Does NYC's Proposed Outdoor Smoking Ban Go Too Far? Vote Now!!

[QueenInNC]

http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/po...utdoor-smo.php

Click the link to read and vote!
Do you think the proposed outdoor smoking ban goes too far?

Yes. Enough already--smokers should be allowed to use outdoor public spaces.
No. People go to parks and beaches to enjoy the fresh air; smokers need to go elsewhere to light up.


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[CJsKee]

Time for a bump

 

[MoonRose]

Voted and posted a comment, and boy is it a good comment too.

 

[CaptJay]

When they start losing tourist dollars they'll reverse this madness - many Europeans smoke - they wont go where they aren't welcome. Well done New York - way to lose even MORE money for your voters.

 

[datacreek]

I voted and commented. The nanny mentality is one of my pet peeves. Plus the dangers of second hand smoke is one of the most exaggerated clients ever.

 

[scheherezade]

Voted and a bump

 

[Vocalek]

Voted and posted a comment, and boy is it a good comment too.

You're right. It is a good comment! So was Jim's. I expanded on what he wrote. Comment awaiting moderation. Remember, moderation in all things.

Update 9/19/2010 @ 2:18 pm: My comment still has not been posted. Several comments with time stamps later than mine have been posted. Was it something that I said?

 

[jtcaseyjr]

I voted and now you get a free bump

 

[QueenInNC]

Keep those votes coming! We are ahead!!

 

[PlanetScribbles]

The poll is 50/50 right now. I think that while there are so many sheeple who are willing to believe the BS they are told, then we are fighting a lost cause.
'We, the people' are their own worst enemy IMO. So easily led, and so gullible. Unbelievable.
Smoking is not good, we of all people know that, but we are talking about open spaces here ffs. More people will die from pollution caused by 9/11 than those who will ever be effected as a result of breathing in second hand smoke in a public 'open space'.
You would be effected more by someone burning a rubber tyre 50 miles away. All whilst choking traffic congestion is tolerated? All whilst the Govt that cares so much about our health creams exorbitant taxes off the smoker as a 'deterrent', yet still allows cigarettes to be sold on every street corner and in every minute mart? Damn.
Plus, what is stopping e-cigs from being included in such a draconian law even when they are completely accepted? Such laws are the very thinnest end of the wedge, and a further step towards a police state. All done with a great big handshake from Joe Sixpack

 

[Vocalek]

OK, I submitted my comment again, this time in two parts. I don't think I said anything offensive or Spamish....

Jim was not talking about chewing tobacco when he referenced 98-99% safer tobacco products. He was talking about the newer dissolvable tobacco products, which are entirely consumed in the mouth just like a Commit lozenge, and about Swedish snus, a type of moist snuff. The snuff is prepackaged into a small pouch made of material similar to a teabag. The pouch is placed between the upper lip and the gum and the nicotine is absorbed in the same way that nicotine is absorbed from Nicorette gum or Commit lozenges. No spitting is required. Swedish snus has been treated to remove the majority of cancer-causing nitrosamines, which explains why there is little difference in life-expectancy between smokers who switched to snus and smokers who quit all forms of nicotine.

Research shows that smokers are able to stop smoking by switching to snus much more easily than by using medicinal nicotine products such as the patch, gum, lozenges, and prescription inhalers. One study revealed that 66% of snus users are former smokers.
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Likewise, electronic cigarettes do not emit smoke. Nothing is burned, so there is no air pollution—no tar, particulates, CO, or thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion. What you see is actually vapor – just like you see in theatrical productions and concerts that have artificial fog machines in use. In fact, the same chemical used in those machines, propylene glycol, is the chemical that creates the e-cigarette vapor. The vapor delivers about a tenth the amount of nicotine per puff than cigarette smoke, and nearly all of that is absorbed by the user’s body when inhaled. The only other ingredients in the liquid are water and flavoring. Health New Zealand has studied the vapor and pronounced it “harmless, inhaled or exhaled.”

Given what we know from research on nicotine delivered from other safer sources such as Swedish snus and medicinal nicotine products, medical experts predict that switching to an electronic cigarette will reduce the risk of smoking-related diseases by up to 99%.

Bystanders are in no more danger of being exposed to “drug use” by former smokers who have switched to a reduced-harm tobacco product like snus, dissolvables, or an e-cigarette than they are by being around former smokers using the FDA-approved patch, gum, lozenges, or prescription nicotine inhalers--in other words, no danger whatsoever.
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[mwa102464]

Right on and well said Vocalek

 

[nojoyet]

Voted and here's a bump. More votes needed.

 

[dmdonald2]

Here's a bump. Definitly need more votes