Doctor's Office

[Aryadna]

Ciego, read other comments other than yours and mine before you go off on a tangent, please. Yoshimum used the word "Immature" not you. I have a lot of empathy for other people, and I have self-restraint. I just don't think it is an issue. So, as I said, if you feel that you don't want to vape in those situations, please do not. I, on the other hand, will continue to vape where and when I wish. I now consider this conversation closed.

i quit smoking analogs a month before surgery and tapered down to low or zero nicotine two weeks before surgery, and i asked my anesthesia provider what my endotracheal tube looked like when i was extubated-he said it was clean-no mucous, no tar. i had no coughing fits in the recovery room and my oxygen saturation levels were 99% on room air. it is important to cut down the nicotine level you are vaping if you are fixin to have surgery. vaping 0 nic would be ideal. this is important for microcirculation and also optimal wound healing.

Thank you for the information, Tex! I'm soon to have surgery and my doctor has suggested that I cut down on the nicotine as well. This is why I bought the DIY kit from One Stop DIY Shop. That way I can gradually lower my nicotine levels on my own without having to buy so many juices. I can't wait to try out the root beer flavor! I don't know if I can go down to zero nicotine, but I will certainly try to cut down!

 

[SimpleSins]

Ciego, read other comments other than yours and mine before you go off on a tangent, please. Yoshimum used the word "Immature" not you. I have a lot of empathy for other people, and I have self-restraint. I just don't think it is an issue. So, as I said, if you feel that you don't want to vape in those situations, please do not. I, on the other hand, will continue to vape where and when I wish. I now consider this conversation closed.

It is a discussion board, but I do have to agree that there are times and places when certain behaviors even among legal of-age adults are inappropriate.

And, as they say, QED.

 

[texastumbleweed]

you are welcome. all that matter is that you TRY to cut your nicotine level down. trust me, i had difficulty vaping 0 nic, but alternated between 6mg, 12mg and 0mg juices......and even if you cant, you are still way better off than if you were still smoking cigarettes....best wishes with your surgery. if you have any history of postoperative nausea and vomiting, make sure you let the anesthesia provider know during your preop so they can give you a scopolamine patch to place behind your ear the night before surgery.

Thank you for the information, Tex! I'm soon to have surgery and my doctor has suggested that I cut down on the nicotine as well. This is why I bought the DIY kit from One Stop DIY Shop. That way I can gradually lower my nicotine levels on my own without having to buy so many juices. I can't wait to try out the root beer flavor! I don't know if I can go down to zero nicotine, but I will certainly try to cut down!

 

[Aryadna]

you are welcome. all that matter is that you TRY to cut your nicotine level down. trust me, i had difficulty vaping 0 nic, but alternated between 6mg, 12mg and 0mg juices......and even if you cant, you are still way better off than if you were still smoking cigarettes....best wishes with your surgery. if you have any history of postoperative nausea and vomiting, make sure you let the anesthesia provider know during your preop so they can give you a scopolamine patch to place behind your ear the night before surgery.

Thankfully, every surgery I've had, I've never had nausea or vomiting, so I don't have to worry about that. But I'll be trying to cut down my nic level soon as I get my DIY kit. I can't wait to become the Mad Scientist and mix and match flavors! I just have to remember to use the small bottles to try my recipes before I make the big batches! I'd hate to have something I can't stand and have made a huge bottle of it.

My surgery isn't for a couple months or so (I don't have a date yet because I have a lot of hoops to jump through), so I have plenty of time to wean myself down from 16mg. If I can get to 6mg, I'll be ecstatic, but if I get to 11 or 10mg, I'll be happy.

 

[YoshiMum]

I'm sorry that both of you think that I am immature and selfish, but I'm not going to stop vaping in public places just because you two have a conviction against certain places. If you don't want to vape in those areas, then don't. I will continue to do so, because I have the conviction to do so. Get off your high horses and save your nerd-rage for where it is deserved.

