Do you vape juice from China, or only from USA?

[sailorman]

I'm not saying that ECBlends is doing this, because I don't know one way or the other.

But I do know that there are companies that do what you say.
And I have emailed some of them to ask if their nicotine is sourced in the United States.

I have never gotten an answer to that question from any company I have asked.
Of course, I have only asked a couple of companies.

And my emails could have gotten overlooked.

If you sent that email to ECBlends, they could honestly say that their nicotine is sourced in the U.S.. That's where they get it from. You are asking the wrong people. You need to ask the company that dilutes it for them. Ask their wholesaler where their nicotine is from. If all you're concerned with is the accuracy of the PG and VG, then maybe it's good that it is diluted in the US. It rarely pays to ship relatively small quantities of VG across the globe. Although, I believe most PG comes from China as well.

If every single component in their juice came from China > Wholesaler > ECBlends, they can honestly say that they import nothing. What they CAN'T say, but seem to imply, is that they use no imported ingredients.

There's a difference between not importing something and not using imported stuff. My local car dealer sources all his BMW's from right here in the U.S.. Does that mean they're American cars?

 

[Pikeybarsteward]

I m in the UK and I usually vape Chinese (Dekang) these days ....but have always been stuck with cheap Chinese juoce for years . US stuff is fairly sought after here but I aint got that sort of money . In an ideal world I d only vape UK sourced stuff ...but thats big money .

 

[sailorman]

I m in the UK and I usually vape Chinese (Dekang) these days ....but have always been stuck with cheap Chinese juoce for years . US stuff is fairly sought after here but I aint got that sort of money . In an ideal world I d only vape UK sourced stuff ...but thats big money .

I hear you. UK nicotine is horrendously expensive here, as is US nicotine. That's exactly why 99.9% of the nicotine in either country is Chinese. If any juice vendor or nicotine vendor used either one, they certainly wouldn't keep it a secret. That would be like putting a BMW engine in a Ford without telling anyone, or secretly replacing the stone in a cheap CZ ring with a diamond.

 

[Dreams2freedom]

Whether it is because you think it is unsafe in China or whether you don't... I still take pride in ordering products that have the label "made in America"

 

[sailorman]

Whether it is because you think it is unsafe in China or whether you don't... I still take pride in ordering products that have the label "made in America"

Me too, if they really are made here and not just marketed here. I just don't bother kidding myself that their products really are made here when they aren't. Sometimes, I'd rather buy an honest Chinese product than one that dishonestly tries to make you think it's US made, when it isn't. Half the time, the label itself is printed in China. The fact that the company is American means nothing to me. Most U.S. companies have no loyalty to the U.S.. It's a flag of convenience and they just get incorporated in the US to take advantage of our tax and IP laws and our court system.

 

[kia2]

Sorry, that does not mean they don't use Chinese nicotine. Read between the lines.

Wow, you are ready to shoot, no matter the subject. I haven't read a positive post from you about anything I have ever said. Excuse me for being so naive.

Ok, so, we'll leave this in your capable hands and say that there is no American made and supplied eliquid on the market, unless you want to pay a very premium price for such rare elixer.

In the meantime, you've inspired a hunt and trace.

 

[Dreams2freedom]

Me too, if they really are made here and not just marketed here. I just don't bother kidding myself that their products really are made here when they aren't. Sometimes, I'd rather buy an honest Chinese product than one that dishonestly tries to make you think it's US made, when it isn't. Half the time, the label itself is printed in China. The fact that the company is American means nothing to me. Most U.S. companies have no loyalty to the U.S.. It's a flag of convenience and they just get incorporated in the US to take advantage of our tax and IP laws and our court system.

I buy from vendors that not only state that the juice is made in America but that their ingredients are sourced in America as well. I tend to believe a company when they say that their products are made here and the ingredients are sourced here. I may be a bit naïve, but I believe most people are honest until they prove they are dishonest.

 

[Zurk]

i use Dekang liquids.

 

[Myk]

I'm not saying that ECBlends is doing this, because I don't know one way or the other.

But I do know that there are companies that do what you say.
And I have emailed some of them to ask if their nicotine is sourced in the United States.

I have never gotten an answer to that question from any company I have asked.
Of course, I have only asked a couple of companies.

And my emails could have gotten overlooked.

That's why I'll fire off an email and ask for "country of origin" if there's any question to the wording.
One company sent back not only saying they get it from the US but the company they get it from. Really telling me from the US is enough to ease my mind.

I don't really care where it comes from as long as it sounds good to my mind.

Some question was raised by Johnson Creek stating "US sourced" but then they have vanilla flavor and vanilla doesn't grow in the US. Do they mean a US vanilla company or perhaps they use artificial. One thing is for sure, they're not getting the best Madagascar beans and making their own flavoring. I just kind of ignore that contradiction.

 

[sailorman]

Wow, you are ready to shoot, no matter the subject. I haven't read a positive post from you about anything I have ever said. Excuse me for being so naive.

Ok, so, we'll leave this in your capable hands and say that there is no American made and supplied eliquid on the market, unless you want to pay a very premium price for such rare elixer.

In the meantime, you've inspired a hunt and trace.

Sorry if my tendency toward reality offends you. I don't think the fact that American nicotine is far more expensive than Chinese nicotine is "negative". It is what it is. If the prices were comparable, why would anyone even bother with shipping Chinese nicotine halfway around the world?

