E-juice from china \ US

[Wuzznt Me]

Since there aren't any cases of anybody dieing from vaping that I've heard about on this forum or anywhere else, or even getting seriously ill from it. Nor have I heard about any juice being recalled, I feel fairly safe in buying any juice currently on the market regardless of national origin and will continue to let my taste buds be my guide.

 

[JustaGuy]

WOw! Thanks guys for sharing so much knowledge and pointing which directions to look into. Now got to spend more time doing more read up and research. Anyway I ordered my last batch of e-juice 2 days back total about 500ml in total from this chinese based company (E-C.I.G) which I first got my started kit from. Heard they are the manufacturer their juice so far still safe rite?

It's not so much US vs. China, but company specific. I love Dekang (the e-juice leader in China & the world) but have had some crappy counterfeits, also from China, I wouldn't touch again. Johnson Creek seems to be a quality outfit in the US based on info they provide. Wherever you buy your juice, make sure you know the origin, history and manufacturing quality. Use reputable dealers in whatever country.

 

[Mindfield]

Since there aren't any cases of anybody dieing from vaping that I've heard about on this forum or anywhere else, or even getting seriously ill from it. Nor have I heard about any juice being recalled, I feel fairly safe in buying any juice currently on the market regardless of national origin and will continue to let my taste buds be my guide.

I don't know what classifies as "seriously ill" but the juice I got from GreenhouseOne reduced the circulation in my extremities and produced frequent but random heart palpitations that only went away when I stopped vaping for a few hours. And I'm not the only one that's happened to with that juice, either.

Now, it was just that juice, but the problem is I don't know who made it -- nothing on the bottles, nothing on GHO's site about who makes their juice, so I have to be suspicious of any juice that hasn't been vetted by others, but Chinese juice in particular, if only because that's the stuff that made me sick and China has some pretty lax quality oversight in places. The melamine and n-Hexane scandals at the very least makes me uneasy about getting certain things from China.

 

[Wuzznt Me]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll file that one as a don't try it. By seriously ill I meant something requiring hospitalization or Dr. care for a while. Not to minimize your experience. It would have freaked me out and I'm glad it went away in a few hours. Most of what I vape I read reviews on before I buy anyway to sort out what others say about the taste. If several people say it tastes yucky I'm probably not gonna like it much either. I bought one RY4 that somebody said tasted bad but I had bought from that vendor before so I thought it might just be that person. Should have listened. I keep it on my desk as a paperweight to remind me to listen to the reviews.

 

[swedishfish]

I don't know what classifies as "seriously ill" but the juice I got from GreenhouseOne reduced the circulation in my extremities and produced frequent but random heart palpitations that only went away when I stopped vaping for a few hours. And I'm not the only one that's happened to with that juice, either.

Now, it was just that juice, but the problem is I don't know who made it -- nothing on the bottles, nothing on GHO's site about who makes their juice, so I have to be suspicious of any juice that hasn't been vetted by others, but Chinese juice in particular, if only because that's the stuff that made me sick and China has some pretty lax quality oversight in places. The melamine and n-Hexane scandals at the very least makes me uneasy about getting certain things from China.

Here's what I don't get- People that post on here that they got sick immediately after vaping a particular juice and proceed to order more juice from that vendor. Or even worse, try to doctor up the juice that made them sick by adding VG to it. Unless you bought a gallon of it, it's a bottle of juice! Throw it away.

 

[Mindfield]

Here's what I don't get- People that post on here that they got sick immediately after vaping a particular juice and proceed to order more juice from that vendor. Or even worse, try to doctor up the juice that made them sick by adding VG to it. Unless you bought a gallon of it, it's a bottle of juice! Throw it away.

I did. Problem is, it took almost a month for the symptoms to get bad. They started off mild but progressed over the course of a few weeks until the heart palpitations kicked in and freaked me the hell out enough to go back to cigarettes. (I didn't know at the time that it was that particular juice, not all juices.)

Obviously, I've never bought from them again.