Conviction? You stated that you recently picked up a kit to get off analogs. You are new to this, have you bothered to research how hard so many folks are working FOR YOU to keep the right to vape? It's because of careless abusers that polite users are having to fight for the right to even buy supplies in some places.
My horse is high enough to respect myself and others. Why don't you take a step up too?
Go on, step up ... read and sign the petitions. This is a discussion board, and it's educational as well. Look around & learn.
Educate yourself, bans & limits are everywhere---we can't buy/sell ecigs on eBay; can't use Paypal to purchase, etc.
And hey you can't vape indoors in NJ read this-- Bill To Restrict
Wanna know why laws like that will stick and be hard to reverse by those fighting? Because there will always be folks like you who fail to exercise self restraint so our government does for us.
Thanks to your conviction, maybe your state will be next on the list. Aren't you proud?
I wasn't name calling, just stating the facts. Maybe I am a nerd like you said but I read promote safe practice of something that saved my life & I love.
Your a newbie, suck it up & get with program.

 

[Aryadna]

Conviction? You stated that you recently picked up a kit to get off analogs. You are new to this, have you bothered to research how hard so many folks are working FOR YOU to keep the right to vape?

Check the signature, hun. I picked up new kits to replace my OLD ones. I am NOT new to this. I have been vaping since April. Yes, I have done my research. I have sent letters to state senators and I have sent letters to governors. I have even sent a letter to the president. When I say "Conviction" that means I have a CONVICTION. Period. End of story. Stop hijacking threads for your personal venture. Stop attacking people just to get your jollies off. Now, I consider this discussion closed, too. When I consider a discussion closed, that means I will no longer respond to impolite, ignorant people. Thank you.

 

[Valsacar]

Doctors offices I can understand, mainly due to the fact that there are sick people there and some of the flavorings could be an irritant to them. Now, I have vaped in a hospital, after 3 hours of running around doing various tests (VA exam) I slipped into a stairwell and had a few puffs.

As for everywhere else, the reason the indoor smoking bans exist is because of the SMOKE. I openly vape just about everywhere, and have never been told I can't. Plenty of times I've been told I can't smoke, then they realize there's no smoke and walk away... except this one lady, she persisted for a while.

 

[Aryadna]

Doctors offices I can understand, mainly due to the fact that there are sick people there and some of the flavorings could be an irritant to them. Now, I have vaped in a hospital, after 3 hours of running around doing various tests (VA exam) I slipped into a stairwell and had a few puffs.

As for everywhere else, the reason the indoor smoking bans exist is because of the SMOKE. I openly vape just about everywhere, and have never been told I can't. Plenty of times I've been told I can't smoke, then they realize there's no smoke and walk away... except this one lady, she persisted for a while.

Yeah. I have never had one complaint about my vaping in a public place. I get compliments. I get curious questions. I get "Is that a trick?" a lot. I get bewildered stares. I sometime get dirty looks until I gently tell them that I'm not smoking, and show them the blue LED. Never once has anyone complained, and I think its empowering to show it off in public so more smokers are aware.

Brewlady, in a post in the Newbies forums, shared a website: CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association. They have a tri-fold brochure that gives facts about the e-cig. I was so excited about this brochure that I printed out 30 of them. The tri-fold is kind of hard to find on the site, so here's the direct link: http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf. I folded them up nicely (it took me one practice fold, and then it was cake) and stuck the lot of them in my purse. Now, when I get those curious questions or bewildered stares, I can save some wind and hand them a very attractive brochure. (I printed it out in grayscale. It still looks wonderfully professional.) I have some business cards on their way as well. I did not order them from the ECF shop, but the ones there are attractive as well.

But, I agree with you, Valsacar. Indoor smoking bans exist because of the harm in second hand smoke. Until I'm told I can't vape somewhere, it is open game anywhere. The only place I do NOT use my e-cig openly is the theater. The LED is very bright in dark places, and the vapor can obscure the picture for other people. If I need a nic fix in the theater, I just tell my date that I'm going to the bathroom and vape in the hallway for a few minutes, then go back in. So, I guess I'm still technically vaping in the theater, but just not in the same room as the screens.

Doctor's offices... I haven't been told that I can't vape there. I've actually converted three people to vaping while waiting for my doctor's visit. I make sure not to blow the vapor at people's faces. But, other than that, I see no reason to not vape in a place where I have permission to vape. (Yes, I got my doctor's permission to vape in the building!)

And, now that I have those tri-fold brochures, I'm even more prepared for those public outings!

 

[adeline]

LOVE the brochures! Fantastic find!

 

[Aryadna]

Aren't they?! I can't thank Brewlady enough for posting that link, otherwise I would have just been using my own logic. This way, I can show them facts, rather than what my brain passes off as facts. LOL

 

[TxMagic]

I went to see my doctor the other day, and had my e-cig with me. I didn't think anything about it. I just started puffing in the waiting room because I was nervous. A few of the patrons gave me dirty looks (probably jealous) and did the whisper about me thing thinking I couldn't hear them.

