Cartomizers... I forgot what I was going to say... Got distracted by blinking ProVari light... Oh well, *Vape Vape Vape*... Die already damn battery!!!
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Does the MOD really Matter
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Cartomizers... I forgot what I was going to say... Got distracted by blinking ProVari light... Oh well, *Vape Vape Vape*... Die already damn battery!!!
Speaking of juice though, I just cracked a 3 week old DIY, Banana Chocolate Bavarian Cream... Mmmmm........... Life is Yummy!!!
I used to use RBA's. They were pretty much the only thing you could vape Pluid in without muting the flavor until the ProTank arrived to save me from long hours of tedium and toil.
I agree about my last statements in that post...that was the point, and thanks for making the corrections!
This is all I was trying to do with the posts about Evolv and warranty service.
It doesn't have to get personal. I'm not calling people trolls and throwing blame around about who picks what fights. I just wanted to set the record straight about how warranties generally work, why the Darwin's was a little more complicated, and that to my knowledge Evolv has not been 'blowing people off'.
Way back, I made a list of excellent voltage/wattage regulators. I only did it because someone SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED the information.
Of course they can break during installation, or be put into an unreliable mod, but the regulators are solid and Evolv is more than reasonable in helping modders trouble shoot them and get things up and running. Warranting a 'modder's part' is a whole different ball park from warranting an 'entire mod'.
Someone went off on the Darwin because it was mentioned in a list of several other regulators that EXIST and they DO provide a signal as flat and steady as the ProVari, and then followed up with rumors or made up stuff about Darwin service, then he came back later to do the same about the Kick using phrases like, 'Brush off customers'.
I did not argue with Oz, twice I apologized for quoting him, as my initial beef goes back to the post (which I deem to be false based on my own personal experience) about Darwin transferred warranties being refused. I intended to argue with follow up posts by others, who accused me of 'jumping to wild conclusions'. Meanwhile, the posts accusing Evolv of blowing off consumers go unchecked while every little mistake I make gets 'troller status, and kicked out of the sand-box'.
Evolv asked for an invoice to confirm whether or not the BATTERY was still warranted. It was about the DATE OF PURCHASE, not who had originally purchased it. They would still take it an repair it, even if it had passed the warranty....for a locked in price promised at the time of the PV purchase.
I was also called a 'troller' and told to 'go play in another sandbox', and told 'what to do with my time'. By at least two different posters...and this was long before the sarcastic rant about double standards.
The whole thread of logic is simple...The warranty and service policies for both companies are not all that different. The products they are servicing on the other hand, are quite different.
I DID NOT ARGUE WITH OZ...
I asked some questions and he jumped me for 'trolling and told me to get out of the sand box'.
I apologized TWICE for quoting him.
Then I added other points about 'other posts' made by 'other people'.
The point is...why is a company wrong for checking the purchase date and other 'terms of service' on your Mod before taking it in for repair? I'd imagine ProVape does it as well if it's obviously one of the models that has been out in the wild more than 12 months. Perhaps it's more invisible to the end consumer (a serial number or something similar linked to their data base). If they don't...then it's important to note they aren't putting in a LiPo battery pack (a pretty expensive and time consuming process)
I agree that quoting Oz was a mistake...I was still too wrapped up in defending my 'pet vendor' as you put it, but someone made false statements about the reasons for Evolv verifying purchase dates on products he warranted.
Why is it 'trolling' to try to set that record straight...
Your correcting my sarcastic rant about the price of end caps, etc...is 'setting the record straight'.
I'm fine with that...
Calling people trolls and accusing them of picking fights...etc.
All Double standards......
If you put a DNA chip-set in a MOD chassis as good as the ProVari, would it stand the test of time as the ProVari obviously has?
We don't know the answer yet...
I'm done with this thread.
Let it die please folks (comments directed to my posts that is...continue on with the rest), and I will do the same.
If you have a personal gripe with it, please PM me instead.
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...and the Mechanical Master Race joins the thread! Lording it over us peons with our regulated mods.
I respect mechanical mods. They are ideal for the hobbiest vaper, one who enjoys making his or her own coils, etc., etc.
I just want to throw a tank on my mod and have it work every time. I don't want to tear it all apart and clean it once a week. I don't want to sand it, I don't want to use a voltmeter to check everything before I use it and I don't want it to blow up in my hand.
With all that being said, I would probably trade my ProVari for a Green Envy iHybrid. (I would buy another one though).
Edit: I leave my settings alone for months at a time. Heh.
More often than not I am using some type of tank system... Lately a protank with a 1.2 ohm micro coil on cotton. On a $1 flashlight turned into a mechanical with a 510-ego connector and a washer. Its only when sitting at home or special occasions do I bust out the sub-ohm cloud machines.