 

[FlyinMozart]

I have not heard of them. Here is one Chinese supplier and one UK/US company that uses Chinese liquid that are well supported here on ECF:

Liberty Flights: E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 5ML - PG - Tobaccos

Heaven Gifts: Best electronic cigarettes_ecigarettes_eliquids_ejuices - Heaven Gifts

Thanks, wv2win think I stick to your recommended list until I gain more experience & knowledge.Still dunno much abt all the PG & VG thingy. I was recommended to use best mix II from a friend who intro me to e-cig. Still plenty of stuff to learn.

 

[swedishfish]

I did. Problem is, it took almost a month for the symptoms to get bad. They started off mild but progressed over the course of a few weeks until the heart palpitations kicked in and freaked me the hell out enough to go back to cigarettes. (I didn't know at the time that it was that particular juice, not all juices.)

Obviously, I've never bought from them again.

I can understand that. You may not have even known what it was. But some people say they get sick immediately.

Maybe it's me. I got a salad at BK once that had a Lee press-on nail in the salad. Every time I see the BK sign I think about it and get grossed out all over again and haven't been able to eat there since.

 

[Mindfield]

I can understand that. You may not have even known what it was. But some people say they get sick immediately.

Maybe it's me. I got a salad at BK once that had a Lee press-on nail in the salad. Every time I see the BK sign I think about it and get grossed out all over again and haven't been able to eat there since.

I definitely don't know what it was -- but I do know it was that juice. As soon as I stopped vaping it the symptoms went away. I originally thought I was vaping too high nicotine (18mg at the time) so I tried going down to 6 and 12 but I couldn't vape them because they weren't satisfying. (And I got too high a VG content which made me cough like mad because the vapor was too dense.) I went back to cigarettes until by chance I ran across someone else with the same symptoms vaping the same juice, and that's when it clicked. Went back to vaping immediately -- and as if to prove a point, ordered 24mg. Been happy with that since and without any problems. (And as if to reinforce the point, when I talked about this earlier on here I got a PM from someone else with the same symptoms and same juice. 3 isn't exactly a broad sample, but it's more than enough for me: Stay the hell away from GreenhouseOne's juices. No problems with their hardware though!)

I don't know what was in that juice (melamine? lead? powdered seal penis?) but it was definitely not healthy. Point being though that not knowing who made it has made me extremely leery of any Chinese juice that hasn't been well vetted.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

For what it is worth, I have read, probably here on ECF that 90% of the world's eliquid is produced by Dekang. As well, I've read that virtually all the nicotine base comes from China.

As well, I think we should understand if there is a difference between U.S. Made and U.S. Mixed.

 

[wv2win]

Thanks, wv2win think I stick to your recommended list until I gain more experience & knowledge.Still dunno much abt all the PG & VG thingy. I was recommended to use best mix II from a friend who intro me to e-cig. Still plenty of stuff to learn.

Liberty Flights sell their liquids in all PG and all VG. The taste between the same two flavors, one in PG and one in VG, is significantly different. The PG liquid is more flavorable, IMO. You can always buy the same flavor in both bases and mix the two as I do occassionally. Primarily I vape all PG liquids.

If you like a smooth, light tobacco flavor, I would suggest Liberty Flights (PG version) Home Counties.

Another very good liquid supplier is Janty. Their classic (regular) RY4 is the best one I have tried. Smooth tobacco with an undertone of carmal and vanilla. They cost more, but their RY4 is worth it.

Janty electronic cigarettes, e-liquids and carts - Janty E-liquid

 

[JustaGuy]

For what it is worth, I have read, probably here on ECF that 90% of the world's eliquid is produced by Dekang. As well, I've read that virtually all the nicotine base comes from China.

As well, I think we should understand if there is a difference between U.S. Made and U.S. Mixed.

I believe Dekang is the world's biggest juice producer. However, seeing a good profit could be made, there are many counterfeiters of Dekang from China and perhaps in the US. I've run into a few so-called Dekang juices that are completely off.

If someone mixed Dekang juice here in the US, it is no longer Chinese made & U.S. Mixed. Once a mixer opens the bottle, they can add anything they want and it is no longer true Dekang to me. If anything goes wrong, the mixer can conveniently blame it on Dekang, which I don't agree with. As for U.S. Made, many DIY members on ECF can just as well get an e-commerce website, open a shop and starting selling juice. The ingredients are readily available and there are few restrictions in the US.

