Don't want to waste money- know what I want, just not what I should buy..

[Bobby Martin]

Hi, community. Been here many times over the past few weeks since I started e-cigs, great wealth of knowledge here.

For now, I definitely don't care to venture into anything diy, or refill oriented. I'm currently on my first venture with e-cigs, and love the convienence of the blu cig (both design and size), but hate the burned cartomizer issue and low number of drags before the vapor production decreases or burns throat. So, here's what I want:

Must...
1. Be a 2-piece (pre-filled cartomizer) design
2. NOT FREQUENTLY BURN OUT (talking within 4-8 hours of starting a new cartridge)
3. Produce vapor for a decent amount of time
4. Would prefer prefilled with american produced juice, for safety reasons
5. (not mandatory, but) I like the 403 size, so would prefer something smaller than the old "pen style", .. maybe a 510?

Issues I don't care about:
1. Battery life (assuming their rechargable!)
2. Price (it's all cheaper than cigarettes)

So, if you care to, I'd appreciate a "blu alternative". The worst part is the burning internals... gross...

 

[dormouse]

What not frequently burn out? if you mean battery then you need to skip slim models and get a fat battery model or mod (which come as 3-piece or with nothing, not with cartomizers - you will be using blank cartos). If you mean cartomizer and you cannot keep it damp yourself, then you need a carto tank.

Nope - not really any prefilled that will last as long as you want

Nope - No idea what a 403 is. - you mean M403 - sorry you are in dreaming - absolutely not in any way what you are asking for (teensy juice cup recessed down inside the mouthpiece, no cartomizers, miniscule battery life). 510 is a slightly better 1.8 hour battery charge - is that what you want? it would not look right with a huge carto tank.

Cheaper than cigarettes... not in the beginning when you are buying equipment and spares and supplies and trying lot of juices to find your favorites. Later yes if you keep your cartos damp. If you use only prefilled cartos (which do not last as long as a pack - more like 10 cigs) and you do not keep them damp, then it will not be cheaper than cigarettes. I can get 7-10 days use out of a carto if I keep it damp. If you don't keep it damp you may get 10 cigs worth of drags if it was well prefilled.

You need to adjust your expectations. To have long battery life and a carto that doesn't need juice for 4-8 hours then you need a fat 14mm+ diameter model and a 3ml carto tank.

If you instead want slim with prefilled cartos then I recommend V4L.com manuals in the standard (not short or xl) batteries that state a 10+ second cutoff or the 5-second cutoff 78mm manuals from SmokelessImage Volt (either make 120mm ecig) and cartos from from V4L, SmokelessImage, Bloogplanet, Halocigs G6 and buy chargers for work and home, a PCC for when out, and keep the cartos damp yourself much more often than every 4-8 hours.

 

[Lex0r]

I am not very familiar with Blu, or with pre-filled cartos, but if you get a 510 system, many people like to use the Boge cartos. One advantage of empty cartos is that you can try out some sample juices from different companies, and refill them throughout the day. Personally, I use a 510 Tank system and don't like the cartos much because I get a much better draw (much more vapor) with the tank+atty. Best of luck.

 

[thehangdude]

You should really check out SmokeStik.

Here is their sub-forum. SmokeStik

Their batteries are sleek, and their pre-filled cartos are awesome. They last a good while, and taste very good. The batteries are 4081 sized. You can get empty cartos at Joogler Juice or Good Prophets, if you want to fill your own someday.

 

[Hottody]

Filling your cartos will save you money and help prevent the burn taste because you can add a liitle juice to keep the carto fresh! If you wait until the carto tastes burnt it's too late! That is why a tank system really helps keep your carto wet so this may work for you if you consider getting a larger system like an ego or battery mod! A tank also prolongs the life of your carto, so you can use is for over a week! I also recommend Boge cartos. Their are some clear cartos available that will help you see how much juice you have left. I just ordered some mega clear ego type that hold 100 drops of liquid. Also bought some Smokech clear cartos that hold about 60 drops from Vaporbeast.com. Madvapes.com has unreadable good tasting inexpensive American juice!!!

