Does Kentucky Premium Blend cause tight draw on cartos?

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Zodas

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Ive tried it in 3 cartos and everytime the draw is extremely tight...it vapes well and tastes great...but its like sucking cement through a stir stick.

I just switched to CCVs Resurrector 1.7ohm cartos and I figured that might be the issue but Ive tried other flavors and they work fine.

KPB isnt a thick liquid...its a 60/40 or a 70/30 I think but it just seems to vape like a thicker liquid. Instead of sizzling it kind of just slowly pops and once you get the carto to anything less than full its hard to hear any sound.

Im just wondering if this is just how the juice works...it taste great and it looks normal so I dont think its a bunk batch.
 

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While I have not tried this juice I have found for one reason or another, pg/vg ratio is not always the end-all-be-all determiner of what to expect with viscosity and performance. It may be just one of those juices that acts better in an atty. Over the past week and a half I have almost entirely made the switch to attys. I've read a lot of jplanet's posts about attys and took his word for it. For some reason a thousand people can say the same thing, but for some reason one voice will resonate. It is almost like he has the right percentage of bronze and tin and his bell just rings best for me on the atty vs carto issue. I am rambling now, but try it on an atty and maybe it will be right at home.
 

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Not to pose as an authority, but I’m pretty sure that the situation the OP describes---a tightened carto draw---is caused not by a hardware problem, but by the juice itself. Kentucky Premium is made with natural extract tobacco flavoring, and that’s the cause.

Naturally-extracted tobacco flavoring is made (in the simplest terms) by a maceration process followed by filtering. Put some quantity (amount varies) of tobacco leaves (either fresh or dried/cured) into a container, such as a bucket with a lid. Cover the leaves with pure PG or VG. That’s the maceration. Let that stew steep (time varies, from a couple days to some weeks, assuming the maceration is kept cool/chilled to prevent spoiling). During the steeping, chemical flavor components of the tobacco leaves seep or leech into the liquid. When the steeping is adequate to color and flavor the liquid, pour off the liquid (discarding the leaves), then filter it through various sieves or paper filters to remove the tiny pieces of leaf solids that have ended up in the juice during disintegration. Those are called particulates. The resulting filtered liquid is natural extract tobacco flavoring.

Current filtering technology cannot completely remove all the particulates without also reducing the flavor, which was the whole point of the process---to extract the natural flavors, rather than trying to artificially synthesize them in a lab with chemicals. As a result, most natural tobacco extracts are dark-colored---because they contain some concentration of left-over particulates.

Many tobacco-blend retail vaping juices are now made using natural extract tobacco flavorings---Kentucky Premium is only one of hundreds, with more vendors using them as time goes by. Why? Because they taste better than synthetic flavorings. Also, natural extract tobacco flavorings can be purchased through various retail vendors for DIY juice-making. The two most well-known and ultra-concentrated natural concentrates are called Tobacco Absolute and Tobacco Extract. Most other natural tobacco extracts flavorings are made in-house by the method described above.

When loaded into filler-based cartos, the darker particulate solids in these juices will begin to collect near the bottom of the filler, gradually darkening it, and eventually clogging the filler batting sufficiently to tighten the draw. You can see this process occur by using a clear-tube carto. Over time and a number of refills or top-ups, the carto filler will darken gradually from the bottom of the carto up toward the middle. That part of the filler may appear almost black and sort of gunky.

Before the draw tightens, the carto can usually be cleaned by rinsing it out for a couple of minutes in a strong stream of very hot water. After such a cleaning, the renewed filler may not be as pristinely white as when new, but it will get to eggshell off-white or very light gray. After blowing out the cleaning water from the carto, it should be good for another bunch of refills. Once the draw tightens, however, the carto is dead and can’t be saved. At that point, into the trash it goes.

