Does vaping 0mg nicotine liquid still harm the immune system?

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Many of you have read the recent research about vaping having a negative effect on the immune system I'm sure.

I currently have a major health issue that is requiring me to give up anything that may harm my immune system, such as alcohol. I can't find any information as if any of these studies were done using 0mg nicotine liquid. Should I stop vaping entirely or will switching over to 0mg liquid be sufficient?
 

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    Took a look at the study you provided. Massive red flag at first *even without vetting sources of funding and history of the researchers at hand responsible for the publishing: "Furthermore, the e-cigarette users showed a greater suppression of genes common with those changed in cigarette smokers."

    It doesn't list the methodology of how these people were vaping, what they were vaping, etc.., only that they were taking 200 +or- 178 puffs per day for 3-4 weeks? Sounds odd to me the margin of difference can vary so much.

    Next: "Differential expression was determined between groups using an analysis of covariance (ANCOVA) controlling for age, race, sex, and body mass index", okay, they claim this portion with respect to RNA analysis using "nCounter Human Immunology v2 Expression", I couldn't find details on how this method really worked, seems proprietary on some level. Regardless, using nasal biopsies seems odd in a cross sectional study where baseline was never established.

    I could get lost in their methodology and start repeating a ton of their finding numbers. I just don't get what their trying to say in totality aside from "gene expression tho". I mean I understand the gist, but as to what sort of impact this has if this study is to be taken seriously; I am at a loss for.

    But the MOST pressing thing, for a person who cares about his health and especially immune system, the MAIN factor in this regard is diet. What you eat will have a massive impact (unlike this nasal cavity nonsense of sorts, with no basline measurements). If you're worried about your immune system, look into converting your entire diet into a plant-based wholefoods diet. Dropping hormone cocktails like the milk of another species will help massively with the immune system disturbance as well as incompatible protein ingestion that occurs with animal meat especially.

    If this study wanted to prove something with immunology with respect to vaping, it wouldn't have been a few weeks spanning study. It should have been a year long ordeal until each person came in contact with similar influenza yearly strain for instance, and then measured recovery times (ON TOP of weekly measurements from baseline of anti-body pathway observations, not simply gene expressions that is as of yet an evolving and new science).

    The fact that one would assume two predominant chemicals in vaping liquid can contribute to a weaker immune system is ridiculous when compared to the (STILL AS OF YET TO BE REVEALED) full formula of artificial additives in cigarettes with thousands of other unknown compounds is ridiculous. The wreck they cause to your immune system in totality (if not for dry dust particulate in your lungs alone) is far worse than two vaporized substances.
     

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    I'm not thrilled by that research either, but if you have concerns, best to talk to your doc about it. You could print out the study for him to read and give an opinion on its methodology, too, I guess.

    Best of luck, and hope you are able to get it sorted out.

    I've caught a cold while vaping and it just went away quickly and I did NOT get pneumonia, which was the first time in a long while for me. Perhaps my immune system is compromised, but I can guarantee that vaping seems to be better for the immune system than smoking, the past 18 months before quitting I pretty much had pneumonia and other problems non-stop.

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    @stols001

    I’ve been been away quite a while so the next bit is sort of hazey in my mind, but as for the cessation of your pneumonia symptoms. There was instances of research that I recall that -at last PG if I recall correctly- coats the lungs for a little while with a protective layer inhibiting the inflammatory response as well as bacterial/viral growth. The recollection of. I’ll need to find the research again to be sure.

    Also, I think people were vaping 50/50 using mouth-to-lung quantities. Blasting 100+ watt hits day in and day out though sounds a bit extreme to me if you’re one of those people who don’t put their vape down on a table for a while.
     
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    I am sensitive to a lot of inhaled PG, I use VG with 10% distilled water. Yes I MTL, however, and didn't enjoy my brief time DL.

    But I genuinely think it had more to do with stopping 3 ppd smoking than any antimicrobial action honestly. It's really hard not to develop a bronchial illness after a cold or flu when you smoke 3 ppd, and really hard to make the pneumonia GO AWAY even. After a few rounds of the MOST toxic ABX and steroids (which I HATE) I finally gave up as ppl started to mention that I would develop COPD.

    My immune system seems to be working just fine now that I'm not smoking a cigarette every twenty minutes. I do credit vaping-- BUT ONLY because it enabled me to QUIT.

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    I am SO happy about it. I just cleaned and unpacked mostly my entire house (well, except for the master bedroom which awaits) and I have tons of energy, it was easy, I could use bleach (yeah, I know it's bad for you, I still like bleaching my bathrooms).

    3 pp/d was.... Well, I'm like a rat with a pellet with those cancer sticks, I'm convinced that as additives and nicotine increased, I went from a sort of normal smoking habit to.... That. It was awful, and I cannot THANK vaping and ECF ENOUGH.

    I just had the best doc appointment, and for the first time in years, my doc did not predict (in an unpleasant, very detailed fashion) the date and manner of my DEATH, LOL.

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    I'm not thrilled by that research either, but if you have concerns, best to talk to your doc about it. You could print out the study for him to read and give an opinion on its methodology, too, I guess.....

    Anna

    I haven't posted in a long time. But I will chime in a bit here.
    I work in clinical research and review numerous studies and sites every week. Also, I audit Drs. offices that do research.
    Most Drs know absolutely nothing about research and methodology. Even those who conduct the research for the pharmaceutical companies might know the protocol (the how-to of the research) but they have no idea about the logic or reasons behind the methodology. So, as to whether or not the research is valid, the huge majority of Drs. wouldn't have the slightest idea.
    Unfortunately, most of them are too proud to admit it.

    By the way, I'm so glad your immune system has recovered and you have quit. What a magnificent accomplishment. !!!
     
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    doubtful that nicotine itself is contributing to any immune effects due to vaping.

    the vaporized juice itself is depositing matter which your normal lung epithelium is not exposed to.. "weaken the immune system" is somewhat naive to say this early since little research has been done. vapor could be activating the immune system locally as the immune system is important for mucous/debris clearance in your lung. conversely it could be harming local immune cells. as to whether vaping can impact your lungs resistance to bacteria/virus? we probably wont know for some time. I suspect vaping has a rather mild effect for most people..

    biologist by training
     
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