Sanding only increases performance. It would also increase performance in any device. I'm just saying with the sanded bit that it makes a bigger difference than a copper vs aluminum tube (regarding does the mod matter).
Anything you can use on your provari you can use on your mech mod. There is no statement that you must use a sub-ohm dripper on your mechanical mod. Nothing wrong with a stock protank head at 1.8 or 2.4 ohms... Or a CE4+v2 or a vision eternity or hell a 510-t....
My mechanical is not going to blow up in my hand.
- I use quality Panasonic high drain IMR batteries. They tend not to explode.
- If a short does happen and the button gets held down the only thing thats gonna happen is one of my 2 'hot-springs' will melt and break contact. (I have had this happen and intentionally tested it.)
- If you are really paranoid you can add another safety fuse.
Mechanical mods also provide a much lower profile for equivalent cell size... My entire device is barely longer or wider than an 18650 cell, just as much as necessary for a connector, spring and switch. I just don't understand why anyone would spend $150 for a device that is bigger and less powerful... (Really 3.5 amp limit.... :-() Especially considering you can build a solid mech mod for ~$5.00
Honestly even the puck beats 90% of the mods out there in performance. 4xAA nimh = 4.8 volts. About as safe as it comes (for people that claim provari/other use in the name of safety...) The safest li-ion is not to use a li-ion. Can easily handle 5-10 amp draws.
I can respect the people who drive corvettes too... But if they claim it is an efficient means of getting to and from work I'm gonna call up the B.S. flag in a hurry.
I'm not arguing a thing about Mechanicals, I don't understand them. You are talking to a mechanical idiot. I'm TRYING to learn about how to rebuild RBA myself, but aren't there yet (haven't actually tried it myself). Not to say that down the road I won't get fascinated by it, but the fact that the Provari is idiot proof, I can buy it right now, with explanations about safety features I know nothing about is why I like it. Not that I might not like something else, but that I won't know if I would because they don't spell out for idiots like me what they do for my safety and how easy they are to use. Provari does, and does it in a way I can understand. What's not to love about that
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Because you came seeking knowledge...and left with a headache.
But hey, you got to learn more about the Darwin mod than you ever wanted to know.
But hey, you got to learn more about the Darwin mod than you ever wanted to know.
Ha! You beat me to it! I have heard rumors about Evolv as well, and there was this snippet: http://.........blogspot.com/2013/11/the-dna30-my-talk-with-brandon-from.html
Because you came seeking knowledge...and left with a headache.
But hey, you got to learn more about the Darwin mod than you ever wanted to know.
Ummm no. I didn't come for knowledge and had no idea it was going to turn into a long drawn out boring all about The Darwin thread.....justifications by it's owners I've already read before. I stupidly kept reading thinking it would get back to whether the mod really matters.
Ummm no. I didn't come for knowledge and had no idea it was going to turn into a long drawn out boring all about The Darwin thread.....justifications by it's owners I've already read before. I stupidly kept reading thinking it would get back to whether the mod really matters.
You'd think in 7 pages that there would be at least 1 single post about the topic. No actual tests, nothing.
Because you came seeking knowledge...and left with a headache.
But hey, you got to learn more about the Darwin mod than you ever wanted to know.
I said I'd let it die if you all would. Apparently what you are doing [snarky comments] is 'KNOWLEDGE', qualified testimonies, PV experience, references, or positive contributions. GOOD FOR YOU!
My contribution and testimonies were not so much about the 'Darwin' as it was a personal testimony to debunk the following RUMORS about the COMPANY Evolv, and its commitment to service, honoring its warranties, and customer service.
Thrasher offered FALSE RUMORS. First about the Darwin service and reasons for a temporary cease in production, then more yet about the Kick products. He rather bluntly said the company 'blows off customers', but has no further testimony or valid knowledge to prove this, or enlighten us about the 'generic blow off' of a 'mod part'.
If you've an Evolv part that is DEFECTIVE, you have NOTHING to worry about. It will be fixed or replaced.
I offered a PERSONAL testimony and intimate knowledge. That my experience was Darwin BATTERY centered is secondary to importance of the argument.
Sorry if it hurts your head.
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Ummm no. I didn't come for knowledge and had no idea it was going to turn into a long drawn out boring all about The Darwin thread.....justifications by it's owners I've already read before. I stupidly kept reading thinking it would get back to whether the mod really matters.
That's not what it was about.
It was about company customer service and warranties.
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Hi Credo
Nice to meet you. I appreciate you standing up for a product you like and a vendor you respect, but have you forgotten where you are? While your points are valid and expressed articulately, you have to admit they are rather moot in a ProVari enthusiasts forum.
I also wouldn't worry about anything that was said damaging Evolv's reputation. If someone was interested in buying an Evolv product, I would hope they would look for positive and negative comments to consider while making their decision. I, for one, am suspect when I read only glowing comments about anything - including, for example, the ProVari and the Reo. If a person were to decide not to buy a product based on a couple of negative opinions posted in the forum of an unrelated device, I would question their critical thinking skills.