Some juices made from natural tobacco extracts contain more particulates than others. For instance, VermillionRiver Classic Blend is much worse as a "carto-killer" than Kentucky Premium, which in turn tends to be worse than the various offshoot blends---Kentucky Applewood, Maplewood, Vanilla, etc., for the simple reason that VR's Kentucky offshoot blends contain a lower concentration of particulates than Premium Blend alone.

But so what? Cartos are cheap, and a small price to pay for the delicious flavor provided by tobacco juices made with natural extract flavorings.
 
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Not to pose as an authority, but I’m pretty sure that the situation the OP describes---a tightened carto draw---is caused not by a hardware problem, but by the juice itself. Kentucky Premium is made with natural extract tobacco flavoring, and that’s the cause.

Naturally-extracted tobacco flavoring is made (in the simplest terms) by a maceration process followed by filtering. Put some quantity (amount varies) of tobacco leaves (either fresh or dried/cured) into a container, such as a bucket with a lid. Cover the leaves with pure PG or VG. That’s the maceration. Let that stew steep (time varies, from a couple days to some weeks, assuming the maceration is kept cool/chilled to prevent spoiling). During the steeping, chemical flavor components of the tobacco leaves seep or leech into the liquid. When the steeping is adequate to color and flavor the liquid, pour off the liquid (discarding the leaves), then filter it through various sieves or paper filters to remove the tiny pieces of leaf solids that have ended up in the juice during disintegration. Those are called particulates. The resulting filtered liquid is natural extract tobacco flavoring.

Current filtering technology cannot completely remove all the particulates without also reducing the flavor, which was the whole point of the process---to extract the natural flavors, rather than trying to artificially synthesize them in a lab with chemicals. As a result, most natural tobacco extracts are dark-colored---because they contain some concentration of left-over particulates.

Many tobacco-blend retail vaping juices are now made using natural extract tobacco flavorings---Kentucky Premium is only one of hundreds, with more vendors using them as time goes by. Why? Because they taste better than synthetic flavorings. Also, natural extract tobacco flavorings can be purchased through various retail vendors for DIY juice-making. The two most well-known and ultra-concentrated natural concentrates are called Tobacco Absolute and Tobacco Extract. Most other natural tobacco extracts flavorings are made in-house by the method described above.

When loaded into filler-based cartos, the darker particulate solids in these juices will begin to collect near the bottom of the filler, gradually darkening it, and eventually clogging the filler batting sufficiently to tighten the draw. You can see this process occur by using a clear-tube carto. Over time and a number of refills or top-ups, the carto filler will darken gradually from the bottom of the carto up toward the middle. That part of the filler may appear almost black and sort of gunky.

Before the draw tightens, the carto can usually be cleaned by rinsing it out for a couple of minutes in a strong stream of very hot water. After such a cleaning, the renewed filler may not be as pristinely white as when new, but it will get to eggshell off-white or very light gray. After blowing out the cleaning water from the carto, it should be good for another bunch of refills. Once the draw tightens, however, the carto is dead and can’t be saved. At that point, into the trash it goes.

Some juices made from natural tobacco extracts contain more particulates than others. For instance, VermillionRiver Classic Blend is much worse as a "carto-killer" than Kentucky Premium, which in turn tends to be worse than the various offshoot blends---Kentucky Applewood, Maplewood, Vanilla, etc., for the simple reason that VR's Kentucky offshoot blends contain a lower concentration of particulates than Premium Blend alone.

But so what? Cartos are cheap, and a small price to pay for the delicious flavor provided by tobacco juices made with natural extract flavorings.

I definitely agree with Bill on this. My dh and I vape VR's KPB line of juice as well and while we both get about 4-5 day's worth out of a carto/tank combo (about 12 ml worth), the longevity isn't there with the Classic Blend. Also, because there is so much inconsistency with cartomizers, we sometimes only get 1-2 days (FWIW, we use 3.0 Boge cartomizers). And of course, there are a lot of other variables to consider. It does get frustrating, eh?!:facepalm::laugh:
 
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