The fact that saying something is "sourced" doesn't mean it is "originated" isn't negative either. Those are just two words that have different meanings and should not be conflated. Definitions cannot be "negative". Words have meaning and marketing people and copywriters are fully aware of it, even if you aren't.

So, bottom line is, yes; if you want American or European nicotine, you will pay a very premium price for it. If that's negative to you, then don't do it. Just keep pretending that you're vaping American nicotine. You'll never notice the difference. After all, nicotine is a commodity. 99.7% nicotine is 99.7% nicotine and, unless that 0.3% is something highly poisonous, it matters not a whit where it came from.

 

[elfstone]

So RTS nicotine is not USA made, then? How could they claim that without anyone taking serious issue?!

 

[sailorman]

I buy from vendors that not only state that the juice is made in America but that their ingredients are sourced in America as well. I tend to believe a company when they say that their products are made here and the ingredients are sourced here. I may be a bit naïve, but I believe most people are honest until they prove they are dishonest.

I DIY and I source all my products and ingredients here too. I source my nicotine from Wizardlabs, right here in Florida. It's Chinese. I source my VG and PG here too. God knows where it's made. A lot of VG is made in Mexico. I source my flavorings from U.S. companies. They're made with Chinese extracts and molecules.

All my juice is made right here in the U.S. and sourced from U.S. suppliers. That's a totally honest statement. Wanna' buy some?

 

[sailorman]

So RTS nicotine is not USA made, then? How could they claim that without anyone taking serious issue?!

I don't know. Do they claim that? Do they say the pure nicotine they use was extracted in the U.S.? Or, do they say it's "sourced" here? I'll have to take a look. Do they sell 99.7%+ nicotine? If they sell only lesser concentrations, they can say it's made here because it is. It's made here with imported nicotine, just like "made in USA" e-juice is.

 

[elfstone]

They extract the nicotine themselves, locally, from US grown tobacco. Or so they say.

In fact, they announce every time they extracted a new batch, and sometimes there are differences they account for with some change in the extraction process.

I read somewhere that, once, some stuff got delivered that had a smell and they withdrew it saying some trainee used the wrong extraction process or something...

 

[sailorman]

Let me add something here. It's not so important where the nicotine comes from. The part that is most susceptible to contaminants is not the nic, it's the PG or VG. There are two issues here. One is the proper labeling of the nic content. Most ejuice vendors, like RTS, check that when they get their concentrations, and again when they dilute them for sale to DIYers.

The other is the purity of the PG or VG they use. Again, that is something in the hands of the vendor. If a vendor titrates his nicotine bases to check concentration, like RTS does, receives a cert. of analysis on his concentrated nicotine, and gets his PG/VG from a reliable source, I don't give a hoot where that relatively small amount of nic comes from. Chinese nicotine is the least of the problems. 99.7% nicotine is 99.7% nicotine, regardless of where it comes from. That's why BP uses Chinese nic almost exclusively.

 

[elfstone]

That's what I meant earlier when I was saying I don't know if I should prefer USA nicotine extracted by a small business versus Chinese nicotine extracted by a Johnson&Johnson subsidiary, from US tobacco, but in China.

And, again, that's why Nicotine USP, PG USP and Glycerin USP are USP exactly down to the moment a non-USP facility unseals the bottle. Then the USP should be gone from the label.

 

[sailorman]

They extract the nicotine themselves, locally, from US grown tobacco. Or so they say.

In fact, they announce every time they extracted a new batch, and sometimes there are differences they account for with some change in the extraction process.

I read somewhere that, once, some stuff got delivered that had a smell and they withdrew it saying some trainee used the wrong extraction process or something...

That's great. I'd take them at their word for it. Most vendors don't have the capability to extract their own nicotine to the purity levels they can get from China. They have to rely on outside labs if they want US nic. RTS has a great advantage in that respect, which is probably why his U.S. nicotine is less expensive than most, but still more than the Chinese stuff.

 

[elfstone]

It's cent for cent the same as MFS, I think....

 

[sailorman]

That's what I meant earlier when I was saying I don't know if I should prefer USA nicotine extracted by a small business versus Chinese nicotine extracted by a Johnson&Johnson subsidiary, from US tobacco, but in China.

And, again, that's why Nicotine USP, PG USP and Glycerin USP are USP exactly down to the moment a non-USP facility unseals the bottle. Then the USP should be gone from the label.

A while back, during the Box Elder debacle, I remember Levi, from RTS, talking about getting the equipment and hiring a chemist to properly analyze nicotine concentrations with a mass spectrometer or whatever they use. It was a pretty big deal at the time. If an American lab has the proper equipment and personnel to test their extracts to the same standards as the testing labs owned by J&J in China, I'd go with the American lab. That's assuming the price isn't out of line. If RTS can match the purity and certifications of the big labs, more power to him. All else being equal, I'll always go with the smaller company.

 

[sailorman]

It's cent for cent the same as MFS, I think....

I seem to remember it's a bit more, but not outrageous. Either of them are twice the price of Wizard, as I found out after I had already used MFS for ages. The thing is, RTS isn't a huge outfit and there aren't a whole lot of other places doing it. So, probably 99% of the nic juice out there is coming from China. If any juice maker is getting his nic from RTS, he's an idiot if he doesn't splash it all over the first page of his website.

Also, MFS has 30% off sales about every month, but even then Wizard is cheaper. MFS is definitely Chinese and it's very excellent nic.