Now that I hope you are oriented, we can proceed along the topics we usually derail to. How do you bling your Darwin? Do you like bacon tacos?
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The closest I've come to 'blinging' any MOD was using an Empire Drip Shield. More for function over bling.
I've not tried a Bacon Tacos liquid in it yet...I lean towards the fruity and exotic tobaccoish flavors in a KayFun Clone here lately.
My KayFun rigged with a Micro Coil and cotton at around 2 Ohms tastes and vapes really well on all of my mods and batteries. I'm a low wattage pacifier style chain vaper as opposed to a hot and amp hungry lung hitter type. Even at 2 Ohms and 5 watts, I'm amazed that there is no vape lag with a KayFun style tank. These things are sweet to me...but lawd are they 'heavy'.
I once took the ProVari taste test, but used the same tank.
The vape was the same for me across various mods and batteries; however, I was VERY IMPRESSED by the total package experience of the ProVari.
I'd already purchased a straight ProVape 3.7v regulated mod for a friend way back in 2011. She LOVES the thing and still sips on it to this day. My favorite part about the whole ProVape gift, was that for some reason the GF had a question and called ProVape. Who ever answered her call must have blown her mind in a good way because she giggled, laughed, and had a kind of giddy after sex like glow for HOURS after the call. Now this woman is like Oscar the grouch most of the time. Very few things make her glow like that...so I was IMPRESSED. Wish the heck I knew what the guy or gal on the other end of that phone said to her! I'd bottle it up and become a billionare overnight
I came close to pulling the trigger on a ProVari myself in that time period of shopping, when I came across a very rare opportunity (at the time) to get my hands on "The Mod That Shall Not Be Named", so got that instead.
I'd still intended to eventually order a ProVari to do more taste tests in the leisure of my living room, but found I didn't really need anything else...until here recently.
Back to the bling....
A second time I nearly pulled the trigger on a ProVari to tide me over until "He who shall not be named" goes official with what I should do about recharging "The Mod That Shall Not Be Named". At least, this is what got me back on ECF and shopping again.
I got lulled in by the Bling Factor of a Saber Touch Kicked. Mostly because it fits my budget better for this year's Holiday season (if only mod makers took Amazon gift cards LOL), but also because it will be something RADICALLY DIFFERENT from the drab appearance and stiffer button of "The Mod That Shall Not Be Named" (Finally a Living Room only setup for me that won't get beat to heck in gulf climates). I'm also drawn in by Sir_Lawrence as a person here in the Vaping community, and hope he gets well soon (heart issues).
So for now...my personal ProVari test bed shall be delayed for another few months...maybe next time
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I'm so sorry, bacon taco liquid sounds dreadful to me. I was referring to the kind one eats.
I hadn't heard about Sir Lawrence, I hope he's better soon. I saw an interview with him on Mod Envy a couple of months back and the show talks him up every week, since Vapor Moon is one of the sponsors.
I hadn't heard about Sir Lawrence, I hope he's better soon. I saw an interview with him on Mod Envy a couple of months back and the show talks him up every week, since Vapor Moon is one of the sponsors.
I'm so sorry, bacon taco liquid sounds dreadful to me. I was referring to the kind one eats.
That looks delish.......
I'd eat a sandwich like that in a heart-beat
I gather it's been an on-going concern the past month or so. His wife offered some information in the main Saber thread if you'd like to check it out.
You need to keep track of who you have responded to. Our conversation in this thread was civil until your post above. The headache inducement was caused by your verbal sparring with other members in this thread, and those member's comments.
The only "snark" I have added to this thread was in response to someone talking about mechanical mods and to point out someone obviously trolling (and that someone was not you).
I'm sorry if you took my attempt at humor as a personal attack. My comment that you quoted was not directed at you, and I did not attack the Darwin other than to point out that it was practically extinct, and since it is no longer in production, my statement was entirely accurate. Look at my comments in this thread. I have been just as critical of the ProVari.
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Sorry...misunderstanding, what jumped out at me was:
"But hey, you got to learn more about the Darwin mod than you ever wanted to know.
"I see the double spacing more clearly now
Since I mentioned that the most as part of my testimony...I assumed......
As for 'thread' civility, I've been called a troll, told to adjust my nic/caffeen, instructed to do something constructive with my time, and to go play in another sand-box. So yeah, civil...
I'll heed your advice and try to do a better quoting practices in the future.
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This is true of pretty much any product containing electronics, if it lasts a month it will last a couple of years.
If you want to do a profitable test, every time someone asks if you want to buy an extended warranty on household appliances decline and put the money in a savings account and use it to replace or repair anything that fails within the extended warranty period.
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