When it comes to juice, caveat emptor! My two cents.

Disclosure: I make no statement towards the knowledge and ability of DIY folks. I do vape genuine Dekang.

p.s. case in point, check this current thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/212851-what-my-eliquid-its-burning-my-nose-throat.html

 

[Cool_Breeze]

If someone mixed Dekang juice here in the US, it is no longer Chinese made & U.S. Mixed. Once a mixer opens the bottle, they can add anything they want and it is no longer true Dekang to me. If anything goes wrong, the mixer can conveniently blame it on Dekang, which I don't agree with. As for U.S. Made, many DIY members on ECF can just as well get an e-commerce website, open a shop and starting selling juice. The ingredients are readily available and there are few restrictions in the US.

What termonology should apply if the basic ingredients are formulated in China and combined in the U.S? Does a flavoring only from other than China change that? If so, is that an arguement of word definitions or something else?

'Assembled in the U.S. from imported components'...?

 

[JustaGuy]

What termonology should apply if the basic ingredients are formulated in China and combined in the U.S? Does a flavoring only from other than China change that? If so, is that an arguement of word definitions or something else?

Sometimes, it's not just flavorings, which come from around the world (I believe Flavorart is from Italy, but I'm no DIYer), mixers also add nicotine and not all nic is from China! There have been discussions about the quality of nic. If I bought some bulk Coke, Tropicana orange juice, or Jack Daniels, opened the bottles and possibly adjusted them, would you buy them from me despite my fancy e-commerce website? We've had just such issues with Tylenol and fruit juices.

Note: Yes, there are different coke bottlers, but all supervised by Coke, not so with juice mixing.

I'm not saying good products don't come from the US, Italy, Canada, Mexico or China. Just buyer beware. We cannot assume that just because something is being sold, it is safe.

p.s. http://www.cignot.com, a US vendor I trust, sells unadulterated Dekang and genuine Joye hardware.

 

[Ralikar]

I'm all about choice: smoking, vaping or what company you want to vape with. I didn't post that Chinese juice isn't safe and that all American juice is safer. Vape with whatever company you wish. However, I like the fact that dealing with an American company ensures some legal recourse. I like my ECF friends and if you want to order and vape juice straight from Dekang because you like their QC go for it. But I think this post is important to discuss the options vapers, esp for new vapors to consider, have to make an informed decision as to who they trust and why. I don't like the governmental structure of China, the lack of a free press to look at their national health mistakes like we can here, the anti-American sentiment (unless it involves our money), the health issues they have had in the past and the lack of any possibility of compensation via international law. But such things are for an individual to consider and decide for themselves; at least new vapers can make an informed decision by ALL the facts people post here, not just mine. It's all good to me: in fact, the USPS tells me my new JC apple and espresso are "out for delivery" right now! So I'm happy ;0

 

[TheStalker]

I regularly vape Dekangs SD4 and I love it. Some if the Dekang liquids dont have the same flavour as stuff from the UK, but I guess that's why it's a lot cheaper.

 

[Vincurean]

scary...but i use dekang and as the previous post mentioned it is internationally certified...=) no issue where ts made for as long as its good...IS DA SH** hahaha

 

[light487]

I trust large Chinese manufacturers as much as I trust large USA manufacturers. Once an operation gets too big to be watched over by caring and considerate creators of the product, things tend to get sloppy. It's got nothing to do with it being "Made in China" or "Made in USA".. it's about greed and laziness. Greed on part of the company and laziness on part of the employees. Once an operation gets big enough, the company begins to buy products from the lowest bidder and they start to hire on employees that may not be up to the demanding task that is needed to stay within a quality assurance/compliance model.

I've had bad batches from UK, EU, USA, Australia and China based manufacturers across a large range of products, not just ecigs, and had great product quality from the same. In the end it comes down to personal choice and experience.

 

[Boodle]

If the vendor doesn't advertise their juice as American made I pass it by. I'm happy to buy hardware from China.