Double/Triple the Nicotine

[jonjay]

Ever since beginning vaping, I have come to conclude I have infact tripled my daily nicotine intake.

Anybody have experience, thoughts information on this?

Am I out of my mind or is this seemingly normal? I went from 14mg (pack/ per day) To anywhere from 32 - 40mg per day

Please advise!

And how bad is this? Lol

 

[kiwivap]

Hi jonjay, You probably haven't actually increased your intake because less nicotine is absorbed from vaping than smoking.

ETA: on the other hand, you can make yourself nic sick vaping too much higher nic in one go. If that's the case, cut down your nic level in your juice.

 

[LucentShadow]

I've never found any seemingly reliable info on how much nic we get from a cig. Seems like it's 1-2mg, from what I've seen, though. If that's the case, you may not be too far off.

Anyway, that seems like a fairly typical amount for a vaper, to me. I'm at around 36mg/day, most days.

There are many that I've seen around here that are much higher than that, though I wouldn't encourage that.

I keep lower nicotine mixes (9-12mg/ml) around for when I feel like chain-vaping. That's one way you can keep the nic down to a reasonable level. Most of the day, I vape 18mg/ml for maybe 10 min. per hour or so.

 

[Xanth]

New vapers tend to vape non stop because of its novelty. After a couple of weeks, you'll only vape when you need to.

Moreover, no one is sure how much nicotine is delivered through vaping, or does it even deliver any at all.

 

[kiwivap]

There have been some studies that measured nicotine intake compared to vapers. One was quite a while ago and there was no measurable nic level in the vapers. But I did see another more recent one which showed nic levels after vaping. Sorry I don't have the links to those at hand.

 

[tidegirl]

After a couple of weeks, you'll only vape when you need to.

10 months in and I'm still waiting for that to happen.

 

[kiwivap]

Ah, I do have a couple of links.

This one was from 2010 - and the results are not surprising given the ecigs used - e.g. Hydro.
A Clinical Laboratory Model for Evaluating the Acute Effects of Electronic “Cigarettes”: Nicotine Delivery Profile and Cardiovascular and Subjective Effects

What I take from this is what has been shown more recently - that the device plays a part, and the stronger hitting devices deliver nicotine more effectively it seems.

This more recent study found that the device played a part, and measured nic levels. Just have the abstract for this one:
Electronic Cigarettes: Effective Nicotine Delivery After Acute Administration

From that study:
"Two studies with EC-naïve participants suggest that ECs deliver little or no nicotine. In those studies, standard-sized ECs were used, though experienced EC users often use larger devices that house higher voltage and/or longer lasting batteries."

And in conclusion, "User experience and/or device characteristics likely influence EC nicotine delivery and other effects. Systematic manipulation of these and other variables could elucidate conditions that produce intended effects."

 

[Tinaphps]

This is exactly what I want to know .

 

[zuzette]

Given the trouble I have had getting completely off cigarettes it does not surprise me that e cigs are not as efficient in delivering nic. that ok though, if one looks at it from that angle I have most likely lowered my nic intake over all. AND - though I am not off cigs entirely, I have cut way back . In july I was a 2ppd smoker. Last friday I bought 2 packs and still have 6 of those today!

 

[haiqu]

The studies showing low nicotine delivery are erroneous. They usually don't take into account the fact that absorption through the mouth - and without the addition of the other ingredients in tobacco that make it instantly enter the blood stream - takes much longer.

There is a tendency to vape too much at first because of this.

 

[Dauyd]

There is a seeming discrepancy in these discussions that I've never been able to understand.

On one hand, whenever this question comes up, people claim studies that show we don't actually get much of the nicotene.

On the other hand, whenever 2nd hand vaping comes up, everybody cites studies that claim there is undetectable levels of nicotene in what we exhale.

So where does that nicotene go? It seems to me that one story or the other (or both) must be wrong.

 

[Baldr]

Moreover, no one is sure how much nicotine is delivered through vaping, or does it even deliver any at all.

I started vaping at 24mg, and couldn't get off the cigs because I wasn't getting enough nic. I got some 30mg juice, and was easily able to quit smoking right away. Any claims that vaping doesn't deliver nicotine are obvious nonsense.

Over the past year, I gradually cut down on the nic level. Recently I had dropped to 6, and now I'm vaping 0mg juice - no nic. And I'm feeling it. It's not bad, nothing like it was when I used to smoke and woudl try to quit, but I definetly feel the craving. Why is that? Because I'm no longer getting the nic.

And when I was vaping 12mg as my norm, I remember once dripping some of the 30mg that I started wtih. I got a nicotine rush, something I hadn't had in ages.

I don't see how anyone with any actual experience vaping can claim that no nicotine is being absorbed.

 

[kiwivap]

The studies showing low nicotine delivery are erroneous. They usually don't take into account the fact that absorption through the mouth - and without the addition of the other ingredients in tobacco that make it instantly enter the blood stream - takes much longer.