 

[TonyTT]

Get a provari (provape.com)

Get a tank system (ElectronicStix.Com Your Premier Vaping Vendor Since 2008)

Get some pre-punched cartos (BLANK BOGE 2.0 OHM LOW RESISTANCE 510 CARTOMIZERS (STAINLESS))

Get sum Black Mamba (Black Mamba E-Liquid Refill)

Just a suggestion

To be fair, none of this really is a blu alternative. The vaper you are now, will not be the vapor you will be in a month. Eventually most people get tired of changing out analog sized batteries every hour or so. Plus vapour production is kinda weak on smaller batteries, or it pitters off quickly after the first drags fresh off of the charger. The best way to save money, is to step up to the "bigger" leagues. It just involves a different sort of priorities. A lot of vapers start to look for qualities such as:

Increased battery life (more then 180 mah, 1100 is a good spot)
Warmer vape (higher voltage, or lower resistance, requiring more battery power)
Less time between re-filling juice feeder method

Essentially the goal is to have a device that provides a long-lasting reliable experience, that matches your day-to-day pace. The less you have to think about it, the better right?

Hmmm at the very least, I suggest you look-up how to re-fill your cartos (it's super easy), and start buying juice by the bottle (30ml), and packages of empty cartomizers. If you continue to buy pre-filled, it will end up costing you a lot more.

One carto holds about 1ml of liquid and last about an hour, and the flavour pitters off. So you buy a pre-filled one, which probably isn't even filled to capacity, and if you toss it, it is such a waste.

you can re-use a carto for a week or more. And 30ml of juice will run you around 15 bucks.

 

[Goldenkobold]

G6 Basic Starter Kit - G6 E-Cig

 

[dormouse]

G6 is the same thing as the SmokelessImage Volt I recommend (which is probably less expensive)

I do not recommend really Smokstik - Rn4081 is a second tier model with little available for it compared to 510 and KR808D-1 threading.

BTW if your login is your real name and you don't want it to be, see the Sticky Thread in the top 1/2 of New Members section called "It used My real name"

Some basic info

Most here use and recommend manual batteries - harder to kill with juice leaks, easier to get a good drag/hit

100mah of battery charge is about 1 hour of moderate vaping with standard resistance (standard ohms, abut 2.5 to 3ohm single coils) atomizer or cartomizer

Slim ecigs can only use standard resistance attachments
Fat models and mod 450mah+ can use standard or the hotter LR (low resistance, lower ohms) atomizers aka attys and cartomizers aka cartos

Joye 510 - 180mah

Joye 510 mega xl - 280mah (and about 128mm long w/ a carto)

Standard aka 78mm size KR808D-1 - 280mah (320mah for the rubberized models like Volt) and about 120mm long w/ a carto

Fat battery models and mods (most are 510-threaded, some 901/808 threaded) - 650mah to 1100mah

 

[Goldenkobold]

Yes mouse,
Same battery last time I checked smokeless isn't using usa juice which was another of his checklist of things he wanted.

1. Be a 2-piece (pre-filled cartomizer) design.
There are a few of these bloog, halo, smokelessimage there are a few 510 sources for prefills like here but they are not as common

2. NOT FREQUENTLY BURN OUT (talking within 4-8 hours of starting a new cartridge)
This is going to be dependent on how much you actually vape but the kr808 cartidges last as long as any other prefilled.

3. Produce vapor for a decent amount of time.

Again given the size constraint give in 5 and the prefilled given in 1 that pretty much leaves the kr808's

4. Would prefer prefilled with american produced juice, for safety reasons
and that leaves Halo

5. (not mandatory, but) I like the 403 size, so would prefer something smaller than the old "pen style", .. maybe a 510?

the halo mini is the same size as a 510 with a boge cartomizer (roughly)

 

[dormouse]

The Vaporkings 510 prefills are Chinese juice.

 

[Goldenkobold]

Yes that is why I ultimately recommended Halo ........

 

[Bobby Martin]

Wow, didn't expect all the love. Thanks for schooling me. I got some more pondering to do...

 

[Lady J]

I started with the Halo G6. I enjoyed it. I recently met the supernice guys from Elite Vaporworks. They have an 808 kit with sealed automatic batteries, if you're okay with black batts. My understanding is that the batts are the same as Halo's. 78mm lasted a decentish time for me. They make their own liquids (the blueberry cream is to die for) and provide prefilled cartos. Also, free shipping on all orders. (I feel like a walking advertisement lol.)

