry this year. In this case, oddly enough, Big Tobacco being on our side can ensure the industry stays alive, however, it will probably be regulated and taxed to hell.

They won't be able to tax the equipment, however, or e-liquids that have no nicotine. It's not ideal, but there are ways of extracting it yourself from tobacco. So, in the absolute worst case scenario, we will manage. I think in China? or Japan? they have been banned completely, and I read a few posts where those members who couldn't buy the e-liquid with the nicotine in it was adding their own from tobacco leaves.

Take heart, we have a strong community and the groundswell is huge. In my mind, this is such a miracle invention that even if they are regulated or banned now, one day common sense will prevail.
 
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I agree with Kagey K. Some of the larger tobacco companies are looking at the e-cig industry and see the potential for profit. In fact, some of those companies are even putting out their own e-cig products. Lorillard, who makes Newport and Kent cigarettes (among others) has bought the company Blu. And RJ Reynolds, who makes Camel, Salem and Winston have also stated they are making inroads to the e-cig industry this year. In this case, oddly enough, Big Tobacco being on our side can ensure the industry stays alive, however, it will probably be regulated and taxed to hell.

They won't be able to tax the equipment, however, or e-liquids that have no nicotine. It's not ideal, but there are ways of extracting it yourself from tobacco. So, in the absolute worst case scenario, we will manage. I think in China? or Japan? they have been banned completely, and I read a few posts where those members who couldn't buy the e-liquid with the nicotine in it was adding their own from tobacco leaves.



Take heart, we have a strong community and the groundswell is huge. In my mind, this is such a miracle invention that even if they are regulated or banned now, one day common sense will prevail.

Nicotine extraction from tobacco is not a possibility for the average e-liquid consumer, unless you are looking for very tiny percentages. You can get the flavor of tobacco pretty easily, but if you want what almost all e-liquid vendors provide in mg per ml, you need a very large lab. Not some 'Breaking Bad' DIY in a Winnebago, I mean a real big lab. Look it up.

edit: Don't make assumptions on what can and cannot be banned. If the government wants to, they can stop the selling and buying of all vaping equipment. If the courts don't overturn it like they did last time, it's game over. Just try and use pay-pal to get some vaping supplies. The ball is already rolling, vaping is just a pin on the bowling alley.
 
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Banned? No.

Why are they trying to ban ecigs? Politics. Tobacco is taxed, eCigs & eJuices aren't. Government regulates and gains revenue from cigarettes, not eCigs. Hate politics. They'd rather kill you and take your money than saving your life with ecigs and not getting a single penny.

Short and simple truth.
 

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Hi Guys,

Been seeing a lot of press releases and media around this lately, as I am within the EU (UK) apparently end of April could spell the end of Electronic Cigarettes all together...

Wondering what people think about what could happen etc and your opinions on why they would be banned?

Cheers!

Sorry guys I just had to clear this up.

Many of you are talking about the United States government, FDA, and companies with in the United States.

The OP has noted that he would like to know what is going on in Europe. I know everyone is trying to help but I thought I would just point out that this was to be a Euro discussion not a US discussion.
 

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I think a thread on where the bans are in place now and when they happened would be good.

I know Russia have banned them (for looking too much like real fags apparently!) and several EU countries who's names I forget just now. Also Singapore?. Not sure exactly but one guy was asking for juice where he lived and was told it was banned there.

IMHO I doubt it will be banned here in the UK. Just heavily taxed. I am not too worried as I know Jersey and The Isle of Man have looked into vaping and have accepted it as a lesser evil to smoking.
 

NeilSwift

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Just did a quick google and found this lot.....
Seems that it is either banned or taxed to hell.



In Australia, the Federal Department of Health and Ageing classifies every form of nicotine, except for replacement therapies and cigarettes, as a form of poison.[86][87] In the state of Victoria, the Therapeutic Goods Administration has said that there were no laws preventing the importation of e-cigarettes bought over the internet for personal use, unless prohibited by state and territory legislation.[88]
In Brazil, the sale, importation and advertising of any kind of electronic cigarette is forbidden. The Brazilian health and sanitation federal agency, Anvisa, found the current health safety assessments about e-cigarettes to not be yet satisfactory for commercial approval eligibility.[89]
In Canada, as of March 2009, while the importation, sale, and advertising of electronic cigarettes containing nicotine is not endorsed, the products may be sold and used. Health Canada has advised Canadian consumers not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products, citing the prohibition of electronic smoking products containing tobacco in the Food and Drugs Act.[41]
In China, the sale and use of electronic cigarettes is legal.[citation needed]
In Egypt, the Egyptian Ministry of Health technical committee has rejected applications for marketing authorization of electronic cigarettes on the grounds that they contain harmful chemicals, and lack safety and toxicity data.[citation needed]
In Hong Kong the sale and possession of nicotine-based electronic cigarettes, classified as a Type I Poison, is governed under the Pharmacy and Poisons Ordinance. Sale or possession is not authorized and both are considered punishable with a fine of up to HK$100,000 and/or a prison term of 2 years. However, the law does not cover any non-nicotine inhalers.[90]
In India, the use of electronic cigarettes is currently legal. Under the Indian Health Law of 2006, tobacco smoking has been banned in public. Since e-cigarettes avoid the use of tobacco, however, they do not fall under this law.[91]
In Lebanon, the council of ministers has banned the sale and use of electronic cigarettes, starting 21 September 2011.[citation needed]
In Malaysia, the sale of e-cigarettes is an offence under the Poisons Act 1952 and the Control of Drugs and Cosmetics Regulations 1984. Those found guilty of selling and distributing the product (as well as liquid nicotine for use in electronic cigarettes) will be fined no more than RM3,000, be jailed for no more than two years, or both.[92] The Malaysian Health Minister Liow Tiong Lai stated that e-cigarettes containing liquid nicotine is more harmful than normal cigarettes and warned Malaysians to avoid them.[93]
In Mexico, the Federal Commission for the Protection Against Sanitary Risks, announced that according to Mexican Law, the selling and promotion of non-tobacco objects that include elements generally associated with tobacco products are forbidden.[94]
In Nepal, under current cigarette laws, the use and sale of e-cigarettes is permitted.[citation needed]
In New Zealand, the Ministry of Health has ruled that the Ruyan e-cigarette falls under the requirements of the Medicines Act, and cannot be sold except as a registered medicine. Since the ruling, Ruyan has obtained registration, and sale is currently allowed in pharmacies.[16]
In Pakistan, the import and sale of electronic cigarettes is legal, but Pakistan Medical and Dental council find that the current health safety assessments of e-cigarettes to not yet be satisfactory.[citation needed]
In Panama, the importation, distribution and sale of electronic cigarettes have been prohibited since June 2009. The Ministry of Health cites the FDA findings as their reasoning for the ban.[95]
In Singapore, the sale and importation of electronic cigarettes, even for personal consumption, is illegal. According to Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan, electronic cigarettes are the industry's attempt to attract new users and were marketed to appeal to younger customers, including women.[96]
In South Korea, the sale and use of electronic cigarettes is legal, but is heavily taxed. Electric cigarette possession among teenagers remains an issue.[97]
In Switzerland, the sale of nicotine-free electronic cigarettes is legal. The use and importation of electronic cigarettes containing nicotine is legal, but they cannot be sold within the country.[98] As of December 2011, the tobacco tax does not apply to e-cigarettes and respective liquids containing nicotine.[99
 
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