There is a tendency to vape too much at first because of this.

Regardless of how it is absorbed if the study measures plasma levels it will be measuring the nicotine absorption.

 

[kiwivap]

There is a seeming discrepancy in these discussions that I've never been able to understand.

On one hand, whenever this question comes up, people claim studies that show we don't actually get much of the nicotene.

On the other hand, whenever 2nd hand vaping comes up, everybody cites studies that claim there is undetectable levels of nicotene in what we exhale.

So where does that nicotene go? It seems to me that one story or the other (or both) must be wrong.

With the devices out now it's been show more nicotine is absorbed.

 

[kiwivap]

I started vaping at 24mg, and couldn't get off the cigs because I wasn't getting enough nic. I got some 30mg juice, and was easily able to quit smoking right away. Any claims that vaping doesn't deliver nicotine are obvious nonsense.

Over the past year, I gradually cut down on the nic level. Recently I had dropped to 6, and now I'm vaping 0mg juice - no nic. And I'm feeling it. It's not bad, nothing like it was when I used to smoke and woudl try to quit, but I definetly feel the craving. Why is that? Because I'm no longer getting the nic.

And when I was vaping 12mg as my norm, I remember once dripping some of the 30mg that I started wtih. I got a nicotine rush, something I hadn't had in ages.

I don't see how anyone with any actual experience vaping can claim that no nicotine is being absorbed.

I don't think anyone should claim no nicotine is absorbed with the devices we have now. Some of the devices in the 2010 study were woefully inadequate though - although one in the study did deliver. For example, the Hydro was found to be inefficient, which doesn't surprise me. That was my first ecig and it's a tiny thing. It's the little white batt on the far left in this pic:



You can see why I found something else rather quickly...

 

[mostapha]

New vapers tend to vape non stop because of its novelty. After a couple of weeks, you'll only vape when you need to.

Yeah………that's not the case with me. I chain-vape like mad. I don't plan on stopping any time soon………if I get to the point that my normal amount of vaping starts giving me mild overdose symptoms, I'll reduce the nic in my juice before I reduce how much I vape………it's just too enjoyable.

Moreover, no one is sure how much nicotine is delivered through vaping, or does it even deliver any at all.

It definitely does. I've made myself sick before with it……right about the time I learned how to make my vivi novas perform. It was so enjoyable that I just kept vaping.

And I was on 24mg/ml juice that day because the vendor I bought from ran out of 18mg, and I went up instead of buying 24 and 12 and mixing them.

But, really……your body will tell you when you've gotten too much nicotine. Just listen to it, and don't keep vaping if it ever makes you feel sick……just lie down on a couch or something until it passes. Though, I would say that if your heart rate ever gets too high (I'd start worrying at around 130 if you're 20something and otherwise relatively healthy) or it doesn't go away in like an hour……go to a hospital and tell them what happened. It'll be expensive, but it's better than actually overdosing.

 

[user808a]

Vaping doesn't have the added ammonia which freebases the nicotine and makes it more readily absorbed(1). On the other hand my body lets me know when I have vaped too much.

(1) The SECRET and SOUL of Marlboro

 

[DC2]

There is a seeming discrepancy in these discussions that I've never been able to understand.

On one hand, whenever this question comes up, people claim studies that show we don't actually get much of the nicotene.

On the other hand, whenever 2nd hand vaping comes up, everybody cites studies that claim there is undetectable levels of nicotene in what we exhale.

So where does that nicotene go? It seems to me that one story or the other (or both) must be wrong.

They are both correct according to this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...312547-nicotine-absorption-contradiction.html

 

[damthisisfun]

I used to hate the taste n smell of analogs - e juice - OMG - i just love it -and plus have a friendly environment at work - allows me to vape at my desk - so I chain vape or at least over-vape - and yes I think I am taking more nico than before cause I feel my heart racing. Drinking more water seems to have helped - but dang - cant put my YJ down - so I decided to lower the nico content of the juice. was vaping 1.8% JC - just got some 1.1% yesterday - hopefully I can continue to enjoy chain vapin and reduce the nico..........

 

[PhreakySTS9]

New vapers tend to vape non stop because of its novelty. After a couple of weeks, you'll only vape when you need to.

Moreover, no one is sure how much nicotine is delivered through vaping, or does it even deliver any at all.

Hah yeah, WOW, I gotta give you props on that. When I first started vaping the first few days I vaped like crazy(made myself sick as a dog a few times, hahaha) and then slowed down to about normal cig rate. After a while I started vaping more and more, and now when i'm home I vape away like a freight train. At work I still only vape every couple hours or so for the most part, but that's because that's all the chances I get more than anything. I have lately been vaping a little less and less as time goes on, but though a VERY conscious effort on trying to as I am trying to slowly lower my nicotine intake. I'm between 6-12mg juices these days and I started at 24.