This is the statement made in your opening post. Think others are correct in urging you to consider that just because you legally can vape doesn't mean you always should. You were nervous and did it before you caught yourself. Your statement. But then you continued, even though others reacted negatively. Maybe you could have put it away and waited until you were in the exam room or stepped out into the hall. No reason to cause additional stress to other patients - visiting the doctor when sick is already stressful enough. They won't remember the encounter positively. That's all. I'm sure you'll consider this in the future.

Good luck with cutting back on the nic level. You will heal faster. You've already improved your recovery time and lessened the chances of complications by getting of the analogs.

 

[Ciego]

Aryadna,

First of all, thanks for the heads-up on the brochure. It sounds like a very useful tool.

Secondly, best of luck on your surgery.

Lastly, no...this conversation is not closed, nor will it be for a long while. Sure, we can end it here, this thread...but self-righteous, selfish people who insist on infringing on others' rights, or who fail to consider others' feelings will always prompt discussion.

I understand, believe me. You're ailing from something. You were nervous.

Sadly, and this is strictly my observation: Americans have become incredibly selfish. It's all about "me." My rights, my convictions, my needs, my desires. Maybe you get a pass, because you are ailing. But please, before you start to hit the reply button to snap off a nasty remark at me for expressing my opinion, think of the other people in that waiting room. Maybe you could "educate" them, maybe you could advocate... However, think of others. If I'm ill, the last thing I want is some militant preaching to me, demonstrating a product, proclaiming her rights.

What if, for sake of discussion, someone near you is indeed allergic to PG? A flavoring? Perhaps the smell of tobacco nauseates them. Maybe they've recently lost someone to a pulmonary disease. You don't know, and it's a doctor's office. People around you are worried, sick or both.

So go ahead and proclaim your selfish convictions. I hope you get treated better than you seem to treat others.

 

[Aryadna]

First off, I never said I didn't educate them. I did so, and the experience turned out positive. Just because I did not put this in my initial post does not make it true and correct. Secondly, I have permission from the doctor to vape in the building. Enough said. This thread is supposed to be about encounters in the public, and I shared mine. It is obvious to me now that I made a mistake coming to this particular part of the forums to share my happy experiences with other people. Thank you for making me realize this mistake. I didn't come here to be attacked for sharing my happy moments in public. I am no longer subscribed to this thread, and will no longer check it. So yes, this conversation is closed.

 

[Ciego]

<whispering> Good. She's gone. Guess she doesn't understand that this isn't the Success stories section, but a place for two-way discussion about vaping in public. Maybe she doesn't know what a discussion is. Maybe she's threatened by anyone who questions her behavior in the interest of discourse. Maybe she just plain doesn't like me. Sigh. Well anyway, Ary, I'll still say a little prayer for your good health and a good outcome for your procedure.

BTW, a word of thanks. Thanks.

 

[YoshiMum]

I have a lot of empathy for other people, and I have self-restraint. I just don't think it is an issue. So, as I said, if you feel that you don't want to vape in those situations, please do not. I, on the other hand, will continue to vape where and when I wish. I now consider this conversation closed.

Geez... You shared a total disregard for the patients around you...is that empathy? Then you share that you need bariatric surgery, while proclaiming you have self restraint but you will continue to vape where and when ever you want .

<whispering> Good. She's gone. Guess she doesn't understand that this isn't the Success stories section, but a place for two-way discussion about vaping in public. Maybe she doesn't know what a discussion is. Maybe she's threatened by anyone who questions her behavior in the interest of discourse. Maybe she just plain doesn't like me. Sigh. Well anyway, Ary, I'll still say a little prayer for your good health and a good outcome for your procedure. BTW, a word of thanks. Thanks.

Ciego, it's not you that she doesn't like, it was me... honestly, some folks have no clue.
Peace y'all.

 

[Redneck500]

Dang, you need to set something up so you can get a commision LOL

 

[YoshiMum]

Dang, you need to set something up so you can get a commision LOL

LOL... I reckon southerners just naturally have more consideration and better manners than to blow plumes out in a physicians waiting room. Aryadna can deny herself right out of the conversation but it won't change the fact that it's a rude, selfish and immature behavior that can result in contributing to a ban like the one in Jersey. Contrary to her opinion there can never be enough said to help prevent that from happening in other states.