 

[dearme]

Yes, your expectations are unrealistic. However, one thing to consider is that the pics on the websites look much larger than they really are. The smallest ecig that will do most of what you want is the Ego, Riva, Kgo, ePower, and similar models. They are all about the size of a sharpie.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Hey Bobby, got my vari volt yesterday, gotta say it's great.
A Provari may not be on your radar at all yet, but for my first PV I wanted to

1. Skip all the first learning steps, with lesser equipment(costly, unfulfilling)
2. Get a unit that would keep me away from smokes immediately.
3. Good guarantee.
4. Everything out there can basically fit it.(if need be)
5. Versatile and adaptable.

You do have diff. requirements than me, so feel free to take it or leave it.

I have to agree with Tonythetiger, do yourself a favor, move up to a Provari!
Or at least something with variable voltage you can still use pre-filleds on. mo.
Diff. liquids seem to like diff. voltages.

No regrets, no lookin' back.

I hope you find what "does it" for you!

Cheers Hitme.

 

[Bobby Martin]

Lady J- don't know how to send an IM, so got a few questions about elite vaporworks (already talked with Jayson via email)..

1. Out of curiosity- they're size looks maybe just slightly bigger than a traditional cig- that right?
2. Are the prefilled carto's something easy to top off, or need to be? (I'm brand new- don't know a thing about topping off)

Thanks for your input. These seem like maybe a better built blu, with the ability to add your own juice. Pretty cool.

 

[Bobby Martin]

I started with the Halo G6. I enjoyed it. I recently met the supernice guys from Elite Vaporworks. They have an 808 kit with sealed automatic batteries, if you're okay with black batts. My understanding is that the batts are the same as Halo's. 78mm lasted a decentish time for me. They make their own liquids (the blueberry cream is to die for) and provide prefilled cartos. Also, free shipping on all orders. (I feel like a walking advertisement lol.)

Lady J- don't know how to send an IM, so got a few questions about elite vaporworks (already talked with Jayson via email)..

1. Out of curiosity- they're size looks maybe just slightly bigger than a traditional cig- that right?
2. Are the prefilled carto's something easy to top off, or need to be? (I'm brand new- don't know a thing about topping off)

Thanks for your input. These seem like maybe a better built blu, with the ability to add your own juice. Pretty cool.

 

[Lady J]

The 78mm batteries are slightly bigger than a traditional cigarette. With a carto, they're about 1/2 an inch or so longer than a Marlboro 100, and a touch bigger around. They are a bit heavier as well. I haven't used cartos from Elite Vaporworks yet, but I've used a few different 808 cartos and haven't had difficulty topping them off. Even the blanks are pretty easy to fill, once you figure out how to do that. Lots of advice in these forums for that one.

Now, I am actually using an eGo-T setup, and sometimes I use the eGo batteries with an atty/drip tip or with a cartomizer. I still use the 808 occasionally, but not very often. I also use a SmokeStik. If you are wanting something "similar" to a cigarette, and/or are happy-ish with the Blu but want something a bit "better," I'd suggest an 808. It's possible, though, that at some point you will be not so satisfied and will want something more than that. I won't push an eGo or anything at you, but I will suggest keeping it in mind. And then you will see fancy and not-so-fancy mods, and you'll get big eyes and possible drooling...

caveat: I am still a relative noob. Take this all with a grain of salt.

Lady J- don't know how to send an IM, so got a few questions about elite vaporworks (already talked with Jayson via email)..

1. Out of curiosity- they're size looks maybe just slightly bigger than a traditional cig- that right?
2. Are the prefilled carto's something easy to top off, or need to be? (I'm brand new- don't know a thing about topping off)

Thanks for your input. These seem like maybe a better built blu, with the ability to add your own juice. Pretty cool.

 

[deach]

it's pretty easy to fill the cartos. You'll save at least "some" money (depending on where you get the juice and what kind). I personally like doing it because you can actually "fill" the carto instead of getting the usual "not full" ones from the suppliers. I even refill the blu cartos and use them on my various devices.

 

[whodey365]

Awesome!! That's almost my exact setup I purchased over the weekend except I went with standard resistance cartos for 5v vaping and I haven't tried pinkspot yet but its next on my list.

Get a provari (provape.com)

Get a tank system (ElectronicStix.Com Your Premier Vaping Vendor Since 2008)

Get some pre-punched cartos (BLANK BOGE 2.0 OHM LOW RESISTANCE 510 CARTOMIZERS (STAINLESS))

Get sum Black Mamba (Black Mamba E-Liquid Refill)

Just a suggestion